Research on Belief in God

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Jspear said:
I'm not attempting to write "unfeeling drivel." I'm sorry you feel that way and I'm sorry that I scare you. I'm a human, I know what it is like to lose people I love...I've felt the "evils" of this world. I don't right as some emotionless human that is living the high life with no issues.

If there is no God, does that help with all the tragedies in this world? Does that make them go away? It doesn't...all it does is make things even more hopeless. I said a two year old is born a sinner, but isn't as responsible because they don't understand yet. I believe that 2 year old will go to heaven because they weren't old enough to make a decision on their own to believe in God...that should give a parent WAY more hope then just, "oh yes they suffered in this life and now they are nothing." How about this..."yes, it was a tragedy what happened to that child - but now he/she is in heaven where everything is perfect, no more pain no more sorrow. Oh and you can be there to...it's a choice you make."

That is real hope.
Humans can't reject God and then go on to blame, ridicule, and mock him for all the evil in the world. It's a sad mindset to have. I look at all the evil in the world and I know that saying or wishing that there is no God won't make the pain go away....all your ranting won't change anything. You could decide to believe in God...it would make a lot more sense out of this world than not believing in him. Christianity gives hope...there is an afterlife free of pain, sorrow, and sin.
So, be a good person, ask for salvation, and find nirvana in heaven.

I prefer, be a good person on this earth and find nirvana while alive, here.

I don't blame him for evil. It just is so inconsistent, if you believe in an all powerful, merciful, god. To see what happens daily, for centuries.

Makes no sense, does not make me comfy. Living everyday like it is my last day, makes sense. The Golden Rule has been around way, WAY before Jesus.

That makes sense. Not fairy tales.
 
Jspear said:
You're accusations as to what I said are simply wrong. Sorry you feel that way.
So I'm not going to burn in hell for eternity with the rapists and murderers because I was born in the wrong family?

Interesting. What is the far right US fundamentalist nutjob position on the afterlife for non Christians then?
 
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Echoes said:
"To be involved in this (Iraq War), frankly, just makes me happy."

Do you, folks, even beware of whom you are quoting? It's appalling. :rolleyes:
Yeah right ....and when you could not respond in a civil manner to my responses because you arguments where weak and you really could not find an educated response because your posts/ beliefs are contradictory
you posted this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9gjpd25ZRA

What a ray of sunshine you are.
 
The Hitch said:
So I'm not going to burn in hell for eternity with the rapists and murderers because I was born in the wrong family?

Interesting. What is the far right US fundamentalist nutjob position on the afterlife for non Christians then?
Apparently you haven't really even comprehended anything I've said. I could give you a real answer - I'm not bucking the question, but I have a feeling you'll twist what I say no matter what. You're phrasing what I said completely inaccurately...
 
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Did you guys hear about this? Selena Gomez showed some ankle in a mosque in Dubai and has thereby outraged many of her followers on instagram who also follow Mohammed.

Apparently Rihanna had been kicked out of the same mosque for wearing red lipstick and nail polish.

I could care less about these celebrities (though I do find Selena Gomez cute), but it shows to me the double standard in our society when it comes to religion.

In the US, one of the worst things you can say is that a rape victim "had it coming" for "dressing like a sl*t". This spawned the so-called "sl*t walks", where lightly clothed women marched through cities proudly claiming their right to dress whichever way they want.

But even the most "liberal" (in the US sense) people will say, oh well Rihanna she shouldn't have worn that lipstick, she should have been more sensitive - i.e. she had it coming. What the eff?

Can we finally acknowledge the horrible disdain that religion has for women? Can we finally do away with it?
 
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Christian said:
Did you guys hear about this? Selena Gomez showed some ankle in a mosque in Dubai and has thereby outraged many of her followers on instagram who also follow Mohammed.

Apparently Rihanna had been kicked out of the same mosque for wearing red lipstick and nail polish.

I could care less about these celebrities (though I do find Selena Gomez cute), but it shows to me the double standard in our society when it comes to religion.

In the US, one of the worst things you can say is that a rape victim "had it coming" for "dressing like a sl*t". This spawned the so-called "sl*t walks", where lightly clothed women marched through cities proudly claiming their right to dress whichever way they want.

But even the most "liberal" (in the US sense) people will say, oh well Rihanna she shouldn't have worn that lipstick, she should have been more sensitive - i.e. she had it coming. What the eff?

