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I don't like him and never will. But of course he deserves his second chance, those are the rules.

+ the way he and his S-D teammates (+Kohl) spoiled mountain stages of 2008 Tour was a disgrace. It was so obvious and I remember the satisfaction when they got caught.
 
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franciep10 said:
I kind of like Ricco, sure he's an arrogant douche bag but he's fun to watch

that little *** WAS only fun to watch b/c he was doped to the gills. arrogance does not get you to the top of mountains, hard work does & he obviously had/has no interest in work, just cheating. when are you people going to stop standing behind these b*tches ruining our beloved sport?

"the tifosi is behind me"?! get f*cking real. not this one
 
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van nelle said:
I don't like him and never will. But of course he deserves his second chance, those are the rules.

+ the way he and his S-D teammates (+Kohl) spoiled mountain stages of 2008 Tour was a disgrace. It was so obvious and I remember the satisfaction when they got caught.

Ricco is rightly nicknamed after a serpent - he is unlikable period.
I always had a soft spot though for Piepoli (of the SD team): he always seemed so modest and ready to tow his teammates up a steep hill and then let them win.
I was sorry to see him dispatched along with Ricco in such disgrace.
 
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Scum of the earth

The little **** ant seems to be right, judging by the majority of you lot, when he claims that cycling "fans" don't care if their "heroes" (ha-ha-ha) are doped when they perform their glorious feats. Tell me what his sponsor is trying to sell and I'll tell you what I'm never going to buy.
 
tgsgirl said:
I'm saying I find it hypocritical that everyone seemingly wants doping to go away yet praises riders who attacked like madmen because they were juiced up to their eyeballs.

So it's more acceptable to sit on a train of "juiced to the eyeballs" teammates while they tow you into position to unleash your one conclusive attack, while "juiced to the eyeballs". Or to follow the wheels and never get in the wind until you are one of the last few left standing, while "juiced to the eyeballs". Or to rip off an almost unbelieveable TT in the last week of a GT because of your awesome powers of recovery, while "juiced to the eyeballs".
The guys who "attack like madmen" do it because it is their nature, the guys who fail dope tests do it because they were unlucky or pissed off the powers above or wound up in the right place to serve as a scapegoat. Not because they are the only ones "juiced to the eyeballs".

Edit: Perhaps it is time we moved this thread to its rightful place in the clinic?
 
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van nelle said:
I don't like him and never will. But of course he deserves his second chance, those are the rules.

+ the way he and his S-D teammates (+Kohl) spoiled mountain stages of 2008 Tour was a disgrace. It was so obvious and I remember the satisfaction when they got caught.

He has had a second chance as far as i am aware he was caught as a junior . . . . . I say RicNo to the Dopbra
 
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slowoldman said:
My thoughts exactly. I love how people on this forum love certain riders attacking style (Valverde, Vino, Ricco). They completely overlook that when you are doped to the gills it is easier to do that very thing (attack when everyone else is gassed).QUOTE]

The only thing worse and deserving of more derision than a doper is someone who rides like they're clean. Unexciting, wheel sucking, no panache, diesels, you know, loosers.
 
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FignonLeGrand said:
He has had a second chance as far as i am aware he was caught as a junior . . . . . I say RicNo to the Dopbra

I simply do not believe in giving dopers a second, third or forth chance. This "I'm sorry" BS, or "Ooops, I made a mistake" BS, is just that, pure unadulterated BS. We have doping in cycling because we have doping in our society and people are sympathetic to people who use dope for all the obvious reasons. What we don't want to admit is that people who use dope are abusive to others in a thousand different ways. Ricco, himself, seems to believe that a lot of people will welcome him back because he knows doping is tolerated. Cheats like cheats. It affirms them and this forum seems to evidence the fact that he is correct. This, of course, is pathetic. Some people work hard to win, while others cheat in order to win. It is impossible for me to understand how the latter has become acceptable. Some body should ride over the guy and all the people like him. NOTHING SHORT OF A LIFE TIME BAN IS APPROPRIATE. I really do not want to see this guy again. He spoiled the Giro with his behavior and destroyed the TDF. Who knows how long he was doping. The fact that Patani is his hero should speak volumes. Patani's career was beset by drug abuse allegations after a failed blood test in the 1999 Giro d'Italia. He died after a cocaine overdose in 2004. This is a hero? Well, I guess that works for cheaters.

