Riccò hospitalized for possible kidney ailment

[DAOTEC]

you better tell dear John

Him spilling the beans again: John Fahey, president of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), has confirmed that they consider to increase the penalty for doping sinners from two to five years maximum.

"But this battle will never be won, it's in the nature of mankind to cheat, "said Fahey.

 

[Anonymous]

If jeg tausche mes linguas często genoeg, then het volk forstår ana ikke y pensare, Я sou mucho klug. Rifletti!

Beaucoup emoticons.

That looks like Dutch, German, French and Spanish all in one sentance, with a bit of Russian thrown in.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Wow! How many languages did you actually cram into that? I'm picking out more than a few...

 

[Martin318is]

That's what you mods also are very good at !



Playing good cop bad cop hmmm it's getting symantic ...

My grandmother always used to say: "There is a fine line between what you need to know and what you want to know, but all there is to know is 'Opus Dei'

All anyone has asked is that you support your legal opinion because you are so adamant that you are correct. Why is that so hard to do?

 

[Skandar Akbar]

That's what you mods also are very good at !



Playing good cop bad cop hmmm it's getting symantic ...

My grandmother always used to say: "There is a fine line between what you need to know and what you want to know, but all there is to know is 'Opus Dei'

Listen to this guy.

He goes on for pages about this secret EU law, then claims if he divulges it the enemy 'sleeping on one ear' will learn about it. Give me a break like authorities in Italy are waiting for some clown on CN forums to break loose with this secret info.

He's just yanking the chains with his conspiracy talk andhis protect the weak from the oppreser stance.

 

[Anonymous]

Wow! How many languages did you actually cram into that? I'm picking out more than a few...

Possibly seven?

 

[MarkvW]

Refine the Issue

The EU affords people certain individual rights that the member states cannot transgress, notwithstanding the member states' laws.

Daotec isn't attempting to explain what those rights are or how they were transgressed in Ricco's case. He is just making conclusory statements, which may or may not be correct.

But that's all about criminal penalties, and nobody knows enough now to speak authoritatively about whether or not an Italian crime has been committed. Nobody has outlined the law, and the facts (rumors) about what happened are still unsettled.

As to the suspension side, the ECHR has not demonstrated any keenness in taking bike doper cases. I'd like some information before I accept any conclusory statements on that issue.

 

[neineinei]

If jeg tausche mes linguas często genoeg, then het volk forstår ana ikke y pensare, Я sou mucho klug. Rifletti!

Beaucoup emoticons.

If (English) I (Danish/Norwegian bokmål) change (German?) my (French) languages (Interlingua/Latin/French/?) often (Polish) enough (Dutch), then (English) the people (Dutch) understand (Danish/Norwegian bokmål) ana (?) not (Danish/Norwegian bokmål) y (?) think (French/Spanish/Latin), Я (Russian?) sou (?) very (Spanish) wise (German). Reflect! (Italian). Many (French) emoticons (English).

Wiktionary

Two small changes that will bring even more changing of languages: Jeg > Eg (Icelandic/Faeroes/Norwegian nynorsk) and forstår > förstår (Swedish).

 

[fatandfast]

daotec I find it refreshing that you see any help from the government as an overstep. Should the doctor or EMT just say to Ricco "you got yourself into this mess get yourself out of it". Should any self administered medical procedure that goes awry be looked at as just a personal freedom? Thou has the right to f@#k ones self up. I am sure there are levels of medical activity that can be done to yourself using the same needle,bag and tubing that even without proper paperwork from a doctor would not be criminal . His activity and materials are going to be viewed not like a diabetic but like a heroin user. We are not even out of winter and this pin cushion needs some blood? to do what? go on a longer training ride? The guy is a social time bomb. If you are right..and certainly don't know..I think as a patriot and person that cares deeply about self determination you should write,call or email Ricco . Letting him know you care and that his civil liberty may be getting soiled he would love to hear your opinion I am sure. I will bet all this could have been avoided had Ricco washed out the old Silca pump hose he was using for the transfer.

 

[DAOTEC]

enlightening

All anyone has asked is that you support your legal opinion because you are so adamant that you are correct. Why is that so hard to do?

It is no opinion, it's in writing and called 'Law'. You will be surprised Martin on what legal issues or scientific details cases are being won. And if you win, they (AMA) will make sure there will not be a re visit for the same.

Listen to this guy.

He goes on for pages about this secret EU law, then claims if he divulges it the enemy 'sleeping on one ear' will learn about it.

Yup, is called case sensitive ... no secret ... you'll be amazed how lazy and little the enemy 'realy' knows, what the media gets fed is all window dressing.

Give me a break like authorities in Italy are waiting for some clown on CN forums to break loose with this secret info

not what I said, but these delusional infidels from CAS, WADA etc., who think are above the law, sent by god and operating within an impecceble framework portrayed by me as pocketing gipsies and thiefs are.