Can we finally acknowledge the horrible disdain that religion has for women? Can we finally do away with it?
1+ My friend, you hit the nail. :)

Those political correct brainwashed folks took us hostage for their experiments of multi-kulti, gendermainstreaming, winner-takes-all society.

Your post just shows the absurdity of their behaving.

Why are they doing that?
1.) Above all is the most dangerous religion of all: The money god. Their upper priests would sell their grandmas for it. So they have no problems to sell western countries to the 2nd most dangerous religion...

2.) ... The islam. A book written by a gangster whose dumb followers kill in his name and rape women for the sake of it.

But there is hope. From Sweden to Spain, brave men and women stand up slowly. They have enough of the islamic intruders that spoil our societies, sold to them by our corrupt leaders (politicans and big business work/ed hand-in-hand) for the money-god.

The 3rd worst religion? Certainly the christs. Cowards trou-and-trou who didn´t stand up against Hitler, not when their churches are burned down in Syria or Kosovo, not when our countries are over-taken by the moslems.
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
1+ My friend, you hit the nail. :)

Those political correct brainwashed folks took us hostage for their experiments of multi-kulti, gendermainstreaming, winner-takes-all society.

Your post just shows the absurdity of their behaving.

Why are they doing that?
1.) Above all is the most dangerous religion of all: The money god. Their upper priests would sell their grandmas for it. So they have no problems to sell western countries to the 2nd most dangerous religion...

2.) ... The islam. A book written by a gangster whose dumb followers kill in his name and rape women for the sake of it.

But there is hope. From Sweden to Spain, brave men and women stand up slowly. They have enough of the islamic intruders that spoil our societies, sold to them by our corrupt leaders (politicans and big business work/ed hand-in-hand) for the money-god.

The 3rd worst religion? Certainly the christs. Cowards trou-and-trou who didn´t stand up against Hitler, not when their churches are burned down in Syria or Kosovo, not when our countries are over-taken by the moslems.
Foxxy, I have to say I disagree with many things you say - I don't think followers of Mohammed are dumb, killers or rapists. I tried to criticize a specific aspect of all religions - disdain for women - and in no way meant to judge every follower of islam.

I also don't think that Western countries are being sold to islam. I do not consider moslems as intruders in my country, and I do not feel that they spoil our society. I do not feel that moslems are taking over Western countries.

I fundamentally disagree with the Pegida movement. I welcome immigration and cultural diversity. I support the party Die Linke and its related movements throughout Europe.

I only tried to illustrate what I perceive to be a double-standard: when it comes to religion (all religions), practices that would be considered ridiculous, harmful or barbaric in any other social setting are considered perfectly fine. This is one of the central arguments of Hitchens. Like in this case expelling women from places for dressing "too provocatively". Women have fought for a long time against such stigmas, but when it comes to religion it is considered "tradition", and where tradition starts the thinking stops.
 
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Fine. You can disagree with me. Since I am tolerant (something most of the extreme lefties lack & and moslems generally anyway), I accept your POV.

But I still can say your last post showed the schizo view of the multi-kulti pc gendermainstreamed brainwashed european lemmings perfectly. You have my applause, if you like it or not. ;)

About your post in detail:

Christian said:
Foxxy, I have to say I disagree with many things you say - I don't think followers of Mohammed are dumb, killers or rapists.
So far so "good", but then...

Christian said:
I tried to criticize a specific aspect of all religions - disdain for women - and in no way meant to judge every follower of islam.
... it´s not only the disdain for women, but also the disdain for us disbelievers (basically all people that are not islam faithed), climaxing in the holy war against us. It´s not about thinking, but about facts. Don´t go cherry-picking of what you don´t like about islam (in your case the "women stuff"). The whole book is full of hate. Read the following of the quran:
Sura 2, Vers 171
Sura 2, Vers 191
Sura 2, Vers 193
Sura 2, Vers 223
Sura 3, Vers 54
Sura 3, Vers 110
Sura 3, Vers 118
Sura 3, Vers 151
Sura 4, Vers 1
Sura 4, Vers 11
Sura 4, Vers 34
Sura 4, Vers 89
Sura 5, Vers 38
Sura 5, Vers 51
Sura 6, Vers 34
Sura 8, Vers 12
Sura 8, Vers 17
Sura 8, Vers 55
Sura 9, Vers 5
Sura 9, Vers 29
Sura 9, Vers 111
Sura 9, Vers 123
Sura 10, Vers 64
Sura 17,Vers 33
Sura 18, Vers 27
Sura 24, Vers 2
Sura 24, Vers 4
Sura 24, Vers 33
Sura 27, Vers 50
Sura 32, Vers 2
Sura 33, Vers 27
Sura 33, Vers 61
Sura 47, Vers 4
Sura 52, Vers 42
Sura 65, Vers 4
Sura 66, Vers 2
Sura 66, Vers 9
Sura 71, Vers 20
Sura 98, Vers 6