Frankly, some people are just better than others, and as long as they are able to perform at their peak, it will always be that way, but I like the guy who finishes second, third, on and on because they are making it a race. Advertisers would have you believe differently but we should be able to make up our own minds about things, and in this case, I do not welcome Ricco back.
 
slowoldman said:
My thoughts exactly. I love how people on this forum love certain riders attacking style (Valverde, Vino, Ricco). They completely overlook that when you are doped to the gills it is easier to do that very thing (attack when everyone else is gassed). I hope he falls off the back on the first grade steeper than a driveway and cries all the way back to Italy and becomes one heck of a house painter (to paraphrase Zulle).

+1 agree slowoldman..........
 
TRDean said:
I said it too...Totally agree tgsgirl!!! What is so hard to understand? Hypocritical to say the least. Hell, I don't even like the bike throwing tantrums.

TRDean and Tgsgirl are spot on .................to many hypocrits post on this forum............dopers ruin our sport..........
 
Willy_Voet said:
LOL we cheer the ones who haven't been caught and scorn those who have.

"Cheaters have no place in our sport"? You must weep every time you watch a race.

I don't know about others, but I only support riders I think are clean. Actually, that'd be quite an interesting topic for The Clinic - who are your favourite riders/teams, do you think they're clean, and if not, how can you criticise people who have been caught? ...
 
slowoldman said:
My thoughts exactly. I love how people on this forum love certain riders attacking style (Valverde, Vino, Ricco). They completely overlook that when you are doped to the gills it is easier to do that very thing (attack when everyone else is gassed). I hope he falls off the back on the first grade steeper than a driveway and cries all the way back to Italy and becomes one heck of a house painter (to paraphrase Zulle).

And you conveniently overlook Contador and the Schlecks being doped to the gills? Or do you not enjoy any riders?

It would be a very boring if you couldn't enjoy anyone who has been near the needle.

Lucky for the French...
 
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reubenr said:
I simply do not believe in giving dopers a second, third or forth chance. This "I'm sorry" BS, or "Ooops, I made a mistake" BS, is just that, pure unadulterated BS. We have doping in cycling because we have doping in our society and people are sympathetic to people who use dope for all the obvious reasons. What we don't want to admit is that people who use dope are abusive to others in a thousand different ways. Ricco, himself, seems to believe that a lot of people will welcome him back because he knows doping is tolerated. Cheats like cheats. It affirms them and this forum seems to evidence the fact that he is correct. This, of course, is pathetic. Some people work hard to win, while others cheat in order to win. It is impossible for me to understand how the latter has become acceptable. Some body should ride over the guy and all the people like him. NOTHING SHORT OF A LIFE TIME BAN IS APPROPRIATE. I really do not want to see this guy again. He spoiled the Giro with his behavior and destroyed the TDF. Who knows how long he was doping. The fact that Patani is his hero should speak volumes. Patani's career was beset by drug abuse allegations after a failed blood test in the 1999 Giro d'Italia. He died after a cocaine overdose in 2004. This is a hero? Well, I guess that works for cheaters.

Frankly, some people are just better than others, and as long as they are able to perform at their peak, it will always be that way, but I like the guy who finishes second, third, on and on because they are making it a race. Advertisers would have you believe differently but we should be able to make up our own minds about things, and in this case, I do not welcome Ricco back.