He's just yanking the chains with his conspiracy talk andhis protect the weak from the oppreser stance.

it's The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing But The Truth.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That is exactly what these illegal pocketing criminal infidels like WADA, UCI, CAS, TAS etc. do al the time, with these illiterate cyclists (athletes), and at the end make you agree ending up with 1 year out and ruined for life like Berto ... with them having a party from ur money on your grave shuffing champagne and Kaviaar in a Swiss el dorado.

God knows, I love a good conspiracy - sadly this is not a good conspiracy.

You do realise that Berto has not agreed (quite strongly in fact) to any sanction - which btw is done by the RFEC and not any of the above named.

'certain cases' 'sometimes': That sounds a litt diff, say less of a firm statement isn't it ...

'information to the authorities': But again this only applies to National law, and still depends on the nature of it, the state of mind it was presented by, to whoom, in what context and above all in this case denied afterwards ...

you will soon find out ...

no he is not, you simply don't know what your rights are, and live by the rules imposed by the winners from yesterday.

Great - then please show us where Riccos rights are in relation to doping, such a pity he did not think of going to Strasbourg for his first sanction.

 

[Anonymous]

Dude, all this talk of infidels you are starting to sound like you are planning to blow up the UCI and then march into the forum with a bomb strapped to your chest and destroy everything.

You are almost scary, in a weird disturbing kind of way Like some sort of weird love child of the hog, manuel from fawtly towers and a religious fundamentalist. THere are going to be people come on here in the morning who are going to be completely lost by this conversation. Take it from me, as someone qualified to comment on these matters. Youre barking.

maybe im just thick but i am seriously confused:?

 

[hrotha]

I got kind of lost. Are you still arguing that doping is not illegal in Italy or have you moved on to greener pastures already?

 

[Anonymous]

I got kind of lost. Are you still arguing that doping is not illegal in Italy or have you moved on to greener pastures already?

If you work it out can you leave a message so that come the morning we can all be put out of our misery. Im completely lost.

 

[Skandar Akbar]

If you work it out can you leave a message so that come the morning we can all be put out of our misery. Im completely lost.

He's saying he knows of these super secret EU rights the authorities are not even aware of, and if he divulges them on the forum then the oppressed will not be able to trick the evil authorities with them in the trial. Or something like that.

 

[Anonymous]

He's saying he knows of these super secret EU rights the authorities are not even aware of, and if he divulges them on the forum then the oppressed will not be able to trick the evil authorities with them in the trial. Or something like that.

ah.. right..

 

[Skandar Akbar]

ah.. right..

Now that you are up to speed, to further clarify apparently the evil oppressors and media never make the same mistake twice after one of the oppressed gets off using these super secret rules. So, there is a dwindling supply of these secret rights, which would make the plight of the oppressed even more in peril if he divulged the one Ricco plans to use. Apparently since there is not an infinite supply, one of the oppressed is eventually gonna be SOL.

I'm glad I wrote that down. I didn't realize I was so confused on this issue until I started trying to cliff note daotec's manifesto.

 

[DAOTEC]

hole in one

God knows, I love a good conspiracy - sadly this is not a good conspiracy..

There you go, cause the once you like never have a happy end

You do realise that Berto has not agreed (quite strongly in fact) to any sanction - which btw is done by the RFEC and not any of the above named.

I know, can't you read you're a Dr. and at the end make you agree. RFEC is just the beginning and already with cold feet in the case at once.

Great - then please show us where Riccos rights are in relation to doping.

no, no pretty Dr. in this work you have to dig them up, you get nothing for granted, but the payoff thereafter is bitter sweet. no, no talk of doping (yet)> it's transfusion

such a pity he did not think of going to Strasbourg for his first sanction.

agree, but only if he was sanctioned without that disgusting pentiti/confession... he would have been on the bike much sooner (the Keisse move), with the legal process still ongoing for rehabilitation. The Cobra took the wrong road, hauled with the enemy, pays the price for that now, and will end up a paria.

Dude, all this talk of infidels you are starting to sound like you are planning to blow up the UCI and then march into the forum with a bomb strapped to your chest and destroy everything.

You are almost scary, in a weird disturbing kind of way

No need, open your eyes, ever seen something so self distructing ...

I got kind of lost. Are you still arguing that doping is not illegal in Italy or have you moved on to greener pastures already?

never said that > read again naughty boy ... but still Doping is not illegal according to European law

If you work it out can you leave a message so that come the morning we can all be put out of our misery. Im completely lost.

that's called clinic blind serious, time for a shrink maybe ?

 

[indurain666]

There you go, cause the once you like never have a happy end ...


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This discussion is as clear as mud.

Daotec, I want to believe that you have a valid point, argument or theory (somewhere) would you mind explaining us what is it?