When you are finished, you´ll know more about the hateful book than most of western politicans know (who sell us the islam as a friendly welcome enrichment), but who in reality sell our democracies for the benefit of big business (more about that later).

The book is all about raping their women, killing us disbelievers, the holy war against us, the aim of overtaking the world, that only Allah is to be believed and taken as friend, that christs and other religions are evil, and about women being slaves only.

You will never ever have to use the phrase "I think" when talking about the islam. You will know!

Christian said:
I also don't think that Western countries are being sold to islam. I do not consider moslems as intruders in my country, and I do not feel that they spoil our society. I do not feel that moslems are taking over Western countries.
You will know differently after reading the suras I just posted...
Yes western politicans sell our freedom and democracies for the sake of money. Why else should they let those hateful people in? They know they are dangerous (see ISIS, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, etc.)...
They let them in, to play the card (cheap) foreigners vs (high paid) origin european union workers. The collateral damage (spoiled/un-free societies; attacks)? They don´t care. They are (extremly high paid) puppets of big business. Big busniess would sell their own grandmas for more profits. As I said before: The most dangerous religion of them all...

Christian said:
I fundamentally disagree with the Pegida movement.
I fundamentally agree with Pegida. In 20 years (when it´s too late), most european softies who are against them now will have followed. Guaranteed!

Christian said:
I welcome immigration and cultural diversity. I support the party Die Linke and its related movements throughout Europe.
I also support Die Linke in some of their views, but that doesn´t leave me brainwashed to take things they are deadly wrong about. IOW: I am a socialist (as most know from the WP thread), but not a dumb follower... (That doesn´t mean you are one. Just wanted to make my point fully clear)

What did immigration good for you? Honestly: Please tell me. I wanna know why people welcome their own slow "death"...

For me immgration only got bad results: X times beaten by moslems, censored MSM, awful long check-ins at airports (as if we would sucide attack our flights :rolleyes:), my girls being afraid to dress sexy in public, cut freedom, less payment, and so on... There is absolutely nothing good about immigration (from different muslim cultures; poverty "refugees" to be more precise*). Nothing!

Christian said:
I only tried to illustrate what I perceive to be a double-standard: when it comes to religion (all religions), practices that would be considered ridiculous, harmful or barbaric in any other social setting are considered perfectly fine. This is one of the central arguments of Hitchens. Like in this case expelling women from places for dressing "too provocatively". Women have fought for a long time against such stigmas, but when it comes to religion it is considered "tradition", and where tradition starts the thinking stops.
Here I agree fully. But again: It´s not only against women, it´s against all of us.

So if you don´t like it, skip the whole religion stuff. It´s all bad.

* I welcome our friend from all over the world who believe in freedom and share our POVs of fairness and culture...
 
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Being that the penalty for apostasy in the Koran/quran is death, You have to be one strong person to get off that train. I bet there are sh5tloads of secret atheists.
 
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I agree with you that there are many more things wrong with religion, other than its disdain for women. But it is such a broad spectrum (since the holy books cover every aspect of human existence, i.e. Hitchens calling them "totalitarian") that I find it difficult to discuss it in absolute terms. I prefer to discuss one aspect at a time. This story about Selena Gomez caught my eye today, so I brought it up - but this doesn't mean that I think that this is the only thing wrong with religion.

FoxxyBrown1111 said:
The book is all about raping their women, killing us disbelievers, the holy war against us, the aim of overtaking the world, that only Allah is to be believed and taken as friend, that christs and other religions are evil, and about women being slaves only.
I admit that I have not read the Quran, and only parts of the Bible. But doesn't the Bible also contain many of these very same subjects? Granted, since it came before the Quran, it cannot refer to Mohammed. But once Islam became a thread to Christianity, theologists and church authorities made the same claims and organized holy wars.

