Tom T. said:Hitchens says it best:
"To be involved in this (Iraq War), frankly, just makes me happy."
Do you, folks, even beware of whom you are quoting? It's appalling.
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Tom T. said:Hitchens says it best:
Jspear said:I'm not attempting to write "unfeeling drivel." I'm sorry you feel that way and I'm sorry that I scare you. I'm a human, I know what it is like to lose people I love...I've felt the "evils" of this world. I don't right as some emotionless human that is living the high life with no issues.
If there is no God, does that help with all the tragedies in this world? Does that make them go away? It doesn't...all it does is make things even more hopeless. I said a two year old is born a sinner, but isn't as responsible because they don't understand yet. I believe that 2 year old will go to heaven because they weren't old enough to make a decision on their own to believe in God...that should give a parent WAY more hope then just, "oh yes they suffered in this life and now they are nothing." How about this..."yes, it was a tragedy what happened to that child - but now he/she is in heaven where everything is perfect, no more pain no more sorrow. Oh and you can be there to...it's a choice you make."
That is real hope.
Humans can't reject God and then go on to blame, ridicule, and mock him for all the evil in the world. It's a sad mindset to have. I look at all the evil in the world and I know that saying or wishing that there is no God won't make the pain go away....all your ranting won't change anything. You could decide to believe in God...it would make a lot more sense out of this world than not believing in him. Christianity gives hope...there is an afterlife free of pain, sorrow, and sin.
What's wrong with that statement?Echoes said:"To be involved in this (Iraq War), frankly, just makes me happy."
Do you, folks, even beware of whom you are quoting? It's appalling.
Jspear said:You're accusations as to what I said are simply wrong. Sorry you feel that way.
Echoes said:"To be involved in this (Iraq War), frankly, just makes me happy."
Do you, folks, even beware of whom you are quoting? It's appalling.
The Hitch said:So I'm not going to burn in hell for eternity with the rapists and murderers because I was born in the wrong family?
Interesting. What is the far right US fundamentalist nutjob position on the afterlife for non Christians then?
Christian said:Did you guys hear about this? Selena Gomez showed some ankle in a mosque in Dubai and has thereby outraged many of her followers on instagram who also follow Mohammed.
Apparently Rihanna had been kicked out of the same mosque for wearing red lipstick and nail polish.
I could care less about these celebrities (though I do find Selena Gomez cute), but it shows to me the double standard in our society when it comes to religion.
In the US, one of the worst things you can say is that a rape victim "had it coming" for "dressing like a sl*t". This spawned the so-called "sl*t walks", where lightly clothed women marched through cities proudly claiming their right to dress whichever way they want.
But even the most "liberal" (in the US sense) people will say, oh well Rihanna she shouldn't have worn that lipstick, she should have been more sensitive - i.e. she had it coming. What the eff?
Can we finally acknowledge the horrible disdain that religion has for women? Can we finally do away with it?
FoxxyBrown1111 said:1+ My friend, you hit the nail.
Those political correct brainwashed folks took us hostage for their experiments of multi-kulti, gendermainstreaming, winner-takes-all society.
Your post just shows the absurdity of their behaving.
Why are they doing that?
1.) Above all is the most dangerous religion of all: The money god. Their upper priests would sell their grandmas for it. So they have no problems to sell western countries to the 2nd most dangerous religion...
2.) ... The islam. A book written by a gangster whose dumb followers kill in his name and rape women for the sake of it.
But there is hope. From Sweden to Spain, brave men and women stand up slowly. They have enough of the islamic intruders that spoil our societies, sold to them by our corrupt leaders (politicans and big business work/ed hand-in-hand) for the money-god.
The 3rd worst religion? Certainly the christs. Cowards trou-and-trou who didn´t stand up against Hitler, not when their churches are burned down in Syria or Kosovo, not when our countries are over-taken by the moslems.
