Retrospective testing..when boy when!

[cnc-it]

The UCI Circ report recommended retrospective testing of blood samples..as far as I can see this hasn't happened yet..any body know if it will be happening? It seems like the best deter ant ever against doping. Greg Le Mond suggested it 10 years ago..it's not a new idea..why so long to get it in place?

Also TUE exemptions..I can't believe the UCI is still letting riders get away with these..to me if you need a TUE then you are ill and shouldn't be racing..the movement for credible cycling already have this rule although some how Chris H was allowed to use a TUE for medication for Bronchitis and still race the TDF or have I got this wrong..

 

[Benotti69]

Retrospective testing would imply the UCI want to catch cheats............................dont be fooled. UCI are not interested in catching cheats unless they have good reason, say, they need a new blood testing machine.......or a new villa..........

 

[cnc-it]

My thoughts exactly..no point going to 4 year bans for a doping offence if the system isn't properly in place to catch anybody in the first place..

 

[cnc-it]

A typical example was Cobo..comes from no where to win the Vuelta..then goes back to no where..but his bio passport shows no anomalies??? His estimated power out puts where off the Richter scale when he dropped Froomy and Wiggo on the hardest stage of the race..

 

[BYOP88]

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A typical example was Cobo..comes from no where to win the Vuelta..then goes back to no where..but his bio passport shows no anomalies??? His estimated power out puts where off the Richter scale when he dropped Froomy and Wiggo on the hardest stage of the race..

Wiggins had a good 2011/12 then fell off a cliff too and then in 2013 he started to revert back to the old pre-2009 Wiggins, who couldn't climb a speed bump.

 

[cnc-it]

To be fair to Wiggins though he did win more than one race in 2012 and since then he's been carrying two stone of extra body weight..not the best prep for climbing in the Alps

 

[cnc-it]

Btw does a beer belly have an effect on aerodynamics or is it just air pressure..

 

[neineinei]

who knows how much extra Cobo has been carrying after his Vuelta win? He's struggled with depression before. Probably not easier to carry than knighthood.

 

[cnc-it]

A lot of riders have suffered from depression so they can be subscribed anti depressants..they work great for beating tiredness during a stage race

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

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To be fair to Wiggins though he did win more than one race in 2012 and since then he's been carrying two stone of extra body weight..not the best prep for climbing in the Alps

Though to be realistic to Wigans, he was doped to the gills when he won.

 

[hrotha]

Cobo's career can't be explained by doping or lack thereof - the fluctuations are just too massive.

 

[cnc-it]

Maybe but doped with what?..and he already had a 4th in the TDF, only beaten by 3 convicted dopers who have all served bans..it wasn't like he came from no where to win in 2012 ..like Cobo did for the Vuelta..back to my original point though... if retrospective testing is? going to be carried out we might get proof either way on these riders in the future...although I'm not holding out much hope at the moment...

 

[hrotha]

Cobo didn't come from nowhere in 2011. You might want to look up the 2008 Tour, 2007 Basque Country or 2009 Vuelta.

Wiggins didn't come from nowhere in 2012, the same way that Riis didn't come from nowhere in 1996. They both had come from nowhere a couple of years before late in their careers, though.

 

[cnc-it]

Wiggs was Olympic champion before he turned pro in Europe..Cobo had poor form before he won the Vuelta in 2011..we all know the story on Riis..no retrospective testing needed there...

 

[Bronstein]

What form did Wiggins have prior to the 2009 Tour?

 

[hrotha]

Yes - on the track. Maybe Riis was a herring fishing world champion, but it still doesn't mean much on the road.

If you don't want a thread to take a particular direction, don't bring up certain people in a seemingly controversial way.

 

[the sceptic]

so the whole point of this thread was to make the wrong argument that Cobo was a bigger donkey than Wiggins and Froome? zzzz

 

[cnc-it]

Controversial...aren't topics involved with doping always controversial..? I didn't mention donkeys..

 

[blackcat]

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Yes - on the track. Maybe Riis was a herring fishing world champion, but it still doesn't mean much on the road.

If you don't want a thread to take a particular direction, don't bring up certain people in a seemingly controversial way.

phenomenal post. early candidate for post of the year

#POY

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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To be fair to Wiggins though he did win more than one race in 2012 and since then he's been carrying two stone of extra body weight..not the best prep for climbing in the Alps

Hyperbole does not become you. 2 stone is 12kg and there's no way in hell he's added 16% body fat nor 12 kg of muscle anywhere since 2012.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

To be fair to Wiggins though he did win more than one race in 2012 and since then he's been carrying two stone of extra body weight..not the best prep for climbing in the Alps

Hyperbole does not become you. 2 stone is 12kg and there's no way in hell he's added 16% body fat nor 12 kg of muscle anywhere since 2012.

few room temperature ales tho, and a few joints, mebbe even coupla lines of blow

 

[BYOP88]

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Yes - on the track. Maybe Riis was a herring fishing world champion, but it still doesn't mean much on the road.

If you don't want a thread to take a particular direction, don't bring up certain people in a seemingly controversial way.

HAHAHAHA 'herring fishing world champion'

[quote="blackcat
phenomenal post. early candidate for post of the year

#POY[/quote]

I agree, if this doesn't win #POY someone has pulled a rabbit out of the hat.

 

[cnc-it]

To be fair to Wiggins though he did win more than one race in 2012 and since then he's been carrying two stone of extra body weight..not the best prep for climbing in the Alps

Hyperbole does not become you. 2 stone is 12kg and there's no way in hell he's added 16% body fat nor 12 kg of muscle anywhere since 2012.

few room temperature ales tho, and a few joints, mebbe even coupla lines of blow

There was a hint of sarcasm when I said that but wiggo did say in the telegraph that he was 14lb heavier now than when he won the Tour..

 

[cnc-it]

The extra weight is all to do with aerodynamics and air pressure apparently bit beyond me but I'll take his word for it

 

[mrhender]

Has there ever been a pro cycling ban from (2y+) retrospective testing?

I think part of the point of retrospective testing is scaring dopers from being too inovative in their methods...

For example not jumping the AICAR train etc...

Only problem is if it is never enforced it doesn't really work as a deterrent...

Maybe they are afraid to start retrospective testing because that could open up a can of worms...

Who needs controversy...?

Anti-doping-systems and in particular retrospective testing are mainly to make riders percieve that they shouldn't
dope because they will get caught eventually..

Only problem with that tactic is that it is only a theory never realised in reality so the peloton is calling the bluff.....