Rider schedules and targets for 2023 (also rumours and opinions allowed)

[Squire]

Yes, but that tactic might not work next year. This year, he had reason - up until stage 11 at least - to think that Roglic and Vingegaard were equal threats to him.

They would both be threats big enough that Pogacar can't ignore them in 2023 too, so I don't see why that tactic wouldn't work again. Based on threat level, at the very least. Pogi might have a better team in 2023, which might change things.

 

[RedheadDane]

They would both be threats big enough that Pogacar can't ignore them in 2023 too, so I don't see why that tactic wouldn't work again. Based on threat level, at the very least. Pogi might have a better team in 2023, which might change things.

Or have learned that when it's two against one, you need to manage your energy!

Still feels very much like the kind of tactic that's likely to only work once.

 

[tobydawq]

Yes, but that tactic might not work next year. This year, he had reason - up until stage 11 at least - to think that Roglic and Vingegaard were equal threats to him.

He didn't have reason to believe that. It was stupid to go after Roglic. It was a bluff that was very easy to call during their attacks and of course even easier now.

If anything, it should work better next year.

But as a Roglic fan and not at all a Vingegaard fan, I'm glad to see them separated.

 

[Big Doopie]

He didn't have reason to believe that. It was stupid to go after Roglic. It was a bluff that was very easy to call during their attacks and of course even easier now.

If anything, it should work better next year.

agreed with this. Biggest Pog mistake was not to let one of them go and simply wait for his teammates who were 20-40 seconds behind. No way Rog or Vingo goes all the way to the finish on their own and Pog could have worn that one out while not doing any chasing personally himself.

Pog then went and compounded the issue by actually attacking and allowing Vingo to simply follow. It was tactical stupidity probably brought about by overconfidence bred by two years of easy dominance.

Things will likely be different in 2023 and JV will regret not having Rog.

 

[RedheadDane]

He didn't have reason to believe that. It was stupid to go after Roglic. It was a bluff that was very easy to call during their attacks and of course even easier now.

If anything, it should work better next year.

But as a Roglic fan and not at all a Vingegaard fan, I'm glad to see them separated.

Well, he believed it. Or he got carried away. As you say, it was stupid. He probably won't be stupid next year.

And I'm gonna have to take your citizenship!

 

[Roku]

Roglic going to Giro is a big relief for Pogacar and UAE. On paper, with the addition of A.Yates and Primoz' abscence, they should be at least as strong as Jumbo on the climbs.

 

[tobydawq]

agreed with this. Biggest Pog mistake was not to let one of them go and simply wait for his teammates who were 20-40 seconds behind. No way Rog or Vingo goes all the way to the finish on their own and Pog could have worn that one out while not doing any chasing personally himself.

Pog then went and compounded the issue by actually attacking and allowing Vingo to simply follow. It was tactical stupidity probably brought about by overconfidence bred by two years of easy dominance.

Things will likely be different in 2023 and JV will regret not having Rog.

Well, the main problem was that Van Aert was up the road so if Pogacar did let someone go, that rider would not have to go all the way to the finish on his own.

 

[RedheadDane]

Roglic going to Giro is a big relief for Pogacar and UAE. On paper, with the addition of S.Yates and Primoz' abscence, they should be at least as strong as Jumbo on the climbs.

Wrong Yates. It's Adam who's going to UAE.

 

[Andy schleck]

Roglic going to Giro is a big relief for Pogacar and UAE. On paper, with the addition of A.Yates and Primoz' abscence, they should be at least as strong as Jumbo on the climbs.

It doesn't matter so much. In the end it will be always a mano a mano between pogacar and vingegaard.

 

[Earns1985]

Vingegaard will start his season at Gran Camiño, will then ride Paris- Nice and Itzulia Basque.
So in the spring no one-week stage race against Pogacar, who is riding UAE and Tirreno..

Vingegaard beginnt Saison bei O Gran Camino | radsport-news.com

www.radsport-news.com

 

[Red Rick]

In addition to going to the Giro, it seems the target for returning to racing for Roglic is Catalunya.

He didn't have reason to believe that. It was stupid to go after Roglic. It was a bluff that was very easy to call during their attacks and of course even easier now.

If anything, it should work better next year.

But as a Roglic fan and not at all a Vingegaard fan, I'm glad to see them separated.