While I eat, drink, breathe everything cycling, including training and racing at the highest level possible for me let's keep things in perspective here ok? We are talking about racing bicycles, not running for the office president/prime minister, not running for the papacy, not teaching children in educational institutions, but a sporting event, something that is meant as entertainment. Do you deride all other sports with equal vehemence? Look at american football, baseball, soccer (football to the rest of the world) do you think there is any less doping going on in those sports? Or is that the fans really don't care about that aspect and sit back and watch it for it's entertainment value? Actually, for example, in american football the cheating has added to the entertainment, look what happens when you see players eye gouging or taking guys out at the knees, don't you sit there and say with a face twisted in mock pain, "Daaaamn! That $h!t had to hurt" and smile and enjoy the rest of the game. Or do you say anything when you see a soccer player running up and down the field in full out sprints for the entire game, taking command of the ball at will, do you think he is not doing "something"?

Personally I have raced with many people who have doped and I never let it get to me and the best feeling I had was when I beat someone I knew was on a program. Listen, I don't condone doping at all, it's just a part of sport, not just cycling, you can't take it personally when your favorite cyclist gets busted, it's not like he is coming to your house and smacking your mother in her head.

Now for the other part, if doping supposedly equals the playing field (which it doesn't) when we saw Ricco making fools of all the other climbers in the Giro, why couldn't they respond to his attacks? That difference is talent, better training, confidence in oneself (and we know Ricco sure as hell doesn't lack that), a sharp mind to know when to attack and the willingness to risk it all. In order to be a successful *doped* cyclist you have to have all of these characteristics without naturally or you'll just be doped pack fodder (and there are plenty of them). I am not a Ricco fan but just acknowledging the fact that he has these traits. And I still believe that he needs someone to kick him in the a$$.

Reuben, I'm not coming down on you just trying to convince you to not feel so personally wounded when someone dopes, gets busted and comes back, you are going to wind up feeling betrayed and hating the sport, a sport that you obviously have passion for, otherwise you wouldn't be here. If you are going to feel betrayed about something it's better you direct your ire to the politician that lied to you and is now taking more money from you when you helped put him in office.

That's just two cents
 
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tgsgirl said:
I'm saying I find it hypocritical that everyone seemingly wants doping to go away yet praises riders who attacked like madmen because they were juiced up to their eyeballs.

TRDean said:
I said it too...Totally agree tgsgirl!!! What is so hard to understand? Hypocritical to say the least. Hell, I don't even like the bike throwing tantrums.

Yes! I think the three of us are on the same page here.

Ferminal said:
And you conveniently overlook Contador and the Schlecks being doped to the gills? Or do you not enjoy any riders?

It would be a very boring if you couldn't enjoy anyone who has been near the needle.

Lucky for the French...

Don't overlook those riders at all. I hope they're all caught if they are doping. And when they do I will feel the same of them.

9000ft said:
The only thing worse and deserving of more derision than a doper is someone who rides like they're clean. Unexciting, wheel sucking, no panache, diesels, you know, loosers.

Wow. Panache doesn't only come through needles. I will take a clean "boring" rider anyday. I have more respect for riders who ride with their own strength. Of which they're not a lot I would suspect. I have absolutely no respect for riders who find their panache in syringes, that shows me absolutely nothing. I refuse to condone cheating in exchange for more excitement in my entertainment.

Hugh Januss said:
So it's more acceptable to sit on a train of "juiced to the eyeballs" teammates while they tow you into position to unleash your one conclusive attack, while "juiced to the eyeballs". Or to follow the wheels and never get in the wind until you are one of the last few left standing, while "juiced to the eyeballs". Or to rip off an almost unbelieveable TT in the last week of a GT because of your awesome powers of recovery, while "juiced to the eyeballs".
The guys who "attack like madmen" do it because it is their nature, the guys who fail dope tests do it because they were unlucky or pissed off the powers above or wound up in the right place to serve as a scapegoat. Not because they are the only ones "juiced to the eyeballs".

Edit: Perhaps it is time we moved this thread to its rightful place in the clinic?