Christian said:Foxxy, I have to say I disagree with many things you say - I don't think followers of Mohammed are dumb, killers or rapists.
Christian said:I tried to criticize a specific aspect of all religions - disdain for women - and in no way meant to judge every follower of islam.
Christian said:I also don't think that Western countries are being sold to islam. I do not consider moslems as intruders in my country, and I do not feel that they spoil our society. I do not feel that moslems are taking over Western countries.
Christian said:I fundamentally disagree with the Pegida movement.
Christian said:I welcome immigration and cultural diversity. I support the party Die Linke and its related movements throughout Europe.
Christian said:I only tried to illustrate what I perceive to be a double-standard: when it comes to religion (all religions), practices that would be considered ridiculous, harmful or barbaric in any other social setting are considered perfectly fine. This is one of the central arguments of Hitchens. Like in this case expelling women from places for dressing "too provocatively". Women have fought for a long time against such stigmas, but when it comes to religion it is considered "tradition", and where tradition starts the thinking stops.
FoxxyBrown1111 said:The book is all about raping their women, killing us disbelievers, the holy war against us, the aim of overtaking the world, that only Allah is to be believed and taken as friend, that christs and other religions are evil, and about women being slaves only.
You will know differently after reading the suras I just posted...
Yes western politicans sell our freedom and democracies for the sake of money. Why else should they let those hateful people in? They know they are dangerous (see ISIS, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, etc.)...
They let them in, to play the card (cheap) foreigners vs (high paid) origin european union workers. The collateral damage (spoiled/un-free societies; attacks)? They don´t care. They are (extremly high paid) puppets of big business. Big busniess would sell their own grandmas for more profits. As I said before: The most dangerous religion of them all...
What did immigration good for you? Honestly: Please tell me. I wanna know why people welcome their own slow "death"...
For me immgration only got bad results: X times beaten by moslems, censored MSM, awful long check-ins at airports (as if we would sucide attack our flights ), my girls being afraid to dress sexy in public, cut freedom, less payment, and so on... There is absolutely nothing good about immigration (from different muslim cultures; poverty "refugees" to be more precise*). Nothing!
* I welcome our friend from all over the world who believe in freedom and share our POVs of fairness and culture...
ray j willings said:Being that the penalty for apostasy in the Koran/quran is death, You have to be one strong person to get off that train. I bet there are sh5tloads of secret atheists.
Christian said:I agree with you that there are many more things wrong with religion, other than its disdain for women. But it is such a broad spectrum (since the holy books cover every aspect of human existence, i.e. Hitchens calling them "totalitarian") that I find it difficult to discuss it in absolute terms. I prefer to discuss one aspect at a time. This story about Selena Gomez caught my eye today, so I brought it up - but this doesn't mean that I think that this is the only thing wrong with religion.
Christian said:I admit that I have not read the Quran
Christian said:But doesn't the Bible also contain many of these very same subjects?
Christian said:I am not sure what you mean by "let them in". Europe is commonly refered to as a "fortress", and judging by the risk that people take to make it to the continent, I'd say the EU is doing its best not to let people in. This is also the purpose of the mercenary force Frontex, which is paid for by EU funds.
Christian said:Following your theory, big business and industry should lobby for extremely lax immigration laws - yet immigration laws and border controls are getting stricter all the time for the Schengen zone.
Christian said:And why do we know that Saudi Arabia is dangerous? Because we know what material they have: we sold it to them. This, to me, is the true crime of big business: we sell massive weaponry to dictators and criminal leaders who oppress their people, exterminate minorities or threaten to attack other countries.
Christian said:Western countries like to showcase the money they spend on development cooperation - what they don't say is that the profits they make from weapon sales are much higher. This is the case for Belgium for example, the same probably counts for France and Germany.
Christian said:My country, Luxembourg, would never have achieved the wealth it has today if it hadn't been for immigrant workers. Italians and Portuguese helped build the country we could never have built by ourselves. Still today our economy could not survive without immigrants.
