Riccò hospitalized for possible kidney ailment

[flicker]

It's pretty obvious that he(Ricco) and Vania were in collusion. And that they (together) cooked up this story. That way he could get his pro contract and she could get the man of her dreams at a later date!


I'm only halfway kidding ....

For the sake of Vania and her child, I wish them the best, now move on, in life you only get one chance.

 

[luckyboy]

Its ok. I think Dao has killed this thread. It died a death as soon as he started going on about Infidels.

Man I lost this thread for a few pages back there.

 

[skidmark]

Well, read into it what you like, but to me it seems quite obvious that it was for Ricco to keep his distance from doping allegations. Regardless, the point is moot now.

Yes, I agree that's what it was for, it does seem obvious. I'm just saying the effect it had on cynical clinicians (forumites, not doctors) was likely the opposite. Just playing with the use of the word 'preserve', which I take from the quotes you meant in irony anyway, as he had no reputation to preserve in the first place.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Sorry I had my facts wrong. My issue is he abandoned his girlfriend and child. For all the wrong reasons. He sent me the wrong messages about relationships and parenthood. Are you saying that he re-united with her after her B sample was found negative. Are those the Olson twins in your avatar?

He'd reunited with her before the B-sample was found negative. Many think he never actually split with her at all, just felt he had to keep his distance for career purposes (as he was still hoping his team could do Milan-San Remo and the Giro at that point) - they were seen together at the Coppi e Bartali stage race in March. Vania's brother is on Ceramica Flaminia and a lot bigger than Riccò, I think there may have been some fallings-out if it was as bad as it looked.

The avatar is two members of the German biathlon team dressing up as Bavarian dirndls, because that's what they are.

 

[tj_durrant]

I'm not sure if anyone has already said this but isn't it goodd news that Ricco had to administer his blood himself. He couldn't find a doctor willing to do it?

 

[Benotti69]

I thought in cases like Riccos', his crew just drove him down to the doorstep of the Emergency wing, opened the door at about 15 MPH, gave Ricco a good swift kick and sped off. License plates covered of course.

Nah Flickie your think of TeamPharmastrong where they leave you bleeding on the side of the road while calling the anti doping authorities to catch you...

 

[Benotti69]

OK let me see if I understand you right.
Leaving the mother of your child because she is a doper - bad.
Leaving the mother of your children because she is no longer as hot as the strippers - somehow forgivable.
Is that about right?

héll yeah dude, hollywood dream as it is being lived á la Charlie Sheen

 

[Barrus]

The next time Flicker or anyone else tries to hijack a thread into Armstrong territory, please pm me or report it

 

[Benotti69]

I'm not sure if anyone has already said this but isn't it goodd news that Ricco had to administer his blood himself. He couldn't find a doctor willing to do it?

Landis was doing it himself in 2006 so it does not necessarily mean too much. we dont know the exact details. It is a possibility that Ricco wasn't doing it on his own and those who were helping also helped him to hospital or call an ambulance and he made the claim that he did it himself to protect them. Italian police are investigating that he had help.

 

[Ferminal]

Landis was doing it himself in 2006 so it does not necessarily mean too much. we dont know the exact details. It is a possibility that Ricco wasn't doing it on his own and those who were helping also helped him to hospital or call an ambulance and he made the claim that he did it himself to protect them. Italian police are investigating that he had help.

Even USPS were doing it in Girona, according to Floyd.

What gets me is how it goes from your fridge in Spain to the team bus in the Alps. Or from your house in Italy to your hotel in Paris.

It seems like there "has" to be someone to run "logistics" - whether it's a doctor, assistant, manager, brother, sister, father, wife, dog.

Not so hard when it's a race in your own country, as far as we can tell, Vania was probably the person who would have handled logistics for Ricco, at least in the Giro.

 

[joe_papp]

It seems like there "has" to be someone to run "logistics" - whether it's a doctor, assistant, manager, brother, sister, father, wife, dog.

Yes, of course there is someone else to handle logistics, but you only need one person: primarily to secure and "hold" the blood and then bring it to you on-site just before re-infusion, covertly delivering it to you as close to the moment of transfusion as possible to limit the detection time during which you possess the evidence.

 

[Galic Ho]

Even USPS were doing it in Girona, according to Floyd.

What gets me is how it goes from your fridge in Spain to the team bus in the Alps. Or from your house in Italy to your hotel in Paris.

It seems like there "has" to be someone to run "logistics" - whether it's a doctor, assistant, manager, brother, sister, father, wife, dog.

Not so hard when it's a race in your own country, as far as we can tell, Vania was probably the person who would have handled logistics for Ricco, at least in the Giro.

Seriously? You haven't heard. Motorbikes with refrigerated paniers on the side to hold blood bags. Brought directly to the hotel doors. That one was around years back. JV and Frankie talked about it in their MSN chat and suggested Floyd had photos of the damn things. Old news.

 

[hrotha]

Seriously? You haven't heard. Motorbikes with refrigerated paniers on the side to hold blood bags. Brought directly to the hotel doors. That one was around years back. JV and Frankie talked about it in their MSN chat and suggested Floyd had photos of the damn things. Old news.

And Floyd suggested he had no idea what they were talking about.

 

[Galic Ho]

And Floyd suggested he had no idea what they were talking about.

Didn't hear that. When did Floyd say that? I'll assume between now and last year sometime since he came clean. Maybe someone can ask Jeff Novitsky. Either way, was an interesting suggestion when I first heard it. Original and daring.

 

[Barrus]

It was in the Kimmage interview, now get of the Landis discussion

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Even USPS were doing it in Girona, according to Floyd.

What gets me is how it goes from your fridge in Spain to the team bus in the Alps. Or from your house in Italy to your hotel in Paris.

It seems like there "has" to be someone to run "logistics" - whether it's a doctor, assistant, manager, brother, sister, father, wife, dog.

Not so hard when it's a race in your own country, as far as we can tell, Vania was probably the person who would have handled logistics for Ricco, at least in the Giro.

As has been pointed out Landis said he did most of the transfusions himself - but yes, there is the logistics of trasportation to consider - and it is not cheap.

Mr. Landis said he hired a Spanish doctor in Valencia to take transfusions, and paid one person $10,000 to make two separate deliveries of half-liter bags of blood during the 2005 Tour de France. Each time, the person posed as a fan who wanted a jersey signed at the end of a stage. Mr. Landis signed it and the man handed him a nondescript package containing the blood, which Mr. Landis put in his jersey pocket, he explained. Mr. Landis said he transfused the blood himself.

 

[Ferminal]

Seriously? You haven't heard. Motorbikes with refrigerated paniers on the side to hold blood bags. Brought directly to the hotel doors. That one was around years back. JV and Frankie talked about it in their MSN chat and suggested Floyd had photos of the damn things. Old news.

So there's a convoy of motorbikes coming over from Spain before each rest day? Everyone would be different, T-Mobile went off site.

The point is, he couldn't be doing it alone, someone has to help him (be that Vania or someone else) so the police investigation should consider that.

Unless we believe that it's the first time Ricco's stored blood at home.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

So there's a convoy of motorbikes coming over from Spain before each rest day? Everyone would be different, T-Mobile went off site.

The point is, he couldn't be doing it alone, someone has to help him (be that Vania or someone else) so the police investigation should consider that.

Unless we believe that it's the first time Ricco's stored blood at home.

It's not implausible that it's one of the first times he has, however - remember Operation Cobra Red? That had the homes of many who had been in contact with Riccò searched, including former Ceramica Flaminia teammate Enrico Rossi, brother of Vania. It could be that, though nothing was turned in from those searches, that those raids removed a few 'safehouses' from his list that he may have been using off and on to that point so that he had to store at home with little other choice.

 

[Ferminal]

It's not implausible that it's one of the first times he has, however - remember Operation Cobra Red? That had the homes of many who had been in contact with Riccò searched, including former Ceramica Flaminia teammate Enrico Rossi, brother of Vania. It could be that, though nothing was turned in from those searches, that those raids removed a few 'safehouses' from his list that he may have been using off and on to that point so that he had to store at home with little other choice.

You're right, it sounds so risky living in Italy.

 

[DAOTEC]

¿ now that is interesting ¿

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"Riccardo Riccò è formalmente indagato dalla Procura di Modena per presunta violazione dell'articolo 9 della legge antidoping."

This is confirmed by intelligence sources.

 

[Jamsque]

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"Riccardo Riccò è formalmente indagato dalla Procura di Modena per presunta violazione dell'articolo 9 della legge antidoping."

This is confirmed by intelligence sources.

Intelligence sources? DAOTEC, do you have a mole in MI5 or something now?

 

[biopass]

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"Riccardo Riccò è formalmente indagato dalla Procura di Modena per presunta violazione dell'articolo 9 della legge antidoping."

This is confirmed by intelligence sources.

What does it say?

 

[GreasyMonkey]

What does it say?

Rough translation is that Ricardo Ricco has been formally indicted on charges under Article 9 of the Anti Doping laws by the Modena Procurate.

My Italian is not that flash, please correct if I am wrong.

 

[biopass]

Rough translation is that Ricardo Ricco has been formally indicted on charges under Article 9 of the Anti Doping laws by the Modena Procurate.

My Italian is not that flash, please correct if I am wrong.

So they told him he was under investigation?

 

[krebs303]

My translator came up with he is being "formally investigated"