Riccò hospitalized for possible kidney ailment

[Benotti69]

Pretty pathetic that he didn't even give it half a season before going back to doping. The guy didn't even find out if he could compete clean. It is almost like he was addicted to doping.

who said he ever stopped

 

[ulrikmm]

Take it up with the FDA, then. They're the ones with the black box warning regarding this exact practice.

You know, things are not black or white: The drugs are still used for dialysis patients, but special care is taken in keeping the dose low, and avoiding giving the drugs to patients that have experienced thrombotic insults, or have cancer.

If dialysis patients are not given EPO, they will need frequent blood transfusions to keep them alive.

 

[Anonymous]

Pretty pathetic that he didn't even give it half a season before going back to doping. The guy didn't even find out if he could compete clean. It is almost like he was addicted to doping.

Joe Parkin made the observation that there are two types of dopers;

A guy who dopes to cycle more.

A guy who cycles to dope more.


Anybody get the feeling this is eventually going to end tragically?

 

[Anonymous]

It also calls into question his fiancés performances in cyclo cross.

Ricco is a snake. end of. his association with Sassi was either doping or using Sassi as good PR. i hope he squeals to save himself and in the squealing does a Landis and spills the beans on everything and everyone.

Ain't gonna happen. There are SO many other people who could have talked (even a little bit) and just won't. And by not doing so, they help perpetuate the problem. Any of you Boulder boyz in the house, next time you see Tyler, please tell him to go F himself as you pass by.

Wouldnt put it past him. Hes clearly 1 sandwich short of a picnic.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Now I'm all for blaming the system and not just the riders, but you guys are dangerously close to blaming the system but not the riders. Riccò didn't have to win the Giro. You can be clean and still enjoy some level of success. Returning to the top of the game was his choice.

The choice though is dope or don't play at all, and that is 100% the fault of the UCI.

 

[jimmypop]

Anyone who keeps mentioning or referencing to Armstrong, go to an Armstrong thread, if you do so here, you will understand that it has consequences. I am sick of all this Armstrong talk in other threads

Cry me a river. There's an argument to be made that we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now without Armstrong; the sorry state of the sport and the actions of Sir Lance are inextricably linked. One has to engage in feats of twisted logic to assert otherwise.

Can I get that permban yet? Pretty please?

 

[**Uru**]

The most shocking thing for me is that Ricco is now back with Rossi and she reportedly watched him do the transfusion. Interesting about-face after throwing her under the bus when she got caught doping. At the time he dumped her publicly I suspected that it was all for show.

 

[Altitude]

Wouldn't this be a breach of patient - doctor confidentiality?

 

[ulrikmm]

Technically, this was then off-label use and is now discouraged?

No, this is on-label. You could try the very detailed Danish Medicines Agency homepage, and use Google translate:

http://pro.medicin.dk/

In the search box, you could enter Eprex, Neorecormon, Aranesp, Mircera, Retacrit.

 

[BotanyBay]

Joe Parkin made the observation that there are two types of dopers;

A guy who dopes to cycle more.

A guy who cycles to dope more.


Anybody get the feeling this is eventually going to end tragically?

It already has, many times over, but history will repeat itself again (sadly).

Riccó can view this as the end or the beginning. His choice.

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/08-02-2011/ricco-nottata-tranquilla-8084685384.shtml

Sensational testimony of the doctor of the hospital Pavullo, where Riccardo Ricco was hospitalized Saturday. According to the doctor, the rider from Modena was in a state of shock and said "in the presence of his wife have done alone un'autotrasfusione of blood kept in the fridge at home for 25 days. " The Prosecutor of Coni has been opened a disciplinary procedure

as reported in the major Italian sports paper and sponsors of the Giro.

 

[Barrus]

Wouldn't this be a breach of patient - doctor confidentiality?

In most cases there are provision precluding such confidentiality in the case of criminal offences, either being the cause, being found out or are likely to occur

 

[The Hitch]

So is Aldo Sassi still Mr clean?

 

[luckyboy]

Jesus Christ, sometimes this stuff is just unbelievable.

 

[hrotha]

The choice though is dope or don't play at all, and that is 100% the fault of the UCI.

The UCI is largely to blame for the state of cycling regarding doping, yes, but Riccò did have a choice to ride clean. Or are you saying absolutely everyone dopes, including the guys widely reputed to have been clean in the last 20 years?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Why are people surprised by this? I don't get it. You think Basso took a ban, then came back and dropped everyone in the Giro while clean?

You think Vino smoked the field in L-B-L clean? Or that Menchov beat a doped DiLuca while clean?

This sport is what it is. Let's not pretend it's something else. We are fans of a manufactured spectacle, but a spectacle nonetheless.

 

[Altitude]

Isn't a blood bag generally good for 60 days or so if stored at the right temperature? Reports are making it sound like the duration of storage (25 days?) is the cause.

 

[Anonymous]

The UCI is largely to blame for the state of cycling regarding doping, yes, but Riccò did have a choice to ride clean. Or are you saying absolutely everyone dopes, including the guys widely reputed to have been clean in the last 20 years?

and those are -- ?

truly, i'd like to know who they are.

i don't believe anybody was/is anymore.

 

[Chuffy]

So is Aldo Sassi still Mr clean?

No, he's Mr Dead. And if he was genuine in what he was trying to do then The Worm should be feeling pretty damn sh*tty right now.

Interesting to see if any of Sassi's other alumni have anything to say on the matter.

 

[BotanyBay]

Isn't a blood bag generally good for 60 days or so if stored at the right temperature? Reports are making it sound like the duration of storage (25 days?) is the cause.

If he was self-administering, he may have also been self-donating. There are so many ways he could have screwed things up, they're not even worth mentioning.

 

[ulrikmm]

http://www.bloddonor.dk/undervisnin...fremstilling-og-opbevaring-af-blodkomponenter

Use translate.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The UCI is largely to blame for the state of cycling regarding doping, yes, but Riccò did have a choice to ride clean. Or are you saying absolutely everyone dopes, including the guys widely reputed to have been clean in the last 20 years?

First, who are the guys widely reputed to have been clean in the last 20 years? Tommy Voeckler, Kenny van Hummel, and who else?

You want to win in this sport, you dope. That's the reality of it. If not, you go do something else. A lot of these guys don't know how to do anything else. If Ricco rides clean, he's dooming himself to pack fodder, a crappy contract, and soon enough, a job handing out Powerbars in the feedzone to those who made the other choice.

Want a different sport? Change comes from the top down.

 

[Anonymous]

In most cases there are provision precluding such confidentiality in the case of criminal offences, either being the cause, being found out or are likely to occur

think thats pretty standard. I had first appointment with new doctor today and had the usual speil i had to sign where everything is confidential unless i do something illegal, endanger my own life, or other peoples. Pretty standard practice now between doctors and patients.

 

[hrotha]

and those are -- ?

truly, i'd like to know who they are.

i don't believe anybody was/is anymore.

Charly Mottet, for example? David Moncoutié? Christophe Bassons (who, despite being chased away from the sport by the omertà crew, still had the energy to win a stage at the Dauphiné and get some other decent results)? Sorry, "I'm just a victim of the system!" doesn't cut it.

 

[Chuffy]

If he was self-administering, he may have also been self-donating. There are so many ways he could have screwed things up, they're not even worth mentioning.

He's definitely a self donater....

Other possibility is that is was Valentina's blood bag. Presumably the wrong blood type would result in something catastrophic like renal failure?