You will know differently after reading the suras I just posted...
Yes western politicans sell our freedom and democracies for the sake of money. Why else should they let those hateful people in? They know they are dangerous (see ISIS, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, etc.)...
They let them in, to play the card (cheap) foreigners vs (high paid) origin european union workers. The collateral damage (spoiled/un-free societies; attacks)? They don´t care. They are (extremly high paid) puppets of big business. Big busniess would sell their own grandmas for more profits. As I said before: The most dangerous religion of them all...
I am not sure what you mean by "let them in". Europe is commonly refered to as a "fortress", and judging by the risk that people take to make it to the continent, I'd say the EU is doing its best not to let people in. This is also the purpose of the mercenary force Frontex, which is paid for by EU funds.

Following your theory, big business and industry should lobby for extremely lax immigration laws - yet immigration laws and border controls are getting stricter all the time for the Schengen zone.

And why do we know that Saudi Arabia is dangerous? Because we know what material they have: we sold it to them. This, to me, is the true crime of big business: we sell massive weaponry to dictators and criminal leaders who oppress their people, exterminate minorities or threaten to attack other countries.

Western countries like to showcase the money they spend on development cooperation - what they don't say is that the profits they make from weapon sales are much higher. This is the case for Belgium for example, the same probably counts for France and Germany.

What did immigration good for you? Honestly: Please tell me. I wanna know why people welcome their own slow "death"...

For me immgration only got bad results: X times beaten by moslems, censored MSM, awful long check-ins at airports (as if we would sucide attack our flights :rolleyes:), my girls being afraid to dress sexy in public, cut freedom, less payment, and so on... There is absolutely nothing good about immigration (from different muslim cultures; poverty "refugees" to be more precise*). Nothing!
My country, Luxembourg, would never have achieved the wealth it has today if it hadn't been for immigrant workers. Italians and Portuguese helped build the country we could never have built by ourselves. Still today our economy could not survive without immigrants.

But leaving aside the obvious economic profit, I am someone who enjoys learning about other cultures. It is what you call the multiculti brainwash. It seems to me you perceive immigration as part of a "cultural war" determined to do away with your way of life, or your culture. I do not perceive it this way - I think cultures always change and evolve, and that is in no way a bad thing to me.

History is full of these examples, and there is no reason that the Germany that you and I know should be the eternal essence of what Germany has to be for all times.

* I welcome our friend from all over the world who believe in freedom and share our POVs of fairness and culture...
That, to me, seems to be the majority of people - no?
 
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ray j willings said:
Being that the penalty for apostasy in the Koran/quran is death, You have to be one strong person to get off that train. I bet there are sh5tloads of secret atheists.
It doesn´t matter even if there is a shit load of secret atheists in the muslim countries, since the believing hardliners rule everything from A to Z. They are brainwashed from childhood on to fight the holy war. And our political correct people who welcome those sick people have no clue. It´s a sad sad story...

Christian said:
I agree with you that there are many more things wrong with religion, other than its disdain for women. But it is such a broad spectrum (since the holy books cover every aspect of human existence, i.e. Hitchens calling them "totalitarian") that I find it difficult to discuss it in absolute terms. I prefer to discuss one aspect at a time. This story about Selena Gomez caught my eye today, so I brought it up - but this doesn't mean that I think that this is the only thing wrong with religion.
No prob with that... But FYI, Miss Gomez wasn´t in a catholic church, she was in a muslim mosque. You really think the coward christs would have said anything about her if she was going to their church(es)? OFC not... The christs even defend moslems over Pegida :eek: (yet those moslems wish nothing but death for christians, while Pegida only wants to save the little rest of our once great countries)!

It´s all sooo absurd, I am speechless. OTOH, I shouldn´t be surprised. This same christian people did nothing against Hitler. What cowards. Disgusting!

Christian said:
I admit that I have not read the Quran
So then, start now. Before you become just another "I didn´t know" lemming. :D
To make it easy for you: Just pick five random suras I posted, and I´ll put the text here. It´s the same hate over and over again anyway. Thus five will be enough for ya all to uncover the misanthropic islam...

Christian said:
But doesn't the Bible also contain many of these very same subjects?
They are long over with holy wars & all the shit surronding it. They had their reformations. Now they are just toothless tigers who didn´t even had anything going against two of the biggest criminals ever (Stalin & Hitler).
The islam OTOH is the same old barbaric religion it was from day one on. That´s the huge huge difference...