I never said it was acceptable to do anything of the sort. I just get tired of people on this forum who say they are against doping yet hold riders that have been caught in such high regard strictly because they ride aggressively. As I said before, it is much easier to ride aggressively when doped to the gills. It is artificial at best, and cheating in fact.
 
slowoldman said:
I never said it was acceptable to do anything of the sort. I just get tired of people on this forum who say they are against doping yet hold riders that have been caught in such high regard strictly because they ride aggressively. As I said before, it is much easier to ride aggressively when doped to the gills. It is artificial at best, and cheating in fact.

You are missing the point. They are all doping (for sake of argument, we'll say almost all). If they were all clean the same guys would be the attackers the same guys would be the cool calculators and the same guys would be the wheel suckers. Within 10% margin of error, just 3-5 KPH slower.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
You are missing the point. They are all doping (for sake of argument, we'll say almost all). If they were all clean the same guys would be the attackers the same guys would be the cool calculators and the same guys would be the wheel suckers. Within 10% margin of error, just 3-5 KPH slower.

I find it sad that you say that.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
You are missing the point. They are all doping (for sake of argument, we'll say almost all). If they were all clean the same guys would be the attackers the same guys would be the cool calculators and the same guys would be the wheel suckers. Within 10% margin of error, just 3-5 KPH slower.

No I am not missing the point. In fact, I agree with you that most are probably doping as I intimated in my previous post. I will not say all. I disagree that the same would be attackers and the same wheel suckers. You don't know that. There may be clean "wheel suckers" (and no I am not insinuating any particular riders) who may be able to attack if everyone was clean. And again, I would watch the riders CLEAN if they were 3-5 kph slower. But as the dopers get caught, I will react to them in the same way I react to Ricco's return.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
I find it sad that you say that.

Nothing sad about having your eyes open. What is sad is all the people who can say Ricco is a bad man he doped Valverde is a bad man too and Basso and Ullrich and DiLuca and Hamilton Perez Heras Hondo Landaluze Lozano Alfred Jaksche Landis Mayo Vino Honchar Kessler Moreni Kashechkin Decker Pena Muraglia O'Neill Piepoli Sinkewitz Vila Bossoni Beltrán Dueñas Sella Fofonov Schumacher Kohl Astarloa Mazzoleni Rebellin Colom Pollack Ribeiro Nozal Bosisio they are all bad men. Add in all the others I didn't bother to list and all those implicated to various degrees, and then try to tell me that your guy whoever that may be is clean. He is just 10-15% stronger naturally than all the other elite level cyclists in the world so he can keep up without doping. And it must be true because gosh darn it he speaks the same language as me and he said he was "anti-doping".
Please.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Nothing sad about having your eyes open. What is sad is all the people who can say Ricco is a bad man he doped Valverde is a bad man too and Basso and Ullrich and DiLuca and Hamilton Perez Heras Hondo Landaluze Lozano Alfred Jaksche Landis Mayo Vino Honchar Kessler Moreni Kashechkin Decker Pena Muraglia O'Neill Piepoli Sinkewitz Vila Bossoni Beltrán Dueñas Sella Fofonov Schumacher Kohl Astarloa Mazzoleni Rebellin Colom Pollack Ribeiro Nozal Bosisio they are all bad men. Add in all the others I didn't bother to list and all those implicated to various degrees, and then try to tell me that your guy whoever that may be is clean. He is just 10-15% stronger naturally than all the other elite level cyclists in the world so he can keep up without doping. And it must be true because gosh darn it he speaks the same language as me and he said he was "anti-doping".
Please.
Have a look at the age of those riders... I think there are still some big fish that haven't been caught but saying all are is wrong. If you want me to go into detail lets take it to the clinic.

Are you reffering to me Ferminal?
 
auscyclefan94 said:
Have a look at the age of those riders... I think there are still some big fish that haven't been caught but saying all are is wrong. If you want me to go into detail lets take it to the clinic.

Are you reffering to me Ferminal?

I am referring to anyone who can enjoy a cyclist one day, and overnight change their mind if that cyclist is sanctioned - as if it's some shock horror.

Positive tests are no indication of the level of doping.