Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

[Ryo Hazuki]

and this is aru's first race of the year and the climb didn't suit him at all

 

[msjett]

I still don't think that Porte is a grand tour winner - not even with the Sky magic marginal gains pillows

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

indeed. he always has bad days

 

[movingtarget]

Porte put 8 seconds in Kwiatkowski who is not even a GT rider. Wow. Porte always does well in the shorter stage races, it's the GTs he has trouble with and who did he beat ? No Contador or Froome, Quintana and so on.

 

[del1962]

Is froome joking when he claims porte has now also beaten lances time up Madone, or is he actually serious.

So what, while even dopers could get nowhere near Armstrong, Sky chanced upon not 1 but 2 riders that can ride faster than Armstrong, while totally clean. Do the Sky's 2 or 3 remaining believers even realize how ridiculous a proposition that would be?

Hitch, I think you underestimate how many MAMILs go down to Evan's Cycles on the weekend and buy their favourite SKY kit.

Anyone who follows the sport generally should have a reasonable clue what's going on, but the July / Weekend warriors are an entirely different prospect, I feel.

I cycle regularly in the North East of England in riding over 6000k last year I think I saw perhaps one person in a Team Sky kit.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Whilst only back in the UK for 2-3 weeks/year its normally prime cycling weather.

I did see a Sky kit in Manchester. Haven't seen any in the Tyne Valley.
I have seen one in Atlanta, and it wasn't me looking in the mirror.


I do actually wonder how many people actually buy the kit. Anyone got some hard data on that ?

 

[rick james]

In all my time cycling around scotland I think I can count on one hand the amount of sky tips I've seen

 

[simoni]

Theres a fair few round the Leeds area. But a fair few other jerseys too. Its not like every Uk cyclist is a hopeless fanboy by any means.

 

[blackcat]

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I still don't think that Porte is a grand tour winner - not even with the Sky magic marginal gains pillows

but Pillows and meta nutella. = porte diet =/= nutella

 

[blackcat]

molto nutella pancako

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuSD2z9KSUo

 

[The Hitch]

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Porte put 8 seconds in Kwiatkowski who is not even a GT rider.

Ok. So no rider can EVER improve? Kwiatkowski in his short career hasn't been a gt rider so he can never ever ever become a gt rider. Any good performance he does will forever be explained by everyone else sucking.

By the same token, Wiggins never improved to win the Tour de France. 133 other riders all regressed at the same time.

Because every rider will forever only be as good as movingtarget decides he is allowed to be. Improvements and regression Don't exist.

PS the last time I remember seeing this argument was 2 years ago when Froome beat Santamborgio and Horner in Tirreno. The performance, dozens of now banned posters, rushed in to tell us, can't have been good because he only beat a 41 year old, and a average domestique.
Of course Santamborgio later ended up dropping gt winners in the giro while Horner posted the 2nd fastest Angliru time ever. I didn't think there were any posters stupid enough to make this argument again after that.
PS2 This isn't a gt. So "Kwiatkowski isn't a gt rider" is a pretty dumb argument as well.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Kwiatkowski was there btw 2 years ago in Tirreno, right between Horner and Nibali, only a measly 13 seconds behind Froome

 

[Benotti69]

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and this is aru's first race of the year and the climb didn't suit him at all

Yeah, it was a road going up and he was on a bike, so probably not suited to him.......

 

[SeriousSam]

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and this is aru's first race of the year and the climb didn't suit him at all

Yeah, it was a road going up and he was on a bike, so probably not suited to him.......

It was a very peculiar climb. Just the sort of thing Richie and uhm Geraint excel at. No wonder no one could keep up.

I predict the time trial will be just of the type where R and G are really good at but it won't suit the rest of the peloton at all

 

[Mr.White]

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and this is aru's first race of the year and the climb didn't suit him at all

Yeah, it was a road going up and he was on a bike, so probably not suited to him.......

It was a very peculiar climb. Just the sort of thing Richie and uhm Geraint excel at. No wonder no one could keep up.

I predict the time trial will be just of the type where R and G are really good at but it won't suit the rest of the peloton at all

??? Geraint excel at?! Till this climb, we didn't know on which climbs Geraint excels, cause he never excel on any serious climb (longer than 3km). But Sky magic works again

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Yeah, it was a road going up and he was on a bike, so probably not suited to him.......

It was a very peculiar climb. Just the sort of thing Richie and uhm Geraint excel at. No wonder no one could keep up.

I predict the time trial will be just of the type where R and G are really good at but it won't suit the rest of the peloton at all

??? Geraint excel at?! Till this climb, we didn't know on which climbs Geraint excels, cause he never excel on any serious climb (longer than 3km). But Sky magic works again

must've been sitting in a cave during last year p-n then

 

[Mr.White]

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??? Geraint excel at?! Till this climb, we didn't know on which climbs Geraint excels, cause he never excel on any serious climb (longer than 3km). But Sky magic works again

must've been sitting in a cave during last year p-n then

Then tell me please, "wise guy", what climb we had in last years P-N?

 

[Carstenbf]

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Yeah, it was a road going up and he was on a bike, so probably not suited to him.......
It was a very peculiar climb. Just the sort of thing Richie and uhm Geraint excel at. No wonder no one could keep up.

I predict the time trial will be just of the type where R and G are really good at but it won't suit the rest of the peloton at all

??? Geraint excel at?! Till this climb, we didn't know on which climbs Geraint excels, cause he never excel on any serious climb (longer than 3km). But Sky magic works again

<whoosh>
try disabling sarcasm filter.

 

[gregrowlerson]

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Porte put 8 seconds in Kwiatkowski who is not even a GT rider.

Ok. So no rider can EVER improve? Kwiatkowski in his short career hasn't been a gt rider so he can never ever ever become a gt rider. Any good performance he does will forever be explained by everyone else sucking.

By the same token, Wiggins never improved to win the Tour de France. 133 other riders all regressed at the same time.

Because every rider will forever only be as good as movingtarget decides he is allowed to be. Improvements and regression Don't exist.

PS the last time I remember seeing this argument was 2 years ago when Froome beat Santamborgio and Horner in Tirreno. The performance, dozens of now banned posters, rushed in to tell us, can't have been good because he only beat a 41 year old, and a average domestique.
Of course Santamborgio later ended up dropping gt winners in the giro while Horner posted the 2nd fastest Angliru time ever. I didn't think there were any posters stupid enough to make this argument again after that.
PS2 This isn't a gt. So "Kwiatkowski isn't a gt rider" is a pretty dumb argument as well.

This.

Porte is riding very well at the moment, and Contador will be taking notice. Porte's best is close to Contador's best (despite the major discrepancy in palmares), and it's not a question of whether he can be strong in the third week of a GT (see TDF '13), but whether he can produce twenty-one consistently good days.

Having said that, his current climbing level is probably a little below of what we saw from Froome and Contador last month in Spain. But Richie is well positioned to be in tip top shape come the Giro.

 

[Saint Unix]

Porte was a podium contender for the entire 2013 TdF, except for that one epic failure on the stage after Ax-3, where he seemed to just fade off on the first climb, and then sat in limbo for ages, about two minutes behind the GC contender group while they were riding hard. It was weird as hell. Didn't even seem like he was struggling that much that day.

On the remaining stages he was as good as you could ever expect, considering he was little more than a glorified domestique for The Dawg. It's funny how Sky are the only team who can have one captain who mops the floor with everyone else, and one or two domestiques who are mostly on par the the remaining contenders...

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Re:

Porte put 8 seconds in Kwiatkowski who is not even a GT rider.

Ok. So no rider can EVER improve? Kwiatkowski in his short career hasn't been a gt rider so he can never ever ever become a gt rider. Any good performance he does will forever be explained by everyone else sucking.

By the same token, Wiggins never improved to win the Tour de France. 133 other riders all regressed at the same time.

Because every rider will forever only be as good as movingtarget decides he is allowed to be. Improvements and regression Don't exist.

PS the last time I remember seeing this argument was 2 years ago when Froome beat Santamborgio and Horner in Tirreno. The performance, dozens of now banned posters, rushed in to tell us, can't have been good because he only beat a 41 year old, and a average domestique.
Of course Santamborgio later ended up dropping gt winners in the giro while Horner posted the 2nd fastest Angliru time ever. I didn't think there were any posters stupid enough to make this argument again after that.
PS2 This isn't a gt. So "Kwiatkowski isn't a gt rider" is a pretty dumb argument as well.

This.

Porte is riding very well at the moment, and Contador will be taking notice. Porte's best is close to Contador's best (despite the major discrepancy in palmares), and it's not a question of whether he can be strong in the third week of a GT (see TDF '13), but whether he can produce twenty-one consistently good days.

Having said that, his current climbing level is probably a little below of what we saw from Froome and Contador last month in Spain. But Richie is well positioned to be in tip top shape come the Giro.

First paragraph is good stuff. Without dredging up the whole topic, Porte dominated in his national TT win. If the Sky rules apply, he'll crush it from January to May defying 100 years of human performance convention, then vanish for the rest of the year, also defying human performance history....

To be fair to Porte, he'll ride support in July assuming he rides.

 

[msjett]

Re: Re:

I still don't think that Porte is a grand tour winner - not even with the Sky magic marginal gains pillows

but Pillows and meta nutella. = porte diet =/= nutella

Does this meta nutella also promote weightloss with out power loss?

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

Porte put 8 seconds in Kwiatkowski who is not even a GT rider.

Ok. So no rider can EVER improve? Kwiatkowski in his short career hasn't been a gt rider so he can never ever ever become a gt rider. Any good performance he does will forever be explained by everyone else sucking.

By the same token, Wiggins never improved to win the Tour de France. 133 other riders all regressed at the same time.

Because every rider will forever only be as good as movingtarget decides he is allowed to be. Improvements and regression Don't exist.

PS the last time I remember seeing this argument was 2 years ago when Froome beat Santamborgio and Horner in Tirreno. The performance, dozens of now banned posters, rushed in to tell us, can't have been good because he only beat a 41 year old, and a average domestique.
Of course Santamborgio later ended up dropping gt winners in the giro while Horner posted the 2nd fastest Angliru time ever. I didn't think there were any posters stupid enough to make this argument again after that.
PS2 This isn't a gt. So "Kwiatkowski isn't a gt rider" is a pretty dumb argument as well.

As of now Kwiatkowski is not a GT rider. Konig is a GT rider. I never said he will never be one, that is your imagination. What I was reacting to was that every time Porte does anything in a race it's made fun of or people assume he is doing something than many others are not doing. Fuglsang also finished 8 seconds behind Porte another sign that Porte's ride was not out of this world. Geraint Thomas finished with Porte oh but he is a Sky rider I suppose that is what it comes down to. Kwiatkowski is young and he has a different body shape to some of the better classics riders so his future in regards to GTs is still open. I suppose Astana are much better than Sky in regards to being clean, the poor victimised Astana. What a joke. Porte is laughed at by many when he wins and when he fails I often wonder why people bother watching the sport at all me included. As for Horner it sounds like he only beat another doper anyway so it's all a bit of a circus. But may the white light that is Kwiatkowski ride into the future dope free and one day become a GT rider of substance. That is not meant to be a pun.

 

[Franklin]

Movingtarget, I'll explain why you are completely out of your depth.

A week ago I said to my brother: Quick Step is going to do extremely well in P-N.
His response, Yeah, Ibarguen is having things going quite well this year.

Now there's a double slamdunk of Sky and you are merilly saying how that's so unimportant he beat Kwiatowski.

I advice you to strongly look up Ibarguen, his history and how his riders are doing this year. I'm pretty sure you wont be so surprised about Kwiatowski performance.

Oh and mark my word. Watch Uran in the Tirreno.

 

[Franklin]

I hate it when I'm right. The Tirrenno also goes pretty close to what I expected.

Yeah, all fine and dandy in Cycling. The best Sky paladins manage to crush the evil minions of Ibarguen. A tru victory for clean cycling if I saw one.