Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

[Singer01]

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Will he be able to sustain this shape into the Giro? He seems to be in very good form too early i think.

Sky's "marginal gains" approach allows them to peak year round.

Moose,

They vanish in September. Just in time for the world championships.. Except when the Olympics happened. Then it's time to beat the TT specialists.

Perfectly natural.

sky don't ride at the world championships, except the TTT.

I think it was Inrng that discussed the reason why they did the TTT. Essentially, the UCI demanded they do it.

Ok, but the fact that Sky riders are routinely beating an elite field some 6+ months of the year and September comes along and they don't want to win any more? Does that remind you of anyone in particular who later turned out to be dopers? And yes, the dopers used the same excuse, "I'm tired! Long season! "

At least the Colombians show up and give it a proper effort and actually show some legitimate consistency.

Froome? Nope. Porte? Nope. Wiggo? Nope. JTL? Oh, wait...

i'm confused, isn't wiggins the world TT champion, didn't that happen in september?

 

[Saint Unix]

Wiggins isn't part of the alien mode squad any more, though. His GC ambitions ended after his epic crash and burn in Italy in 2013.

 

[JimmyFingers]

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Wiggins isn't part of the alien mode squad any more, though. His GC ambitions ended after his epic crash and burn in Italy in 2013.

Hush now, that sounds dangerously like logic. Apparently holding form for most of the season but fading for the Worlds is proof of doping. Don't question it, questioning doesn't work and gets you being accused of being a troll. Just bandy about terms like 'Brailsfraud', 'cleans' and 'alien' and you'll be welcome with open arms.

 

[alspacka]

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i'm confused, isn't wiggins the world TT champion, didn't that happen in september?

Yeah it's nonsense. Kiri has been 4th both ITTs with Sky. Suitsou top 10 also. In the RR EBH was 2nd a couple of years ago, and Uran probably would've won if not for a late crash. British squad have been awful obviously.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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i'm confused, isn't wiggins the world TT champion, didn't that happen in september?

You are not kidding about that confusion part.

For a while, Wiggo had to lose weight to do well. And he did! He won a grand tour! He placed extremely well in another before that when things were so clean and he didn't have to lose weight for that, or did he?

Anyway, then things blow up in the Sky camp and Sir Brad gets his own team (???) and has to gain weight to do well. And it happens!

Clean! Skinny? Fat? Track? Road? Mountains? Who knows!?!?!

There's no up or down.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Wiggins isn't part of the alien mode squad any more, though. His GC ambitions ended after his epic crash and burn in Italy in 2013.

Hush now, that sounds dangerously like logic. Apparently holding form for most of the season but fading for the Worlds is proof of doping. Don't question it, questioning doesn't work and gets you being accused of being a troll. Just bandy about terms like 'Brailsfraud', 'cleans' and 'alien' and you'll be welcome with open arms.

I know we disagree on this topic, and that's why the Sky/Wiggo/Froome/Porte threads are so ridiculously long.

Let's just leave it at agree to disagree.

 

[Singer01]

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i'm confused, isn't wiggins the world TT champion, didn't that happen in september?

You are not kidding about that confusion part.

For a while, Wiggo had to lose weight to do well. And he did! He won a grand tour! He placed extremely well in another before that when things were so clean and he didn't have to lose weight for that, or did he?

Anyway, then things blow up in the Sky camp and Sir Brad gets his own team (???) and has to gain weight to do well. And it happens!

Clean! Skinny? Fat? Track? Road? Mountains? Who knows!?!?!

There's no up or down.

are you responding to my post? i said wiggins won the TT in september, then you went on what i can only describe as a rather esoteric rant. i like your style.

 

[The Hitch]

Lol Jimmy´s trolling is getting so desperate. 1 poster said something about sky not being on form for the world's and already he's trying to ridicule.it as a theory held by the entire forum

 

[shalgo]

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[Archibald]

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Yep. They vanish in the rain too.

downhill too, especially downhill...
don't mentiono wet descents. Whoah, baby, now there's a vanishing act!!

 

[ebandit]

conceptual

Lol Jimmy´s trolling is getting so desperate. 1 poster said something about sky not being on form for the world's and already he's trying to ridicule.it as a theory held by the entire forum

it's an idea............and quite a valid one..........so much about team sky holding form all year........then
criticism that this form is not held long enough through the worlds............

others need not worry about 'lil richies poor descending in the wet......the swimming coach has fixed that

and returned with bigger stronger 'aqua' lungs ready for the giro

Mark L

 

[markene2]

I feel like Team Sky is North Korea. And they spew out all this propaganda that the west is laughing at, while we are trying to reach them. Like this, That swiming is behind Porte's return to form. All at the account of magical Kerrison!

Well as you can see, it didnt help Kashechkin anything, it made him worse.

Jerk...


sarcasm

 

[blackcat]

kerrison or gennadi touretski needed to teach Kash on his such $hit stroke form. you can even tell from this form, his cadence is out of whack from this stroke technique. this is why brailsford and sky are such geniuses, they see swimming and cycling from multiple cross-sport perspectives.

 

[samhocking]

You're assuming the only way to approach peak fitness is using +50 year Matveyev / Bompa type periodization approach to training fitness as still used by most others teams and amateur sports who simply buy in bolt on sports science they can purchase through doctors etc or use what is available for free. No other team has 25 years of their own sports science and data and even if Sky are doping, it can't explain constant training focus or form. Remember Brailsford's 20 year plan is not to be the best cycling team, it's to be the best sports team the World has ever seen. He is not going to get there reading a Tudor Bompa training manual and bolting on a few Leinders for the doping side.

To think contant training focus or peak form is all possible simply from doping, is displaying complete naivety as to just how much sports science data Sky & British Cycling are using to re-write periodization. It may well involve doping, but they are re-writing sports science nonetheless and every other team will have to play catchup just like those have had to over the last 15 years on the track.

 

[Franklin]

So Sam, then why did they hire Leinders?

 

[TailWindHome]

The swimming to improve breathing was in Rocky 3, no?

 

[skippythepinhead]

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You're assuming the only way to approach peak fitness is using +50 year Matveyev / Bompa type periodization approach to training fitness as still used by most others teams and amateur sports who simply buy in bolt on sports science they can purchase through doctors etc or use what is available for free. No other team has 25 years of their own sports science and data and even if Sky are doping, it can't explain constant training focus or form. Remember Brailsford's 20 year plan is not to be the best cycling team, it's to be the best sports team the World has ever seen. He is not going to get there reading a Tudor Bompa training manual and bolting on a few Leinders for the doping side.

To think contant training focus or peak form is all possible simply from doping, is displaying complete naivety as to just how much sports science data Sky & British Cycling are using to re-write periodization. It may well involve doping, but they are re-writing sports science nonetheless and every other team will have to play catchup just like those have had to over the last 15 years on the track.

If it "involves doping" then the data are all 0. So far the "science" says you can't build a dominant team with a systematic approach to training without equivalent advance in pharmacological use and detection avoidance. The sheer number of riders using drugs OOC argues that current programs are built on an entire system of lies given a veneer of legitimacy with vague hints about revolutionary training methods. Eliminating Nutella? Sheer genius, Sir Dave!

If Sky are "re-writing sports science" head over to the book signing early, I'm sure there will be competition to be first to throw good money after bad for an autographed copy. There always is.

 

[Franklin]

Well, you must realize that Sam is not only clueless about cycling as hesdisplays by his fantasy notion that Sky is the first dominating team ever, he's also absolutely clueless about Fitness science.

He makes it sound as if Sky is revolutionizing periodization... but let me dig up a few scientific quotes:

Russian sport science expert, Prof. Yuri Verhoshansky, questions the validity of
Matveyev’stheoryofperiodization, considers it outdated and provides detailed
criticism on why the concept is supposed to be unacceptable for contemporary
training. The article appeared originally in Leistungssport, Germany, Vol. 28, No.
5, September 1998.

Sam probably thinks that Sky invented reading and the other sport coaches are illiterate?

In reality conjugate linear methods are being explored for about 20 years.

 

[blackcat]

with scarring on my lungs from pneumonia,
i thought it was best to do some hiking in the offseason
i gave my close personal friend tenzing norgay a call
and we caught up for a relaxing stroll to basecamp
i thought it would be good for my breathing to go to the top
unforunately, on my summit, there were numerous frozen cadavers
i attempted to give them sky marginal gains mouth to mouth resuscitation
i managed to resuscitate a few people, i credit kerrison for the breathing techniques
everest is not an easy ascent and i dont recommend mere mortals do it without oxygen like tenzing and i did
and other sherpas do
i have spoken to sir dave and we are contemplating bringing in a few sherpas as domestiques at sky.
these marginal gains are really revolutionary

 

[Jagartrott]

So 'swimming' is the new euphemism for doping then?
This guy is so fake it's not funny anymore.

 

[The Hitch]

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You're assuming the only way to approach peak fitness is using +50 year Matveyev / Bompa type periodization approach to training fitness as still used by most others teams and amateur sports who simply buy in bolt on sports science they can purchase through doctors etc or use what is available for free. No other team has 25 years of their own sports science and data and even if Sky are doping, it can't explain constant training focus or form. Remember Brailsford's 20 year plan is not to be the best cycling team, it's to be the best sports team the World has ever seen. He is not going to get there reading a Tudor Bompa training manual and bolting on a few Leinders for the doping side.

To think contant training focus or peak form is all possible simply from doping, is displaying complete naivety as to just how much sports science data Sky & British Cycling are using to re-write periodization. It may well involve doping, but they are re-writing sports science nonetheless and every other team will have to play catchup just like those have had to over the last 15 years on the track.

Dont know if this post is serious or sarcasm but in case it is serious or in case people think its serious just wanted to post a reminder that speaking of evidence there is actuaoly literally not a shred of evidence that sky do anything different to anyone else, nor that other teams are stuck with 50 year old training methods. They merely say it is so and their journos and authors reprint it as fact but every training technique theyve supposedly invented has actually been around for decades and is used by everyone. In a recent propaganda piece by slobberingham about how sky will use "science" to beat everyone again over the next few years (using what Brailsford learnt at the sf conference apparently) the only actual advance he was able to attribute to Brailsford and co was the covering up your legs with towells between races to keep warm. And that is a track cycling thing that has no relevance to road cycling and thus cant have had any impact on the road team (unless you want to argue that wiggo doing this a few times in the Beijing Olympics made him a gt great a year later). Even their most corrupt on the take journos cant after 5 yeaes come up with one example of how sky actually revolutionized training in the sport. I think that is telling.

 

[samhocking]

What I'm saying is, No other team has 25 years of their own internal data because traditionally all teams success has come from shared sports science experts and external doping experts bolted onto periodization trqditionally used by any rider or team prepared to pay for it. Ferrari etc. If Sky are simply doing the same, why don't/can't other teams maintain a riders form like seems to be the approach of Sky? Peak form can't be maintained by a rider all season using doping alone and it can't be using periodization by its very definition, it doesn't work like that. Therefore what is it thqg allows this constant form and I'm saying the difference is the team has 25 years of their own sports science learnt on the track. No other Nation or pro cycling team has such data and I'm claiming this is the difference and I believe its just another marginal gain alongside doping, nutrition, fluffy pillows.

 

[Franklin]

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If Sky are simply doing the same, why don't/can't other teams maintain a riders form like seems to be the approach of Sky?

Alberto Contador laughs about your ridiculous post. Your utterly uneducated idea that there aren't other riders with a year round form is hilarious. It shows how much Chamois sniffing hurts critical thinking.

Serious Sam, if you do not understand cycling and are clueless about it's history you will be the guy with the red nose and the large floppy shoes. Sky is not unique, it has precedents... and they are all shown to be doping.

Peak form can't be maintained by a rider all season using doping alone and it can't be using periodization by its very definition, it doesn't work like that.

Sadly that's nosnensical, but considering your lack of understanding of cycling I'm not surprised you have no clue about all of this stuff. Even Conjugate linear methods have some form periodization.

Only Bozo the clown would think Sky is at GT strength right now. We aint seen nothing yet.

Therefore what is it thqg allows this constant form and I'm saying the difference is the team has 25 years of their own sports science learnt on the track. No other Nation or pro cycling team has such data and I'm claiming this is the difference and I believe its just another marginal gain alongside doping, nutrition, fluffy pillows.

Even if we disregard the difference between Track and Road, even if we disregard the long established criticiasm of traditional Periodization... your whole arguments simply exlodes due to other teams having top showings during a whole year. And yeah, that's invariably due to doping.

Sam, you are a funny guy, but the cold hard facts are so differfent from your fantasy that you are dismissed on sight. The whole point is not that Sky is unique. History (and the now!) show many others just like Sky.

And why is Sky so good at it? Well if you read up a bit about USPS and the UCI you might learn something. Hint, it has to do with willingly looking the other way in some cases.

 

[blackcat]

why has this devolved into a discussion of PMS?

 

[the sceptic]

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why has this devolved into a discussion of PMS?

agree, what the bots ITT are suffering with is much more serious.

this thread really is reaching new lows of stupid lately.