Riccò hospitalized for possible kidney ailment

[biopass]

IMO, theres a few things that doesnt ad up. If Ricco was doing blooddoping, which race is it he wanted to win? Asuming he hadnt got kidney failure. I mean isnt he preparing for his season goal? The return to the Giro? And isnt blooddoping something you take during a stagerace? And not before you start racing?

 

[131313]

IMO, theres a few things that doesnt ad up. If Ricco was doing blooddoping, which race is it he wanted to win? Asuming he hadnt got kidney failure. I mean isnt he preparing for his season goal? The return to the Giro? And isnt blooddoping something you take during a stagerace? And not before you start racing?

why do people think you only need to dope for Grand Tours?

He was racing next week. When there's a bike race, there's doping. End of Story.

It adds up perfectly.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-mediterraneen-cycliste-professionnel-2-1-1

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Well I'm dropping him from my fantasy team... that's for sure

I'll pick him up in 2 years for a song. Solid.

 

[biopass]

why do people think you only need to dope for Grand Tours?

He was racing next week. When there's a bike race, there's doping. End of Story.

It adds up perfectly.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-mediterraneen-cycliste-professionnel-2-1-1

No it doesnt add up. If the story was that Ricco is microdosing epo, it would add up. But not if he was doing blooddoping.

 

[Maxiton]

Okay, for the last (?) time: riders withdraw and re-infuse throughout the season so that they don't have to worry so much about storage issues. And he'd already begun more for training reasons, probably, than for racing.

 

[yourwelcome]

Looks like if they ban Ricco 'for life', it really will be 'in favour of his own life'.

The cynic in me says he resembles a problem gambler being banned from a casino for causing repeated embarrassments, while the majority who keep it under control get to go on gambling as usual.

 

[PACONi]

Looks like if they ban Ricco 'for life', it really will be 'in favour of his own life'.

The cynic in me says he resembles a problem gambler being banned from a casino for causing repeated embarrassments, while the majority who keep it under control get to go on gambling as usual.

He idolises Pantani, sadly, odds are he'll end up just like his hero.

 

[biopass]

Okay, for the last (?) time: riders withdraw and re-infuse throughout the season so that they don't have to worry so much about storage issues. And he'd already begun more for training reasons, probably, than for racing.

Come on. Withdrawing blood and reinfusing an older blood bag? Is that really doping? How will it enhance his performance if he really did a routine blood in/blood out just to make sure he has some fresh blood in his fridge?

 

[pedaling squares]

EVERYBODY! please read the above! this must have been written in an effort to justify doping.

He's as blind as he can be,
Just sees what he wants to see,
nowhereman can you see me at all?

 

[Escarabajo]

No it doesnt add up. If the story was that Ricco is microdosing epo, it would add up. But not if he was doing blooddoping.

And how do you know that he was not microdosing?

There is a race next week and he was one of the favorites as far as I am concerned. So what does not add up? Please explain.

 

[joe_papp]

He idolises Pantani, sadly, odds are he'll end up just like his hero.

I agree with you. Sadly. It's no one's fault, really, yet we're all to blame in a way. Poor Marco. He didn't deserve to die, even at his own hand. Neither does Ricco. Hopefully someone with some balls will assist Ricco in getting the help that Pantani didn't have a viable chance at.

 

[Sanitiser]

I agree with you. Sadly. It's no one's fault, really, yet we're all to blame in a way. Poor Marco. He didn't deserve to die, even at his own hand. Neither does Ricco. Hopefully someone with some balls will assist Ricco in getting the help that Pantani didn't have a viable chance at.

Honestly the way history is- the signs aren't good.

 

[rhubroma]

If the account is true, then, from a psychological perspective, the chances are this is way worse then Pantani.

Or else, perhaps the shock will have a jolting effect that will allow the man along the path to rebirth.

Either way emotionally it aint gonna be easy.

 

[M Sport]

So how does doctor-patient confidentiality affect the police investigation? How does it affect a possible UCI doping sanction? If Ricco invokes EU privacy law then what evidence is there?

I'm not really up to speed specifically on EU laws but if a similar thing happened in the US, UK, Australia or NZ then I will pose that if the scenario wen't something like this ...

1. Ricco transfused
2. Blood was tainted and everything wen't wrong
3. Admitted to emergency with life threatening conditions
4. Ricco advised Dr what he had done and what went wrong.
5. Dr had a flip top head and blabbed all to the 5 o's
6. Police found no evidence at all in his residence.

(Feel free to correct anything in the story, I haven't had the time to follow it and what information is out there seems third hand.)

... then Ricco would walk (based on those loose facts), no doping charge, no criminal charges. Now if the story is slightly different and Rossi told the police (unlikely?) then the situation changes.