Christian said:But leaving aside the obvious economic profit, I am someone who enjoys learning about other cultures. It is what you call the multiculti brainwash. It seems to me you perceive immigration as part of a "cultural war" determined to do away with your way of life, or your culture. I do not perceive it this way - I think cultures always change and evolve, and that is in no way a bad thing to me.
OK, I dont wanna write a book, so just some numbers:
Foreigners (mostly un-educated moslems)
Switzerland 23 %
Germany 20 %
England/GB 13%
Sweden 13%
Austria 12 %
FoxxyBrown1111 said:OK, I dont wanna write a book, so just some numbers:
Foreigners (mostly un-educated moslems)
Switzerland 23 %
Germany 20 %
England/GB 13%
Sweden 13%
Austria 12 %
FoxxyBrown1111 said:They are long over with holy wars & all the shit surronding it. They had their reformations. Now they are just toothless tigers who didn´t even had anything going against two of the biggest criminals ever (Stalin & Hitler).
The islam OTOH is the same old barbaric religion it was from day one on. That´s the huge huge difference...
Maaaaaaaarten said:You know pope John Paul II is commonly recognized as having helped the end of the communist rule?
Never heard of the persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union? Churches burned? Millions of Christians suffering in prison camps?
Hugh Januss said:moslems?
Hugh Januss said:I would be interested to hear your thoughts regarding the American Nigro.
Rechtschreibfehler said:Even though I don't think it's of much use to debate you, I don't have to let your misinformation stand unchallanged.
Rechtschreibfehler said:What Foxxy here calls foreigners are people with a brackground in migration. More than half of them are German citizens.
Rechtschreibfehler said:8,7% are foreigners. Of course I guess the other 11% are "Papierdeutsche"(Paper-Germans) to Foxxy so he refuses to count them.
Rechtschreibfehler said:Besides this, we have his claim that most of them are moslems, plus they are uneducated. The problem is: "only" about 5% of the German population are muslims.
Rechtschreibfehler said:So even if we assumed all of them were foreigners in foxxys crude tolerant interpretation, still 15% of those 20% are not.
Rechtschreibfehler said:you are intentionally lying in order to propagade your xenophobic bull****.
Rechtschreibfehler said:And don't start cherry picking statistics now to get out of this, I am using the very same data that says that 20% of the population have a background in migration.
Maaaaaaaarten said:Wtf are you talking about man? Never heard of the Bekennende Kirche? Dietrich Bonhoeffer ring a bell? Never heard of the persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union? Churches burned? Millions of Christians suffering in prison camps? You know pope John Paul II is commonly recognized as having helped the end of the communist rule?
Maaaaaaaarten said:I'm not naive and I know full well there are dangerous tendencies in the Islam which might see the light in Europe if the Muslims ever become the majority here
Maaaaaaaarten said:but your xenophobic and demagogic nonsense is just as dangerous.
Maaaaaaaarten said:If anything, you're the coward here, motivated by fear; instead of tackling any real problems you just generalize and insult large groups of society.
The Hitch said:I find it disturbing that you mention churches being burnt on the same level as millions of deaths.
But anyway why do you only focus on the suffering of Christians. People of all backgrounds and cosmological opinions died in the ussr. what point are you trying to make? Christians died in some human tragedies therefore that excuses the 2 thousand year terror that has been waged in it's name?
FoxxyBrown1111 said:What are you trying to say? That Stalin was a mass murderer? I said that already. But what the heck has that to do with my post you quoted?
FoxxyBrown1111 said:Where have I been xenophobic and demagogic? Rhetorical question... You and I know I wasn´t... Waiting for your apology...
How am I the coward? If all, I have the courage to say the truth behind the islam. Who else did it here? Who? Everybody is feared to death to say anything bad about this dangerous religion...
Thus: Waiting for an apology for your personal attack calling me a coward.
Maaaaaaaarten said: