Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

[SeriousSam]

And Richie P smashes the time trial as expected

 

[the sceptic]

did Richie softpedal the last part again to be less obvious? same as that time the bot commentators couldn't believe their own eyes at how fast he was going.

 

[The Hitch]

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Porte put 8 seconds in Kwiatkowski who is not even a GT rider.

Ok. So no rider can EVER improve? Kwiatkowski in his short career hasn't been a gt rider so he can never ever ever become a gt rider. Any good performance he does will forever be explained by everyone else sucking.

By the same token, Wiggins never improved to win the Tour de France. 133 other riders all regressed at the same time.

Because every rider will forever only be as good as movingtarget decides he is allowed to be. Improvements and regression Don't exist.

PS the last time I remember seeing this argument was 2 years ago when Froome beat Santamborgio and Horner in Tirreno. The performance, dozens of now banned posters, rushed in to tell us, can't have been good because he only beat a 41 year old, and a average domestique.
Of course Santamborgio later ended up dropping gt winners in the giro while Horner posted the 2nd fastest Angliru time ever. I didn't think there were any posters stupid enough to make this argument again after that.
PS2 This isn't a gt. So "Kwiatkowski isn't a gt rider" is a pretty dumb argument as well.

As of now Kwiatkowski is not a GT rider. Konig is a GT rider. I never said he will never be one, that is your imagination. What I was reacting to was that every time Porte does anything in a race it's made fun of or people assume he is doing something than many others are not doing. Fuglsang also finished 8 seconds behind Porte another sign that Porte's ride was not out of this world. Geraint Thomas finished with Porte oh but he is a Sky rider I suppose that is what it comes down to. Kwiatkowski is young and he has a different body shape to some of the better classics riders so his future in regards to GTs is still open. I suppose Astana are much better than Sky in regards to being clean, the poor victimised Astana. What a joke. Porte is laughed at by many when he wins and when he fails I often wonder why people bother watching the sport at all me included. As for Horner it sounds like he only beat another doper anyway so it's all a bit of a circus. But may the white light that is Kwiatkowski ride into the future dope free and one day become a GT rider of substance. That is not meant to be a pun.

You seem to have been born without logic. If you say Rider A was not suspicious because he only beat Rider B by x ammount of seconds you are placing imaginary limits on how good rider B can be. By this extremely flawed bizzare logic dozens of the worst, most dodgy performances in cycling history automatically become totally normal.

Just because Froome sucked in early August 2011 doesn't mean he was no good in late August 2011. By your logic every other rider in the 2011 Vuelta had 21 consecutive bad days in the 2011 Vuelta because Froome was "not a gt rider" at the time.

 

[sniper]

what do we have on Porte?
Does he have any lies or public slips of the tongue on his record, any Bilharzia, asthma, or documented suspicious weight loss? Any connections to dodgy docs?
If you look at Porte, it actually seems possible to dope and get great results without setting off all sorts of alarms like Wiggins and Froome have. Respect.

 

[blackcat]

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I still don't think that Porte is a grand tour winner - not even with the Sky magic marginal gains pillows

but Pillows and meta nutella. = porte diet =/= nutella

Does this meta nutella also promote weightloss with out power loss?

this is the secret of sky marginal gainsTM.

Ask the crew at Sky, or the empire crew. they will tell you.

 

[blackcat]

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what do we have on Porte?
Does he have any lies or public slips of the tongue on his record, any Bilharzia, asthma, or documented suspicious weight loss? Any connections to dodgy docs?
If you look at Porte, it actually seems possible to dope and get great results without setting off all sorts of alarms like Wiggins and Froome have. Respect.

he comes from Tasmania? he is quite small? 59 kg is jockey weight with quadriceps. Little richie is little.

 

[DA_Man]

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what do we have on Porte?Does he have any lies or public slips of the tongue on his record, any Bilharzia, asthma, or documented suspicious weight loss? Any connections to dodgy docs?

He just has a TUE on awesomeness.

He gets high on life.

 

[zalacain]

Been away for a while. Watched P-N finale today. First since last July. Nothing has changed then?

 

[Irondan]

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what do we have on Porte?
Does he have any lies or public slips of the tongue on his record, any Bilharzia, asthma, or documented suspicious weight loss? Any connections to dodgy docs?
If you look at Porte, it actually seems possible to dope and get great results without setting off all sorts of alarms like Wiggins and Froome have. Respect.

he comes from Tasmania? he is quite small? 59 kg is jockey weight with quadriceps. Little richie is little.

With big quads..

 

[Franklin]

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what do we have on Porte?

Any connections to dodgy docs?

Oh, nothing, except he worked with Leinders as did the rest of the boys. And of course he was part of the 2011 AC team that slamdunked everyone in the GT's.

Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Actually, Richie did next to nothing in those 2011 GTs. It was a huge regression from his 2010 breakthrough, although he lost quite a lot of time on every mountain stage in that legendary 2010 Giro, a state of affairs which rapidly turned around upon his 2012 renaissance. I can't recall if he had illness or injury that caused the anomalous 2011 poor season though.

 

[The Hitch]

I think that may have been sarcasm since AC's 2011 teams were some of the worst a gt winner ever had.

 

[Franklin]

The year of the absent teammates

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

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Actually, Richie did next to nothing in those 2011 GTs. It was a huge regression from his 2010 breakthrough, although he lost quite a lot of time on every mountain stage in that legendary 2010 Giro, a state of affairs which rapidly turned around upon his 2012 renaissance. I can't recall if he had illness or injury that caused the anomalous 2011 poor season though.

Doubt the injury since he had good ITT's all season
Looked more like a case of "I'm not interested in helping my leader"

 

[burning]

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Actually, Richie did next to nothing in those 2011 GTs. It was a huge regression from his 2010 breakthrough, although he lost quite a lot of time on every mountain stage in that legendary 2010 Giro, a state of affairs which rapidly turned around upon his 2012 renaissance. I can't recall if he had illness or injury that caused the anomalous 2011 poor season though.

Doubt the injury since he had good ITT's all season
Looked more like a case of "I'm not interested in helping my leader"

Agreed, it was clear that he was not happy in Saxo but he sucked in P-V and Romandie so maybe he had no climbing legs during 2011.

 

[rm7]

Will he be able to sustain this shape into the Giro? He seems to be in very good form too early i think.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

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Will he be able to sustain this shape into the Giro? He seems to be in very good form too early i think.

Sky's "marginal gains" approach allows them to peak year round.

 

[DA_Man]

With the marginal gains protocol you can hold the peak indefinitely.

In reality, until your kidneys and liver fail, but who cares about the long term health effects of the new PED when you're taking off like a rocket now?

Why come off?

 

[DA_Man]

You know, you have to hand it to WADA and the UCI for being ingenuous enough to think that the biological passport was going to stop riders from taking stuff.

It's like proposing cocaine addicts crazy-glue their nostrils to prevent use of the drug.

The way these doping and governing authorities think is so backwards it's not even funny.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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You know, you have to hand it to WADA and the UCI for being ingenuous enough to think that the biological passport was going to stop riders from taking stuff.

It's like proposing cocaine addicts crazy-glue their nostrils to prevent use of the drug.

The way these doping and governing authorities think is so backwards it's not even funny.

Oh, they were thinking ahead. The point behind the WADA standard was always to put enough complexity in front of permitting doping.

Why do you think the federations are the ones with the authority to open cases?

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Will he be able to sustain this shape into the Giro? He seems to be in very good form too early i think.

Sky's "marginal gains" approach allows them to peak year round.

Moose,

They vanish in September. Just in time for the world championships.. Except when the Olympics happened. Then it's time to beat the TT specialists.

Perfectly natural.

 

[SeriousSam]

"I'm really in the best form of my life right now. This is massive to win for the second time a race you'd been watching and to do it twice. I had a hellish season last year but I'm back. It's great for my confidence ahead of the Giro,

Be afraid, be very afraid. If he can avoid bad days and climb at a better than Ax3 level consistently, there is no limit to what he can do in races the Dawg doesn't ride.

 

[Singer01]

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Will he be able to sustain this shape into the Giro? He seems to be in very good form too early i think.

Sky's "marginal gains" approach allows them to peak year round.

Moose,

They vanish in September. Just in time for the world championships.. Except when the Olympics happened. Then it's time to beat the TT specialists.

Perfectly natural.

sky don't ride at the world championships, except the TTT.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Will he be able to sustain this shape into the Giro? He seems to be in very good form too early i think.

Sky's "marginal gains" approach allows them to peak year round.

Moose,

They vanish in September. Just in time for the world championships.. Except when the Olympics happened. Then it's time to beat the TT specialists.

Perfectly natural.

sky don't ride at the world championships, except the TTT.

I think it was Inrng that discussed the reason why they did the TTT. Essentially, the UCI demanded they do it.

Ok, but the fact that Sky riders are routinely beating an elite field some 6+ months of the year and September comes along and they don't want to win any more? Does that remind you of anyone in particular who later turned out to be dopers? And yes, the dopers used the same excuse, "I'm tired! Long season! "

At least the Colombians show up and give it a proper effort and actually show some legitimate consistency.

Froome? Nope. Porte? Nope. Wiggo? Nope. JTL? Oh, wait...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Re: Re:

Will he be able to sustain this shape into the Giro? He seems to be in very good form too early i think.

Sky's "marginal gains" approach allows them to peak year round.

Moose,

They vanish in September. Just in time for the world championships.. Except when the Olympics happened. Then it's time to beat the TT specialists.

Perfectly natural.

Yep. They vanish in the rain too.