Christian said:
I am not sure what you mean by "let them in". Europe is commonly refered to as a "fortress", and judging by the risk that people take to make it to the continent, I'd say the EU is doing its best not to let people in. This is also the purpose of the mercenary force Frontex, which is paid for by EU funds.
OK, I dont wanna write a book, so just some numbers:
Foreigners (mostly un-educated moslems)
Switzerland 23 %
Germany 20 %
England/GB 13%
Sweden 13%
Austria 12 %

I was many times in Africa (13 times). Every single person I talked deeper with urged me to bring them to Germany. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.

Without Frontex we would have a full blown civil war already. All over europe! Uninformed pc europeans have no clue about that, but rather spend their precious time to demonstrate against those who wanna save Europe (the brave people of Pegida for example).

Christian said:
Following your theory, big business and industry should lobby for extremely lax immigration laws - yet immigration laws and border controls are getting stricter all the time for the Schengen zone.
They do. Day in day out I read articles of them telling how us important they are for us. And everytime I feel like vomiting. We pay everybody: Banksters, intruders & children (via Kindergeld) from poor european countries (speak Bulgaria and Romania), moslems, countries with a lesser BIP, corrupts politicans in the EU and national "Parliaments", and so on, and so on... but no one asks those where the money comes from, who pays them: The totally exploited union workers from Germany.

Christian said:
And why do we know that Saudi Arabia is dangerous? Because we know what material they have: we sold it to them. This, to me, is the true crime of big business: we sell massive weaponry to dictators and criminal leaders who oppress their people, exterminate minorities or threaten to attack other countries.
1st of all: Saudi Arabia is a barbaric middle age country with slaves and all the shit that surrounds the quran...
Not "we" sold us to them. Big business did. They (big business and Arabic oil producers) get all the profits from the oil business. We "just" pay the bills and collateral damage (like 9/11 or Madrid or London). Again: Big business knows only one religion: more money. They would sell their grandmas for more profit. Evil psychos!

Christian said:
Western countries like to showcase the money they spend on development cooperation - what they don't say is that the profits they make from weapon sales are much higher. This is the case for Belgium for example, the same probably counts for France and Germany.
I would not refute that. You know, the grandma thing... ;)

Christian said:
My country, Luxembourg, would never have achieved the wealth it has today if it hadn't been for immigrant workers. Italians and Portuguese helped build the country we could never have built by ourselves. Still today our economy could not survive without immigrants.
Dont make the mistake to confuse educated workers from friendly countries with poverty "refugees" from muslim countries. That´s like comparing apples with oranges. Again: I have nothing against our friends from around the world who believe in our principles: Freedom and fairness. They are always welcome...

Christian said:
But leaving aside the obvious economic profit, I am someone who enjoys learning about other cultures. It is what you call the multiculti brainwash. It seems to me you perceive immigration as part of a "cultural war" determined to do away with your way of life, or your culture. I do not perceive it this way - I think cultures always change and evolve, and that is in no way a bad thing to me.
Where you live? On a finca with high walls in Mallorca? ... Come to Berlin, or Essen, or Duiburg, and you´ll wake up!
 
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OK, I dont wanna write a book, so just some numbers:
Foreigners (mostly un-educated moslems)
Switzerland 23 %
Germany 20 %
England/GB 13%
Sweden 13%
Austria 12 %
Here comes Foxy again. Just exactly which religion/nationality/ethnic group/un-educated group of non Germanic peoples goes by the name moslems?
I would be interested to hear your thoughts regarding the American Nigro.
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
OK, I dont wanna write a book, so just some numbers:
Foreigners (mostly un-educated moslems)
Switzerland 23 %
Germany 20 %
England/GB 13%
Sweden 13%
Austria 12 %
Even though I don't think it's of much use to debate you, I don't have to let your misinformation stand unchallanged.

What Foxxy here calls foreigners are people with a brackground in migration. More than half of them are German citizens. 8,7% are foreigners. Of course I guess the other 11% are "Papierdeutsche"(Paper-Germans) to Foxxy so he refuses to count them.

Besides this, we have his claim that most of them are moslems, plus they are uneducated. The problem is: only about 5% of the German population are muslims. So even if we assumed all of them were "foreigners" in foxxys crude "tolerant" interpretation, still 15% of those 20% are not.
Oh an of course, they are all uneducated. 3.5% of the German population didn't graduate from school. So pretty much all muslims had to be without school degree to make his statement true...