Wait you dislike Vingegaard?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Wrong Yates. It's Adam who's going to UAE.

Imagine UAE's surprise after having signed the contract.

 

[tobydawq]

In addition to going to the Giro, it seems the target for returning to racing for Roglic is Catalunya.


Wait you dislike Vingegaard?

Yes, he is just too boring for me.

 

[Red Rick]

Yes, he is just too boring for me.

Fair. He does seem like a pretty passive rider if you read between the lines during a lot of interviews.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Fair. He does seem like a pretty passive rider if you read between the lines during a lot of interviews.

He has already implied that he will race (even) more conservatively, if I'm not mistaken. As far as the Tour is concerned, at least.

Could be all talk, but I think he really believes he can win the Tour with relatively short attacks in one or a few mountain stages. I also think he will out-TT Pog.

 

[Red Rick]

He has already implied that he will race (even) more conservatively, if I'm not mistaken. As far as the Tour is concerned, at least.

Could be all talk, but I think he really believes he can win the Tour with relatively short attacks in one or a few mountain stages. I also think he will out-TT Pog.

Yeah that and the "almost didn't attack on Granon" does not bode well at all.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Fair. He does seem like a pretty passive rider if you read between the lines during a lot of interviews.

You had to read between the lines of interviews for that? lol

Not a fan myself, but i'll say that he surprised me in a positive way in the TDF. I expected him (even) more passive honestly. But if it's true he will ride even more passively from now on, i can only hope this was the last TDF he's won.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Vingegaard rode one of the best races I can remember tactically. "Almost didnt attack on Granon?"

 

[Salvarani]

Vingegaard rode one of the best races I can remember tactically. "Almost didnt attack on Granon?"

I dont believe that statement. To me that just seem a bit phony.

No way he was not gonna attack the way the team and him had ridden.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Imagine UAE's surprise after having signed the contract.

A The Big Lebowski style moment, "You got the wrong guy. I'm Adam, man!"

 

[Red Rick]

Vingegaard rode one of the best races I can remember tactically. "Almost didnt attack on Granon?"

He said afterwards he was very reluctant to attack cause Pogacar looked so strong to him.

Guy was breathing through his nose, millions of people with a television screen could see how fckd Pogacar was but and Vingegaard just goes "Hmm I am not entirely sure I should attack yet"

And I also think it was a nobrainer to attack the final 2km of Galibier with Van Aert up the road. Pogacar had done so much work at that point.

 

[Andy schleck]

He has already implied that he will race (even) more conservatively, if I'm not mistaken. As far as the Tour is concerned, at least.

Could be all talk, but I think he really believes he can win the Tour with relatively short attacks in one or a few mountain stages. I also think he will out-TT Pog.

Do you think Vingegaard raced conservately at this year's tour?

 

[Colonel]

Vingegaard will start his season at Gran Camiño, will then ride Paris- Nice and Itzulia Basque.
So in the spring no one-week stage race against Pogacar, who is riding UAE and Tirreno..

Vingegaard beginnt Saison bei O Gran Camino | radsport-news.com

www.radsport-news.com

Pog will more than likely do Paris Nice this year. It will be good to see the builds and results to Tour between these 2.

 

[Salvarani]

Pog will more than likely do Paris Nice this year. It will be good to see the builds and results to Tour between these 2.

Where are you getting that from?

He will do UAE, SB, T-A and MSR to begin with.

 

[Valv.Piti]

He said afterwards he was very reluctant to attack cause Pogacar looked so strong to him.

Guy was breathing through his nose, millions of people with a television screen could see how fckd Pogacar was but and Vingegaard just goes "Hmm I am not entirely sure I should attack yet"

And I also think it was a nobrainer to attack the final 2km of Galibier with Van Aert up the road. Pogacar had done so much work at that point.

I agree, thats the only finger I can put on Vingegaard during that race. Its a no-brainer to go all out on Galibier towards the top and try to win the Tour right then and there.

Actually faking to be in trouble and dropping yourself would have been better as well with Van Aert up the road. That would have been an extremely interesting tactic that we probably never see in pro cycling, but would have been a better move than the status quo. Basically, with Wout up the road, you want everything else than status quo. Then you keep Pog interested and Wout wheels him in a few km before Granon - game over!