Returning Dopers racing at their doped level..

[webvan]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/giro-del-trentino-2-hc/stage-1/results

"8. Stefan Schumacher (Ger) Miche - Guerciotti : 0:00:23"

Not too shabby, eh! Another doper whose body "memorized" the good stuff?

hum...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/vuelta-asturias-julio-alvarez-mendo-2-1-1/stage-2b/results

Vuelta Asturias race leader Stefan Schumacher (Miche-Guerciotti) extended his general classification advantage with a victory in the stage 2b time trial, his second win in three stages.

 

[roundabout]

I am more in awe of Scarponi...

 

[hrotha]

I am more in awe of Scarponi...

No kidding. Schumacher winning a sprint and a TT against a weak field is no surprise, hell, he might even be able to do that clean, but Scarponi is a different thing altogether. Back when he rode for Domina and Liberty (hello Dr Fuentes), the most he could aim for at the GTs was a top 10. "But he was young". No he wasn't. He was 27 when Puerto came about, and had been riding at a high level for four or five years already. Furthermore, his performance with Liberty was rather poor, compared to Domina Vacanze (a team with riders like Perdiguero, Santos González, Gabriele Colombo, Lombardi or... Kolobnev ). His best results came in the Ardennes, but he could never climb the big mountains with the best. At 27.

Now, after Puerto, he's supposed to be one of the 5 best climbers in the world, and one of the most consistent riders, from February to October. After having ridden for Androni (hello Gianni Savio). And now riding for Lampre.

If he isn't one of the biggest superchargers in the pro peloton, I'd be very surprised.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

hum...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/vuelta-asturias-julio-alvarez-mendo-2-1-1/stage-2b/results

Vuelta Asturias race leader Stefan Schumacher (Miche-Guerciotti) extended his general classification advantage with a victory in the stage 2b time trial, his second win in three stages.

Let's be fair though... look at the field at that race. Schumacher SHOULD be stomping all over them.

There's a big difference between stomping Cancellara, Millar and co by half a minute in the Tour de France and beating the likes of Sergey Shilov and Hugo Sabido.

He beat José Iván Gutiérrez by 4 seconds. And Guti isn't the ITT rider he once was either. I'm not going to stick my neck out and say Schumacher is clean because I don't think I believe it. But we can't jump to conclusions because his performance is hardly on a par with his CERA-fuelled ones.

 

[greatking88]

Let's be fair though... look at the field at that race. Schumacher SHOULD be stomping all over them.

There's a big difference between stomping Cancellara, Millar and co by half a minute in the Tour de France and beating the likes of Sergey Shilov and Hugo Sabido.

He beat José Iván Gutiérrez by 4 seconds. And Guti isn't the ITT rider he once was either. I'm not going to stick my neck out and say Schumacher is clean because I don't think I believe it. But we can't jump to conclusions because his performance is hardly on a par with his CERA-fuelled ones.

I think he's steadily building results to eventually get back to his CERA fuelled days..probably wont be long..

 

[luckyboy]

No kidding. Schumacher winning a sprint and a TT against a weak field is no surprise, hell, he might even be able to do that clean, but Scarponi is a different thing altogether. Back when he rode for Domina and Liberty (hello Dr Fuentes), the most he could aim for at the GTs was a top 10. "But he was young". No he wasn't. He was 27 when Puerto came about, and had been riding at a high level for four or five years already. Furthermore, his performance with Liberty was rather poor, compared to Domina Vacanze (a team with riders like Perdiguero, Santos González, Gabriele Colombo, Lombardi or... Kolobnev ). His best results came in the Ardennes, but he could never climb the big mountains with the best. At 27.

Now, after Puerto, he's supposed to be one of the 5 best climbers in the world, and one of the most consistent riders, from February to October. After having ridden for Androni (hello Gianni Savio). And now riding for Lampre.

If he isn't one of the biggest superchargers in the pro peloton, I'd be very surprised.

Yeah Scarponi is someone who stands out as being obviously doped.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Let's be fair though... look at the field at that race. Schumacher SHOULD be stomping all over them.

There's a big difference between stomping Cancellara, Millar and co by half a minute in the Tour de France and beating the likes of Sergey Shilov and Hugo Sabido.

He beat José Iván Gutiérrez by 4 seconds. And Guti isn't the ITT rider he once was either. I'm not going to stick my neck out and say Schumacher is clean because I don't think I believe it. But we can't jump to conclusions because his performance is hardly on a par with his CERA-fuelled ones.

+1

It's not obvious who is charging at events without depth in the field. This is lost in some of the back and forth about riders. Taking it one step further, I'll go way out on a limb and say Grand Tours are the best indicator. Why? Depth of the field and known and measured well (Thanks SRM) fully-geared performances. Ideally SRM and others will continue to publish rider data.

 

[roundabout]

Let's be fair though... look at the field at that race. Schumacher SHOULD be stomping all over them.

There's a big difference between stomping Cancellara, Millar and co by half a minute in the Tour de France and beating the likes of Sergey Shilov and Hugo Sabido.

He beat José Iván Gutiérrez by 4 seconds. And Guti isn't the ITT rider he once was either. I'm not going to stick my neck out and say Schumacher is clean because I don't think I believe it. But we can't jump to conclusions because his performance is hardly on a par with his CERA-fuelled ones.

Speaking of Mr. Potato Head, one of his teammates tested positive for EPO.

http://www.agi.it/english-version/s...ng_muto_positive_for_epo_at_tour_of_apennines

 

[timbat]

Danilo Di Luca ... what a hypocrit! Today he comes out saying he is only at 80% compared to 2007 and 2009 when he was juiced to the eyeballs. Yet in his opinion it is purely "physiologicial" nothing to do with doping.

 

[greatking88]

Danilo Di Luca ... what a hypocrit! Today he comes out saying he is only at 80% compared to 2007 and 2009 when he was juiced to the eyeballs. Yet in his opinion it is purely "physiologicial" nothing to do with doping.

Looks like we know now the advantage/improvement Di Luca's 'preparation methods' gave him during those days..

 

[VeloCity]

Not making excuses for doping, but it's got to be tough to try and ride clean after doping. I remember an article written by some amateur dude who voluntarily went on an EPO program and how much stronger he was while on EPO and how slow and sluggish he felt after the experiment ended. Imagine then how tempting it must be to resume doping when you're a professional, with so much more at stake.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I am more in awe of Scarponi...

The thread title doesn't really apply to him, though.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Speaking of Mr. Potato Head, one of his teammates tested positive for EPO.

http://www.agi.it/english-version/s...ng_muto_positive_for_epo_at_tour_of_apennines

Yup, stuffed my CQ team too. He'd always played second fiddle to Niemiec and Baliani, had good results. I had high hopes, thought he was a rider who not many people would have spotted. Thought he'd break out. Well, more people have heard of him now, but I didn't get any benefits from that.

 

[Frosty]

Di Luca's form is a bit different to 2009...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

As is Sella's (to 2008). He's back to his old (pre-2008) self - go on the attack, climb beautifully, blow up and inevitably fall back.

 

[roundabout]

He is probably even worse than he was pre-2008.

Scarponi is still ticking me off though.

 

[usedtobefast]

Di Luca's form is a bit different to 2009...

yeah, just a little. that was a fun race to watch. doped to the max. now he has a firm lock on what 61st place?

http://www.sadtrombone.com/

 

[Oldman]

Contador after 3 mtn days and at the end of 7+ hours....wtf.