Most of this is pretty well known in general, not in exact numbers of course.
So when you make those claims Foxxy, you either don't know **** and blinded by fear and hate. Or which I guess is the case: you are intentionally lying in order to propagade your xenophobic bull****.

And don't start cherry picking statistics now to get out of this, I am using the very same data that says that 20% of the population have a background in migration.
 
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Statistics play an important role in genetics. For instance, statistics prove that numbers of offspring is an inherited trait. If your parent didn't have any kids, odds are you won't either
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
They are long over with holy wars & all the shit surronding it. They had their reformations. Now they are just toothless tigers who didn´t even had anything going against two of the biggest criminals ever (Stalin & Hitler).
The islam OTOH is the same old barbaric religion it was from day one on. That´s the huge huge difference...
Wtf are you talking about man? Never heard of the Bekennende Kirche? Dietrich Bonhoeffer ring a bell? Never heard of the persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union? Churches burned? Millions of Christians suffering in prison camps? You know pope John Paul II is commonly recognized as having helped the end of the communist rule?

I'm not naive and I know full well there are dangerous tendencies in the Islam which might see the light in Europe if the Muslims ever become the majority here but your xenophobic and demagogic nonsense is just as dangerous. If anything, you're the coward here, motivated by fear; instead of tackling any real problems you just generalize and insult large groups of society.
 
Maaaaaaaarten said:
You know pope John Paul II is commonly recognized as having helped the end of the communist rule?
That reads like something I might read quoted in the clinic. "Rider x is commonly recognized as having been 100% clean. " making something sound like a fact by using media opinion as the barometer.
Media commonly recognizing something does not make it true.
I don't see what difference it would make if it was true anyway. It's not like the church deliberately elected him with the aim to bring down communism. Nor did he become a priest and then pope because he wanted to take it down.

Never heard of the persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union? Churches burned? Millions of Christians suffering in prison camps?
I find it disturbing that you mention churches being burnt on the same level as millions of deaths.
But anyway why do you only focus on the suffering of Christians. People of all backgrounds and cosmological opinions died in the ussr. what point are you trying to make? Christians died in some human tragedies therefore that excuses the 2 thousand year terror that has been waged in it's name?
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Hugh Januss said:
I would be interested to hear your thoughts regarding the American Nigro.
:confused: What you are trying to say? The first group you mention is a religious group, the 2nd is a race.
So what have black american people (you call nigros :eek:) in general to do in a discussion about religion?
It´s like you would ask me what I think about race cars in cycling. It makes absolute no sense. Totally off topic, unrelated in any sense. Complete hogwash.

But as usual you just try to bait me out of the blue.

Rechtschreibfehler said:
Even though I don't think it's of much use to debate you, I don't have to let your misinformation stand unchallanged.
Same here. But I can´t let your lies stand...

Rechtschreibfehler said:
What Foxxy here calls foreigners are people with a brackground in migration. More than half of them are German citizens.
Citizens of Germany, yes. But still foreigners. You can´t debate that fact away. If they have two passports, they belong to their original country. Just common sense...

Rechtschreibfehler said:
8,7% are foreigners. Of course I guess the other 11% are "Papierdeutsche"(Paper-Germans) to Foxxy so he refuses to count them.
Where did I refuse to count them? They are in the 20% number (official stats by the government FYI !!), ... but YOU forgot to count the illegals that are not counted by the official government stats... Do your homework before attacking me.

Rechtschreibfehler said:
Besides this, we have his claim that most of them are moslems, plus they are uneducated. The problem is: "only" about 5% of the German population are muslims.
BS. Again you intentionally forgot to count the double passport holders and illegals. I don´t know the precise number, but it´s higher than your 5% lie (because you only counted the 5% out of your wrong 8.7 % number)...

Rechtschreibfehler said:
So even if we assumed all of them were foreigners in foxxys crude tolerant interpretation, still 15% of those 20% are not.
Total wrong calculation. See last chapter. 2+2 isn´t 5 FYI...

Rechtschreibfehler said:
you are intentionally lying in order to propagade your xenophobic bull****.
YOU are intentionally lying (or at best missed math in school; either way your numbers are wrong).

And here came your personal attack: "your xenophobic bull****". Show me where I was writing that. Just a single sentence...

If you can´t find one, you either apologize to me, or get banned. Easy as that...

