Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

[leon7766]

Its a shame Masterracer is banned. I was looking forward to hear his explanation on how its possible for Porte to be better than Contador.

Pretty simple really Contador was on drugs now he isnt

 

[ljpoyz]

only charging when he sees it as worth the risk? wouldn't surprise.

Well, he won the Vuelta "clean". It could be that he's only charging up for the big races since his ban.

 

[leon7766]

That, or they could try and gauge the credibility of a performance based on a riders history, previous results, proven ability (or lack thereof) in certain disciplines... one or the other.

The get a life option I feel

 

[leon7766]

Of course webvan would of!

We all know how much of a chump Alberto Contador is. Heck Porte was the real talent at Saxo back in 2010 and 2011. Now he doesn't have to tow the line his confidence has grown leaps and bounds. It's perfectly natural for him to be finishing right next to a poser like Contador. Perfectly normal.

You seem not to understand how drugs make you a better rider .You also dont seem to understand that when you come off drugs your performances tail off until you reach your natural performance .Im surprised at the gaps in your knowledge

 

[leon7766]

Porte is brimming with blood. Good boy. Let him off the leash to go full ***.

You are correct clean cyclists are full of blood

 

[leon7766]

Like I care. I read everyone's messages. Lets me know how full of $h1t people really are.

Censoring and blocking IMO is for ***. Cowards. Sooks. Cry babies...ok, we all get the picture.

But it is good to know I was so effective another Sky lover couldn't handle me...

I feel you should be at the top of the must read charts for all Sky fans as you provide a lot of top quality comic material

 

[Cimber]

You are correct clean cyclists are full of blood

Porte clean? Yeah right.... He is almost luminous from all that juice.

Pretty simple really Contador was on drugs now he isnt

Maybe Contador isnt on juice atm, but I reckon he will be in july. How else can he compete with the juice-bar, aka Sky.

 

[Cimber]

Pretty simple really Contador was on drugs now he isnt

Maybe Contador isnt on juice atm, but I reckon he will be in july. How else can he compete with the juice-bar, aka Sky.

 

[Cimber]

David Arroyo says 'hello'!

The only reason Porte finished top 10 was due to the time he gained by being in the break.

Pretty simple really Contador was on drugs now he isnt

Maybe Contador isnt on juice atm, but I reckon he will be in july. How else can he compete with the juice-bar, aka Sky.

 

[leon7766]

everything is relative, sure Alberto seems to be lacking but that doesn't change the fact that both Richieborg and the Dog improved drastically. Actually, I think they could beat Alberto in his best ever form

You must have forgotten ho dominant Contador was when he was cheating the world of cycling .Sky because they are clean have to work together and plan meticulously to win races

 

[leon7766]

What I do not understand is, if Contador was doping during the 2011 Giro, why would he stop now? Nothing has changed, the consequences of getting caught are the same now as they were then. And if he was not doping then, is he really worse now, or are the others getting better? What do the numbers say?

Im pretty sure your perfomance wouldnt drop straight away

 

[Cimber]

You must have forgotten ho dominant Contador was when he was cheating the world of cycling .Sky because they are clean have to work together and plan meticulously to win races

Do you honestly believe Sky is clean and they rip all the dopers apart without using dope themselves? They just work harder and plan better? Really? What planet do u come from? Maybe I are excused if you havent followed cycling for a long while.

Playing the devil here, you do realise that CAS found that the souce of clenbuterol found in Contador was most likely NOT due to doping? I am not saying he didnt dope, just saying that in that regard he is as clean as Froome, Porte etc (personally I think both Contador, Froome and Porte doped/dope).

 

[Cimber]

Im pretty sure your perfomance wouldnt drop straight away

It does (well it drops rather fast). Just read some of Jackshes statements on how his performance dropped when he held a pause cos he felt the heat

 

[spalco]

Do you honestly believe Sky is clean and they rip all the dopers apart without using dope themselves? They just work harder and plan better? Really? What planet do u come from? Maybe I are excused if you havent followed cycling for a long while.

I suppose he's actually saying that nobody's doping anymore, and now the natural performance level of the riders becomes visible, and thus Sky winning races because they have the best athletes.

It's theoretically a plausible conclusion, however, even as someone who's sceptical about the Clinic's consensus on Sky doping, I have to admit it stretches credibility in several different ways.

 

[Cimber]

I suppose he's actually saying that nobody's doping anymore, and now the natural performance level of the riders becomes visible, and thus Sky winning races because they have the best athletes.

It's theoretically a plausible conclusion, however, even as someone who's sceptical about the Clinic's consensus on Sky doping, I have to admit it stretches credibility in several different ways.

Yeah thats extremely naive. I mean, to honestly think that the whole peleton is more or less doping-free now.