If you really want to come across as smart and knowledgeable I suggest you stop the whole cryptic opus dei conspirancy davinci code crap. Instead, use simple words, cite references or if its a theory the please clearly outline it and throw it out so that us dumbasses can discuss it

Einstein once said "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough"

 

[M Sport]

Here in many of the European states, and I believe England as well, that is not the case. If a crime comes to light during the medical treatment a doctor has in most cases the right to decide whether to inform the authorities and in certain situations is obliged to inform the authorities, neglected to do so can either result in criminal charges (including conspiracy, co-committance or aiding and abbetting) or in charges before the ethics board and a possible loss of their license.

Totally incorrect. Please people if you're coming on here appearing to post fact then please make sure it's right.

Patient confidentiality is protected in the UK under statute and common law; these are the Human Rights act, Data Protection act, Common Case Law and Administrative Law.

Like I said last night there are some circumstances where a Doctor must supply information, these are cases where either a court has made a court order or, there is an instance of serious crime about to be committed and persons are in imminent danger. Serious crime is, murder, rape, grievous assault. Serious crime is most certainly not someone transfusing their own blood.

If a Doctor releases information in other circumstances they would face disciplinary proceedings.

Here is a document that covers some of this information.

http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh...@dh/@en/documents/digitalasset/dh_4069254.pdf

 

[Martin318is]

It is no opinion, it's in writing and called 'Law'. You will be surprised Martin on what legal issues or scientific details cases are being won. And if you win, they will make sure there will not be a re visit for the same.

Wow - such a patronisinng tone from someone who STILL fails to get the point. Put simply:

Yes, I KNOW that if what you say is true it must be written down. The LAW exists on paper, not in your head. The point that you keep dodging is that you have produced a contrary claim to the accepted understanding of the law and instead of being able to point to the actual document that supports your point you instead dance around in seemingly random bizare statements invoking infidels.

Good luck with that logic. Sigh

 

[Anonymous]

Totally incorrect. Please people if you're coming on here appearing to post fact then please make sure it's right.

Patient confidentiality is protected in the UK under statute and common law; these are the Human Rights act, Data Protection act, Common Case Law and Administrative Law.

Like I said last night there are some circumstances where a Doctor must supply information, these are cases where either a court has made a court order or, there is an instance of serious crime about to be committed and persons are in imminent danger. Serious crime is, murder, rape, grievous assault. Serious crime is most certainly not someone transfusing their own blood.

If a Doctor releases information in other circumstances they would face disciplinary proceedings.

Here is a document that covers some of this information.

http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh...@dh/@en/documents/digitalasset/dh_4069254.pdf

well the document (data protection act) i signed the other day gives authority for the doctor/etc to contact the authorities if i put my life at risk or the lives of other people. Bear in mind that killing yourself is a criminal offence. Therefore if i killed myself tranfusing my own blood (or put my life at risk doing so) i would be commiting serious criminal offence.

as i said earlier, on that basis, I would say that Ricco was endangering his own life.

Anyway, who cares, its out in the open now, the doctor might get struck off and if so I will have sympathy for him, as i would for instance a doctor who assisted with euthenasia. There will always be clever lawyers who can get round the rules from both sides.

 

[M Sport]

Wow - such a patronisinng tone from someone who STILL fails to get the point. Put simply:

Yes, I KNOW that if what you say is true it must be written down. The LAW exists on paper, not in your head. The point that you keep dodging is that you have produced a contrary claim to the accepted understanding of the law and instead of being able to point to the actual document that supports your point you instead dance around in seemingly random bizare statements invoking infidels.

Good luck with that logic. Sigh

I think you will find the two statutes and common law, plus the NHS guidelines I posted the link to cover the law in the UK. The European law will be similar or will actually grant more confidentiality privileges to the patient.

Happy reading.

 

[Anonymous]

that's called clinic blind serious, time for a shrink maybe ?

I already have one, i see her on Mondays. Thats the only reason ive managed to stay sane in this thread up to now. Im thinking of pursueding her to sign up for the forum.

 

[M Sport]

well the document (data protection act) i signed the other day gives authority for the doctor/etc to contact the authorities if i put my life at risk or the lives of other people. Bear in mind that killing yourself is a criminal offence. Therefore if i killed myself tranfusing my own blood (or put my life at risk doing so) i would be commiting serious criminal offence.

The difference with Ricco is the act had already been committed, there was no further risk to himself as he was in emergency being treated. Even in circumstances where a Doctor may think the patient is in danger there is clear protocol to be followed, in this instance not only was there no further danger but even if there was then procedures were not followed.

Anyway, who cares, its out in the open now, the doctor might get struck off and if so I will have sympathy for him, as i would for instance a doctor who assisted with euthenasia. There will always be clever lawyers who can get round the rules from both sides.

Everyone has an opinion, just don't confuse it with the law.