FYI: Attacking a dangerous religion is not xenophobic. Especially if it´s the truth. Wake up man. Have a look at Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, and so on. If that is too far for you, go to the inner cities of Munich, Berlin, Duisburg, Essen, you name it...

Get out of your Wolkenkuckucksheim before discussing matters you don´t know a **** about.

Rechtschreibfehler said:
And don't start cherry picking statistics now to get out of this, I am using the very same data that says that 20% of the population have a background in migration.
Don´t twist reality. YOU made simple math errors. YOU cherry picked numbers to "prove" whatever you wanted to "prove"... All you did was lying and personally attacking me. The usual tactics applied by multi-kulti lefties who can´t admit their experiments gone deadly wrong...

Maaaaaaaarten said:
Wtf are you talking about man? Never heard of the Bekennende Kirche? Dietrich Bonhoeffer ring a bell? Never heard of the persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union? Churches burned? Millions of Christians suffering in prison camps? You know pope John Paul II is commonly recognized as having helped the end of the communist rule?
:confused: What are you trying to say? That Stalin was a mass murderer? I said that already. But what the heck has that to do with my post you quoted? :confused:

Maaaaaaaarten said:
I'm not naive and I know full well there are dangerous tendencies in the Islam which might see the light in Europe if the Muslims ever become the majority here
So far so "good".... But FYI, they don´t even need to become the majority. Just read Mr. Williams post (# 1632) above to get enlighted...

Maaaaaaaarten said:
but your xenophobic and demagogic nonsense is just as dangerous.
Where have I been xenophobic and demagogic? Rhetorical question... You and I know I wasn´t... Waiting for your apology...

So instead of personally attacking me, read my posts again. I just mentioned the dangers of the islam and gave some backround infos. If you think all is friendly and nice, take my advice and go to the countries and cities I mentioned to "Rechtschreibfehler" (his name seems to be his program). If you still can´t agree with me afterwards, discuss with counter-points and arguments, but not personal attacks. And finally, as a good starter, read the suras I mentioned. They will help you out for building a good foundation...

Maaaaaaaarten said:
If anything, you're the coward here, motivated by fear; instead of tackling any real problems you just generalize and insult large groups of society.
How am I the coward? If all, I have the courage to say the truth behind the islam. Who else did it here? Who? Everybody is feared to death to say anything bad about this dangerous religion...

Thus: Waiting for an apology for your personal attack calling me a coward.
 
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Some more infos to those who personally attacked me (the messenger only):

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-gaza-crisis-german-protesters-chant-gas-jews-anti-israel-rallies-1457714

"Berlin authorities have ordered pro-Gaza demonstrators to stop chanting anti-semitic messages, after protesters were reportedly heard shouting 'Gas the Jews'."

"Imam calling for the obliteration of Jews, telling his followers to "kill them to the very last one""

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Have a nice day, but next time attack those who are really xenophobic and demagogic. Thanks in advance.

P.S.: Still waiting for your apologies...
 
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The Hitch said:
I find it disturbing that you mention churches being burnt on the same level as millions of deaths.
But anyway why do you only focus on the suffering of Christians. People of all backgrounds and cosmological opinions died in the ussr. what point are you trying to make? Christians died in some human tragedies therefore that excuses the 2 thousand year terror that has been waged in it's name?
Read what I replied too. In an earlier post Foxy claimed Christianity is one of the worst religions because Christians are all cowards and in the portion I quote he supports this by claiming they didn't do anything against Hitler and Stalin. As I've showed, this is simply factually incorrect in both Germany and the USSR many Christians opposed these two dictators to the point of death. It's a plain simple fact we had the Bekennende Kirche in Germany and that millions of Christians ended up in prison camps exactly because they opposed Stalin. Foxy's claims were ludicrous and offensive.

FoxxyBrown1111 said:
:confused: What are you trying to say? That Stalin was a mass murderer? I said that already. But what the heck has that to do with my post you quoted? :confused:
See my reply to the Hitch.

FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Where have I been xenophobic and demagogic? Rhetorical question... You and I know I wasn´t... Waiting for your apology...

How am I the coward? If all, I have the courage to say the truth behind the islam. Who else did it here? Who? Everybody is feared to death to say anything bad about this dangerous religion...

Thus: Waiting for an apology for your personal attack calling me a coward.
Well, to be honest, I stopped taking your 'truth' about the Islam seriously after I undertook the effort to look up some of the Surah's you posted as incriminating the Islam. I gave up after the first two.....

