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Cobra is a legend, one of my favorite riders of all time. i always hoped he would make a comeback, i have no doubt he will return only to test positive after a few months. But man it will be worth it
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Fully agree. The sport needs more Ricco’s, less Froomes.
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Amen. If it's gonna be a circus, let's at least have some clowns! A circus filled with accountants is... meh.

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This^^^

1 million times this!

I wish that we could have seen what happened if Ricco was popped after the 2008 TDF... Sastre’s attack on AdH would have looked like a sprinter trying to make the time cut in comparison to what Ricco would have unleashed :sad:
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Needed Ricco to never be suspended. Imagine the Cobra single handidly taking on the Sky train! Froome’s seated attacks would be nothing against the Cobra out of the saddle on the drops!
 
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Ricco is really one of those cases where someone (UCI) should just go "Okay! Enough is enough! You've had your second chance, you're out!"
Otoh, I'm really looking forward to seeing him try to find a team? I don't think there are that many teams who'd sign a 40-year-old repeat-offence doper...
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I think they kinda thought they'd done that when they handed him a 12 year ban.

They obviously didn't account for his sheer stupidity and never envisaged that he'd start talking about a comeback at the age of 40 :lol:
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Yeah, guess so. "Hmm... they'll probably be people saying lifetime is too harsh. 12 years! No way he'll attempt to come back then!"
 
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Tells us that Ricco runs an ice cream shop Choco Loco a El Palmar in Tenerife.
(What a coincidence!)

Let me translate a few bits:

Valverde is like vinegar the older he gets the stronger he gets.
I like Aru.
Sagan is great for cycling.
Nibali is the best we have.
(NO MENTION OF FROOME :confused: )

Using a motor is another thing - I've never tried using one. It would make me feel 'merda'.

His wife later comments:
This tranquil Riccardo you see now is a false impression - he's a sleeping vulcano!
 
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Ricco needed a Doctor Frankenstein.........not Frankenstein......Frankensteen........he still would have run amok at the finish, trashed the Salbutamol chamber, burned the blood bank to the ground........last seen riding a mountain bike through the Black Forest so fast that he was causing brush fires..........
 
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No comeback in 2024:

www.cyclingnews.com

Riccardo Riccò handed lifetime doping ban

“I was a talented little bully, an idiot who threw away money and a career"
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He was live on IG last night and briefly talked about it.
Doesn't really care about it and won't appeal the decision. He's just sad to be in the news again like he's done something bad now, while he's been simply managing his business the past few years.
 
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I am trying to understand how you can be busted for doping when you are already serving a doping suspension and you don't have a racing licence.
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I don't think Ricco was busted for doping, he was busted by police for dealing in EPO & Testosterone, so that's against anti-doping rules. Clearly he was working within cycling still as dealing to other cyclists unless he was buying 30 EPO doses just for some Strava fun all to himself lol!
 
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I don't think Ricco was busted for doping, he was busted by police for dealing in EPO & Testosterone, so that's against anti-doping rules. Clearly he was working within cycling still as dealing to other cyclists unless he was buying 30 EPO doses just for some Strava fun all to himself lol!
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Then it becomes a legal matter assuming Italy has a criminal code for Anti-Doping - Yes, charge any of the sports people if they are part of their sports testing pool - In effect, Ricco could do the same today and CONI can do nothing.
 
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Well the 2008 and 2012 offences were while he was an International-level athlete, so fell under CONI. ie the 20 months, then the 12 years ban. UCI respected those and didn't appeal. The 2015 offence he wasn't an International level athlete anymore because he was already suspended, so he fell under NADO Italia's jurisdiction who decided the 3rd offence justified a lifetime ban.

I agree, I have no idea what happens after a lifetime ban if you offend again in terms of NADO Italia, but French Courts gave him a suspended prison sentence for the 2008 offence, Italian Courts game him suspended prison sentence for the 2015 offence. For a NADO to not santion even someone serving a lifetime ban I thing would make them look foolish, although have no idea if this has ever needed to be thought about, I'd say Ricco took it further than anyone in terms of both criminal and anti-doping. I'd assume he would probably serve an actual prison sentence if he violated again in Italy.
 
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Well the 2008 and 2012 offences were while he was an International-level athlete, so fell under CONI. ie the 20 months, then the 12 years ban. UCI respected those and didn't appeal. The 2015 offence he wasn't an International level athlete anymore because he was already suspended, so he fell under NADO Italia's jurisdiction who decided the 3rd offence justified a lifetime ban.

I agree, I have no idea what happens after a lifetime ban if you offend again in terms of NADO Italia, but French Courts gave him a suspended prison sentence for the 2008 offence, Italian Courts game him suspended prison sentence for the 2015 offence. For a NADO to not santion even someone serving a lifetime ban I thing would make them look foolish, although have no idea if this has ever needed to be thought about, I'd say Ricco took it further than anyone in terms of both criminal and anti-doping. I'd assume he would probably serve an actual prison sentence if he violated again in Italy.
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Theoretically if an athlete in the testing pool had illegal dealings with Ricco, they could be charged with a doping infraction - Then again lots of current pros associate with Armstrong ( not that I am suggesting untoward is happening ) so it can be a fine line for governing bodies.
 
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Anyone can be charged, you don't need to be in a pool. A pool is simply what separates International level riders from National-level, Every amateur and National level rider is still subject to their NADO in e.g. most road races held under NGB rules. You can be tested at any time and many have and you can be part of investigations and many have.
 
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Anyone can be charged, you don't need to be in a pool. A pool is simply what separates International level riders from National-level, Every amateur and National level rider is still subject to their NADO in e.g. most road races held under NGB rules. You can be tested at any time and many have and you can be part of investigations and many have.
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This gets to another issue of whether resources should be aimed at 'weekend warriors' who in practice are effectively amateurs - It's a discussion for another thread.
 
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Well NADO anti-doping at that level is typically paid for by the race organiser unless the race or a rider in it is specifically targeted by the NADO as part of a wider strategy. In terms of Ricco , NADO Italia charging him is simply a formality of him charged with a criminal offence involving buying doping products stolen from a hospital with another pro cyclist.
 
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samhocking said:
Anyone can be charged, you don't need to be in a pool. A pool is simply what separates International level riders from National-level, Every amateur and National level rider is still subject to their NADO in e.g. most road races held under NGB rules. You can be tested at any time and many have and you can be part of investigations and many have.
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Correct. At Pro Conti and WT you need to be in the testing pool, and at Continental level and below you need to be to race UCI category races from memory.

Below Continental it is optional but anyone trying to progress will be in the pool as well. Even if you aren't tested OOC, you're still fully subject to any in competition tests.
 
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