Its good to see some of the newer fans can actuelly still be naive about doping and keep a positive attitude about the problem, but it is nevertheless extremely naive.

 

[leon7766]

I suppose he's actually saying that nobody's doping anymore, and now the natural performance level of the riders becomes visible, and thus Sky winning races because they have the best athletes.

It's theoretically a plausible conclusion, however, even as someone who's sceptical about the Clinic's consensus on Sky doping, I have to admit it stretches credibility in several different ways.

I am saying that although I wouldnt say nobody

 

[leon7766]

It does (well it drops rather fast). Just read some of Jackshes statements on how his performance dropped when he held a pause cos he felt the heat

Without being a doctor and only going on what I read about athletes it doesnt diminish that quickly

 

[Cimber]

I am saying that although I wouldnt say nobody

Its cute and even exhilarating that you honestly think that. For a while after the Festina-scandal I too believed that they had learned and things were. It saddens me that your positive but very naive conviction is bound to be shattered in time.

 

[Cimber]

Without being a doctor and only going on what I read about athletes it doesnt diminish that quickly

Depends what u mean by quickly but if u suggest that Contador stopped dopping in august 2010 but still benifited from it in any significant way in may 2011 I would very much disagree.

Also consider that in the Giro 2011 Scarponi was (as always) juiced up to his neck, but Bertie still crushed him and the rest.

 

[leon7766]

Yeah thats extremely naive. I mean, to honestly think that the whole peleton is more or less doping-free now.

Its good to see some of the newer fans can actuelly still be naive about doping and keep a positive attitude about the problem, but it is nevertheless extremely naive.

But I would retort with the comment I am not naive I just havent been infected with the disease that has distorted the views of the majority on this part of the forum You know the one where everyone cheats and every perfomance is shown to be the result of drugs win or lose

 

[leon7766]

Its cute and even exhilarating that you honestly think that. For a while after the Festina-scandal I too believed that they had learned and things were. It saddens me that your positive but very naive conviction is bound to be shattered in time.

Im happy to say that as someone who supports Sky and British cycling I wont especially while Brailsford is in charge

 

[sittingbison]

But I would retort with the comment I am not naive I just havent been infected with the disease that has distorted the views of the majority on this part of the forum You know the one where everyone cheats and every perfomance is shown to be the result of drugs win or lose

the bolded describes pretty much the entirety of the sport for the past 20 years since the advent of blood vector doping. So why is it a "distorted view"?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

the bolded describes pretty much the entirety of the sport for the past 20 years since the advent of blood vector doping. So why is it a "distorted view"?

And what made it magically disappear around 2011 when Sky started to stamp their authority on every race? The BP has been going since 2008. The longer it exists the more likely workarounds can be achieved. More sophisticated doping protocols.

So something else has magically cleaned up the peloton, where nothing else would.

Like magic.

A miracle.

I'm sorry, I don't believe in miracles.

 

[SeriousSam]

the bolded describes pretty much the entirety of the sport for the past 20 years since the advent of blood vector doping. So why is it a "distorted view"?

Sky are adamant about being clean, so how could they possibly not be?

 

[webvan]

Its cute and even exhilarating that you honestly think that. For a while after the Festina-scandal I too believed that they had learned and things were. It saddens me that your positive but very naive conviction is bound to be shattered in time.

Actually if it hadn't been for Dopestrong's crazy a**ed doping (and the UCI looking the other way for the positive corticoide in the '99 TDF) I think cycling would have cleaned up a lot quicker, case in point Ullrich got back on "programs" in 2003 when he went to Fuentes.

In any case there's a rather large margin between being extremely naive (that would apply to all those who believed in Dopestrong after the '99 prologue and/or Sestrières '99) and totally jaded like you seem to be now, which is sad actually, I mean just stop watching cycling if that's where you're at. I've been through a lot of ups and downs since I started following cycling as a small kid with the Vuelta '78, but I'm ok with what I see today. At the very least I can absolutely not subscribe to the clinic consensus that "Sky is doping, 100%", no way, it's so over the top that it makes no sense. Everything you guys see goes on the "they are doping" argument, nothing on the other side, never, be it when JC Péraud, a moderately gifter racer can pretty much keep up with Froome and Porte on Ospedale, or when Froome can't keep up with Nibali in Tirreno...unless of course you think that they are "dopers, 100% sure" too?

Having said that I had the good fortune of spending several of hours next to Millar and Wiggins a few years ago, talked to them and could observe them as much as I wanted up close and I'm not sure I liked what I saw, these guys are "freaks of nature", extremely tall, all muscle and veins (the stockings were a disturbing sight too)...just doesn't look right, "not normal", even if they are not breaking any "anti-doping" rules. This probably applies to most racers these days...I never got that close to Hinault but looking at pictures he seemed to have a "more normal" build.