Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

[BYOP88]

Condescending if she was a native English speaker, informative if she wasn't.

And what are you, her bodyguard?

Keep telling yourself that.

What's it to you?

 

[TheGame]

Before:

After:

Dang that chin

What is of greater concern is the fact his nose has moved and his left ear has grown

 

[Ripper]

With a TT like today's, knowing the course inside and out and also being a good accelerator/climber would be critical. I believe MS had done some good stage previews. And Q-man obviously has the skills.

Ugly weather today!

 

[thehog]

CN race report mentions the Sky team tactics. And tactics definitely make a difference when it comes down to a skirmish like a finish on wet roads covered in white paint at the end / penultimate stage of a multi-stage race, no question.

I can imagine the scenario:

DS: Righto lads. Richie: at the end of the stage, I want you to ride away from Alberto Contador, Sammy Sanchez, Rojas and Pieter Weening, and whoever else manages to make the final selection.
Richie: No problem.
Clinic:

It's all well and good coming up with tactics, but executing them? Not always so simple.

What is of greater concern is the fact his nose has moved and his left ear has grown

Phrenology!

He's going to turn into the hunchback of Norte Dame if he's not careful.

Brailsfords pies are going to kill this kid.

He looks heavier than when he was at Saxo.

I bet you a million dollars he drops about 7-10kg between June and July just before the Tour.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Can't lay the blame at Sky's door, given cycling's history. They walked into a clean sprt did they? Indeed, considering the general narrative of Sky's doping is that, after 2010's poor season, they hired Leinders so they could compete with a doped peloton. Who's to blame for that?

Who exactly said 'I'm goingto give clean cycling a chance' btw?

Yes I can.

 

[The Hitch]

Maybe Fränk Schleck should have been on those instead of xipamide then.

I heard he tried them on a stage in the tds once

After the stage bjarne decided it wasnt a good idea.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Yes I can.

No you can't

We could be here all day

 

[Benotti69]

Can't lay the blame at Sky's door, given cycling's history. They walked into a clean sprt did they? Indeed, considering the general narrative of Sky's doping is that, after 2010's poor season, they hired Leinders so they could compete with a doped peloton. Who's to blame for that?

Who exactly said 'I'm goingto give clean cycling a chance' btw?

So Sky are doping and it is the fault of the others so that excuses them?

I dont think so. Makes them as bad if not worse after their declarations of doing it clean especially after Brailsford produced a tome of ZTP and showed Kimmage with a promise to do it clean!

But Sky are doing nothing new in the sport, teams doped before, teams are doping now and it looks likely that teams will dope in the future.

 

[the sceptic]

at least Jimmy has finally come to terms with Sky doping

 

[Benotti69]

at least Jimmy has finally come to terms with Sky doping

But he is trying to blame others for it.

That Sky are doping means imo the whole track side of things also has a program.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

No you can't

We could be here all day

And you'd lose every time.

I just blamed them again completely nullifying the premise of your post.

. . .

 

[Dear Wiggo]

País Vasco TTs:

2012 (Oñati, 19km)
3 Tony Martin (OPQ) +6"
4 Marco Pinotti (BMC) +15"
5 Damiano Cunego (LAM) +16"
6 Joaquím Rodríguez (KAT) +22"

2010 (Orio, 22km)
1 Chris Horner (RSH) 32'33"
2 Alejandro Valverde (GCE) +8"

7 Marco Pinotti (THR) +25"
8 Joaquím Rodríguez (KAT) +33"
9 Jean-Christophe Peraud (OLO) +33"

2008 (Orio, 20km)
1 Alberto Contador (AST) 29'10"
2 Cadel Evans (SIL) +22"
4 Damiano Cunego (LAM) +49"
7 Stefan Schumacher (GST) +1'17"
9 Sandy Casar (FDJ) +1'23"
10 Marco Pinotti (THR) +1'23"

2007 (Oiartzun, 14km)
3 Juan José Cobo (SDV) +4"
4 Damiano Cunego (LAM) +14"
8 Egoi Martínez de Esteban (DSC) +47"
9 Davide Rebellin (GST) +47"
10 Cadel Evans (PRL) +55"

That's like a who's who in the doping world.

 

[peterst6906]

That's like a who's who in the doping world.

Really? You want to accuse Pinotti of being part of a who's who, but leave out a whole heap of others?

Any sources to Pinotti's links to doping?

 

[hiero2]

Why not tell poor Andy & Basso.

BTW it won't improve your bike handling skills. losing fear isn't enough.

Reminds me of a Roadrunner cartoon:

AAAAii
_____y
______e
_______e
________e
_________e
_________e
_________e
_________e
_________e
_________e
_________e
_________splat.

 

[hiero2]

No you can't

We could be here all day

Against chewie, you could be here ALL WEEK.

But don't. Take a chill pill, and y'all take it easy, hear?

Posted in mod mode.

H

 

[luckyboy]

Really? You want to accuse Pinotti of being part of a who's who, but leave out a whole heap of others?

Any sources to Pinotti's links to doping?

I agree about Pinotti, obviously. But that list was to contrast the results of some other riders to the TTers such as Pinotti and Martin, no?

 

[peterst6906]

I agree about Pinotti, obviously. But that list was to contrast the results of some other riders to the TTers such as Pinotti and Martin, no?

Possibly. Its difficult to tell with DW.

 

[jilbiker]

Phrenology!

He's going to turn into the hunchback of Norte Dame if he's not careful.

Brailsfords pies are going to kill this kid.

He looks heavier than when he was at Saxo.

I bet you a million dollars he drops about 7-10kg between June and July just before the Tour.

That is is the fascinating thing about this sky juice, Henao looks heavier than last year yet is is climbing like a mountain goat and an improved time trial. Porte looks more bulked up (muscle wise) than last year yet improved power numbers? Yet Froome looks thinner than last year and seems like more power.

My take is that this sky juice is custom made and super much like the Balco juice. And it is independent of physique.

 

[roundabout]

You are joking, right?

 

[XlandaluzeX]

time to modify the recipe, put some more sugar on it!!!

 

[blackcat]

I am confused? The Vuelta for most appearances mid race onwards, Froome looked much cleaner than the Spanish cohorts who made the final podium.

I was just giving a theoretical possible reason for Froome not being on level with the three ahead of him. Think of them as baby steps. Froome was all over the shop in 2012. Sick, not racing, suddenly racing, not racing, back racing and uber epic strong, Olympic medal strong, then down on the past 2 months but still too strong. I simply thought he was going whole hog too long and his body couldn't take it.

Something has to give. It's about TIMING. Always has been. Getting the little things right. Dotting your 'i's and crossing your 't's is what one has to do. Froome was in his first year of mega huge doping. There are always learning curves. Can we say the same for the Spanish guys? Nope...been there, done that. Hence why the finished ahead. Sky IMO have learnt enough to not only bridge any gaps, but extend them to the challengers and their rivals. Hence why they're trying to win everything they enter. They know they can because they have the KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE to pull it off.

Froome did not look much cleaner.

Froome did look like a guy who flirted with beating his teammate in july.

Froome looked like he had not prepared his race program and doping program, to win in july and september.


your premise is, doping and form in july = doping and form in september. i contest this.

 

[42x16ss]

That is is the fascinating thing about this sky juice, Henao looks heavier than last year yet is is climbing like a mountain goat and an improved time trial. Porte looks more bulked up (muscle wise) than last year yet improved power numbers? Yet Froome looks thinner than last year and seems like more power.

My take is that this sky juice is custom made and super much like the Balco juice. And it is independent of physique.

Sky are probably minimising risk and only using what they know their riders respond to best. Whence Henao and Porte are able to be relatively solid, while Wiggins and Froome look like they could disappear in a strong breeze.

Horses for courses.

 

[Bratam]

I bet you a million dollars he drops about 7-10kg between June and July just before the Tour.

Careful now. 7-10kg's is an enormous amount to lose when you are under 70kg's. However I wouldn't bet against him losing 3-5kg's in that period.

 

[JimmyFingers]

So Sky are doping and it is the fault of the others so that excuses them?

I dont think so. Makes them as bad if not worse after their declarations of doing it clean especially after Brailsford produced a tome of ZTP and showed Kimmage with a promise to do it clean!

But Sky are doing nothing new in the sport, teams doped before, teams are doping now and it looks likely that teams will dope in the future.

That wasn't my point at all, not even close. My point was in response to Chewie saying Sky started an arms race, and I pointed out that if Sky are doping it would be to compete with the dopers, like it's always been. I'm saying Sky didn't start this, unless you, like Chewie, think the sport was clean when Sky started?

It's a theoretical model, not necessarily representative of my beliefs or opinions, but rather exploring possibilities. It's cheap to misrepresent what people say, try not to in future.

 

[Bratam]

That wasn't my point at all, not even close. My point was in response to Chewie saying Sky started an arms race, and I pointed out that if Sky are doping it would be to compete with the dopers, like it's always been. I'm saying Sky didn't start this, unless you, like Chewie, think the sport was clean when Sky started ?

C'mon Jimmy, you can do better than this.