Doctors can generally only pass on patient information when they are complying with a court order, or, they believe their patient is about to cause grave injury to either themself or another person. Neither of those conditions existed.

France, Spain and Italy do have some odd laws regarding sports doping though so again, I'm only commenting based on the laws of countries I know about.

Edit: It's also worth adding that anything Ricco said whatsoever when in the condition he was in at the time i.e critical condition whether it was to Doctors, Police or anyone wouldn't generally able to be used to obtain a conviction.

 

[Cloxxki]

In Italy, doping is a crime, right?
Docs are not priests, they are required by law to pass on criminal knowledge, even if it regards their patients.

 

[thehog]

If the account is true, then, from a psychological perspective, the chances are this is way worse then Pantani.

Or else, perhaps the shock will have a jolting effect that will allow the man along the path to rebirth.

Either way emotionally it aint gonna be easy.

Oh stop the drama. You guys love to talk it up. Ricco is fine. Remember these guys have been sticking needles in their arms since they were teenagers. He'll wake up from this and do something new. Like become a landscape gardener or something. My god the entire peloton has been using for years. They're fine.

 

[M Sport]

In Italy, doping is a crime, right?
Docs are not priests, they are required by law to pass on criminal knowledge, even if it regards their patients.

Like I said, In the countries I mentioned that comes in the form of a court order. Not from a Doctor deciding he is going to pass on information on his own accord.

Italy could be different, but somehow I doubt it.

 

[Cloxxki]

A court order I suppose is when the court wants to know something. A doc doesn't need to wait for that. He can take the phoen and call the police on his own initiative, and should be expected to do so without delay.
Leaking to the press, that's the police's job, and they handle that role just fine. I would have to think longer on what I would expect a doc to keep his mouth shut about, seperate from what the law may actualy prescribe.
I suppose that after my call to the police, if a reporter asks me, I'd feel less guilty for repeating the same words I offered to the police minutes ago, especially if they failed to tell me to keep it under my hat. The truth about a criminal act should not be a bad thing to say. The slightest insignificant medical detail on the patient's chart, without court order I'd only take to the grave.

 

[rhubroma]

Oh stop the drama. You guys love to talk it up. Ricco is fine. Remember these guys have been sticking needles in their arms since they were teenagers. He'll wake up from this and do something new. Like become a landscape gardener or something. My god the entire peloton has been using for years. They're fine.

The guy nearly died!

 

[Lanark]

The guy nearly died!

Yeah, but that was 'just' an accident. He didn't nearly die because he is a bigger doper than the rest, this could have happened to anyone.

I don't really see a comparison to Pantani. Pantani was a coke addict even when he was cycling, he had severe mental problems, nearly unlimited funds, no social support, surrounded by vultures who wanted to keep him on his bike so they could earn some momey of his fame etc. Non of that applies to Riccò.

Of course he could have mental issues (narcissism at the very least ), but we don't know that. For all we know, maybe his decission was completely calculative: ''I have a wife and child I have to take care of, the only way I can have a succesfull career and make a lot of money for them is by doping, so I'll take that risk'' .

 

[Cloxxki]

Kharma can't kill you.

But that won't stop it from trying.





I sure hope he was doping "one last time" to ensure a great university future for his child before the big scary venture into real life with jobs and bills.

 

[kease7]

Roger Hammond

Did anyone just see him on Eurosport news talking about Ricco???

Very honest interview, complaining about the managers as well

 

[The Valley]

"Filippo Pozzato (Katusha) has warned that the latest scandal to involve Riccardo Riccò will have consequences for the credibility of the sport"

And this is Pozzato saying this? Yeah, like he's never dipped into the sherbet bag!

 

[rhubroma]

Yeah, but that was 'just' an accident. He didn't nearly die because he is a bigger doper than the rest, this could have happened to anyone.

I don't really see a comparison to Pantani. Pantani was a coke addict even when he was cycling, he had severe mental problems, nearly unlimited funds, no social support, surrounded by vultures who wanted to keep him on his bike so they could earn some momey of his fame etc. Non of that applies to Riccò.

Of course he could have mental issues (narcissism at the very least ), but we don't know that. For all we know, maybe his decission was completely calculative: ''I have a wife and child I have to take care of, the only way I can have a succesfull career and make a lot of money for them is by doping, so I'll take that risk'' .

I haven't met a world class cyclist that didn't have narcissism at the very least.

 

[Met de Versnelling]

Cav: "I hope he becomes somebody's ***** <female dog> in prison"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/video-cavendish-aldag-and-kelly-react-to-ricco-doping-news

(Oh come on... I hate it when the filter blocks stuff on the main site.)