The first one, 2:171, is just name-calling unbelievers. Sure, that's offensive, but it's hardly a warrant for the accusations you make against the Islam. In fact, you calling all Christians cowards and all the accusations you bring against Muslims.

The second one, 2:191, seems to be a general command to kill unbelievers. But it only appears so because you didn't give the context. Read 2:190-194 and read the tafsir about this passage and you'll see the context is retaliation. Fight those who fight you. Not killing unbelievers.

So either do your homework and post some more sensible accusations, because there's plenty to make, or otherwise I'm awfully inclined to think that you don't know what you're talking about and you're just scared of foreigners.
 
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Maaaaaaaarten said:
All right. I give up. Stay ignorant, and personally insult messengers instead.
My point is crystal clear: Religions are bad. A lot of killing in the name of them over thousands of years.

Good for you coming to the conclusion that the islam is a peaceful religion after reading two suras and twiswting it to your liking. :rolleyes:

All the luck and best for you not being in the way when the next friendly moslem :rolleyes: drives his car into innocents shouting "Allahu Akbar" ...

http://www.france24.com/en/20141222-driver-french-pedestrians-allahu-akbar-attack-dijon/

... right here in the heart of Europe.
 
Where should I start with, in all this sh*tload of lies !

First off perhaps, this everlasting slander about Christian not standing up against Hitler... Massive disgusting LIE!!! I'm very angry first because it's an insult to the memory of my own grandfather who was a WWII vet and did combat what the Nazi regime was, something the present-day atheists probably wouldn't have the balls to. I will never tolerate any young little punk to claim my grandfather was a coward, it's indecent.

But even then it's an insult to the legend of Gino Bartali who saved hundreds of Jews, while dealing false ID's that he had hidden in his saddle tube. It's an insult to Pope Pius XII who organised the biggest Jewish rescue plan in ALL occupied territories. THOUSANDS of Jews owed their lives to Pope Pius XII !!! How could these liars vilify this man so harshly is beyond me. Of course, it started after his death, which adds up to the indecency of all these atheists...

It's an insult to all these French resistance movements that were created by 1940, all of them consisting of a vast majority of Monarchist catholics and even far-righters. Also the majority of those who joined General De Gaulle in London came from the same Monarchist Catholic circles. This while most of the atheists and secularists collaborated.

All these lies tire me out.

I know the atheist arguments that the USSR was not atheistic because they were communists. Okay! But the genociders of the Vendée (1793) were not communists. Plutarquo Calles, the butcher of the Cristeros (1929) was NOT communists. Nabulione Buonaparte was a non-Communist atheist who put Europe in fire. Etc etc etc Secularists and atheists are the biggest killers in history.


And then, finally, in the Koran, the Prophet Muhammad - Peace be upon him - never ordered any killing of infidels unless in case of self-defence/when attacked upon. NEVER EVER EVER! Again a massive atheistic lie. Not only is this order inexistant, but the opposite order is true. He commanded to never kill them unless in self-defence. Read the Koran before spreading such crap lies.

It might not be xenophobia but it's nonetheless very dangerous. I'm scared to death when I see those Islamophobic movement - most of them orchestrated by Zionist Jews, the same that brought Arabs in in the eighties - who clearly advocating for a whole civil war in Europe, in order to turn the current financial crisis which they are responsible for (their friends of the City and Wall Street) into a religious war. No this is no time for playing, okay. This is very serious. They truly believe in the Clash of Civilisation theory. No wonder that most Christians side with the Muslims there. Me first! I'm putting out my hand to my Muslim brothers, in order to avoid this Civil War and because even if we disagree on many point, we have a lot of values in common: such as family, savings, hospitality, charity, etc. I'd rather the Arabic migrants that came here be Muslims than atheists. If they are to destroy our "Western Civilisation", then so much the better. This civilisation of Mickey Mouse, Video Games, Coca-Cola, etc. we should get rid of it. As Pierre Hillard put it: "Islam is becoming the enemy of New World Order".

Oh and Saudi Arabia is Islamic? I have already showed here that it was not Islamic, it's not medieval (the Middle-Age was a great period), there were no slaves in the Middle-Ages. The Sauds are Wahhabits and probably sabbataïsts, and I showed how they are the worst enemy of Islam. They destroyed most of the sacred monuments around Mecca. They are Satanists.
 

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