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I'd love to see Betencur back to his best But I thought maybe Valverde would target the Giro ?
Would love to see Betencur have free rein in the Ardennes but he will be riding (if he riders) for Valverde
Imagine Betencur will ride with Quintana and Anacona and maybe if his first part of the season is good he will be given some leadership later on.
Baby steps
WheelofGear said:
I'd love to see Betencur back to his best But I thought maybe Valverde would target the Giro ?
Would love to see Betencur have free rein in the Ardennes but he will be riding (if he riders) for Valverde
Imagine Betencur will ride with Quintana and Anacona and maybe if his first part of the season is good he will be given some leadership later on.
Baby steps
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Agree with anything you said. But I doubt Valverde will target the Giro. He is a traditional man. Always following the same schedule except for his weird year in 2014.
Perhaps Betancur will not even be allowed to ride the Ardennes? Too big of a thread for Valverde.
HelloDolly said:
Agree with anything you said. But I doubt Valverde will target the Giro. He is a traditional man. Always following the same schedule except for his weird year in 2014.
Perhaps Betancur will not even be allowed to ride the Ardennes? Too big of a thread for Valverde.
Majka doesn't know his schedule yet and told his team not to inform him for a while (so that there is no added pressure for now).
Says he would like to do Giro, then Rio, then Vuelta, but is afraid that the team will send him to the Tour.
Exhausted after the season with 79 race days. Gaining 4-5kg to speed up the recovery
Says he would like to do Giro, then Rio, then Vuelta, but is afraid that the team will send him to the Tour.
Exhausted after the season with 79 race days. Gaining 4-5kg to speed up the recovery
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In form Betancur would be God's gift for Valverde in Ardennes and other classics. He could follow late moves and creating some on his own, removing the pressure from Valverde.
WheelofGear said:HelloDolly said:
Agree with anything you said. But I doubt Valverde will target the Giro. He is a traditional man. Always following the same schedule except for his weird year in 2014.
Perhaps Betancur will not even be allowed to ride the Ardennes? Too big of a thread for Valverde.
In form Betancur would be God's gift for Valverde in Ardennes and other classics. He could follow late moves and creating some on his own, removing the pressure from Valverde.
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Brullnux said:
But I would have thought helping Contador win the Tour is a key objecting for Tinkoff in 2016
"Afraid the team will send him to the Tour" ...One of the reasons I don't and will never like Majka. Never hear Thomas or Porte saying that .. They ride for the strongest rider in the team and are happy to do it (or left) .
And I also beleive that Maka will never win a GT. He follows but he has no real attack or great TT
Did fine in the Vuelta but alot of riders were not at their best in that race
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Shame Moreno does not seem to have a team. Why did Katusha let him go ? Good support & foil for Purito...madness
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Shame Moreno does not seem to have a team. Why did Katusha let him go ? Good support & foil for Purito...madness
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Moreno said he left Katusha to become a team leader, but I can't see him leading many races with Movistar.
He would have more chances with Katusha, I think.
He would have more chances with Katusha, I think.
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HelloDolly said:
Majka doesn't strike me as the type of rider who likes to ride for other people, he seems pretty selfish. He won't win the Giro, or the Vuelta so I think you're right that he should go to the tour
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Tour seems to be the main- and only objective for Tinkoff.
You have to understand though that Olympics are only once every 4 years, and the course that suits climbers probably once in a century. So I can totally understand the dissapointment because thats a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Also, there is a difference between Thomas, Porte, and Majka.
Thomas and Porte went to help Froome/Wiggins in the Tour and saw 3 victories. Majka went to help Contador in the Tour twice and was more successful than his leader in both ocassions.
Surely the motivation to see another season go to waste (failure at the Tour and exhaustion so lack of results post Tour) can not be very high, especially considering Rio.
And I wouldn't consider that selfish. He has proven tons of times that this is not the case. Just look at helping Sagan in Suisse and not going for more Tour stage wins this year.
It is just understandable that he would have been given a chance to be NT leader in Rio and that would be a huge deal for everyone, especially someone who has ambition and potential to do well
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damian13ster said:
No one is stopping him be NT leader in Rio. That is not the issue here .
He can like most other riders target Rio while supporting the best rider in the Team.
I am not sure you understand that the only rider in Tinkoff that can win the Tour is Contador(whether he does or not) he needs full support. If Majka is not happy with that he should have moved to a team to be sole leader.
Quite frankly I think he thinks he is better than he is. And he sounds like a spoilt brat
He can lead at the Giro , ride the Tour as dom and target Rio......probably be at his best after 2 Tours anyway
HelloDolly said:
He's the second best GC man on the team. It's perfectly normal for him to prefer leading Giro and/or Vuelta to slaving at the Tour.
HelloDolly said:
Of course there is an issue. Riding Giro + Tour is not the way to prepare yourself for Olympics and everyone knows that. Just look at your idol. He sucked at the Tour and didn't race after it.
Of course will ride the calendar that the team tells him to ride, he always has.
But it is perfectly normal not to be happy about that. I would be dissapointed if it was otherwise because then it just shows lack of ambition. Also, the team morale is not going to be sky high (no pun intended) as it is in Sky, just because Sky has a winner as a leader.
And believing that you are/can be better than you are at the moment is the very first requirement for improving.
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Gotta love all the little digs at Alberto in damian13ster's posts. "Alberto is not a winner" Alberto is 100 times more of a winner than your boy Majka. Majka is no winner and he will never win a GT if he doesn't drastically change his riding style. Majka could have left and joined a team that is prepared to send all their best riders to help Majka achieve his goal of podiuming a GT when half of his opponents are in poor shape. He chose Oleg's big bucks, so he should STFU and stop being a spoilt brat. He should be grateful he even gets the chance to lead a GT. He should be grateful he gets the chance to learn from one of the best ever GT riders but he's being an ungrateful little ***. All he does is whine whine complain complain moan moan when things don't go 100% the way HE wants them to go. HE should get everything he wants. He should learn from Kreuziger. In 2013, he could have podiumed the Tour, but he was loyal to his team leader and obeyed the team orders. Maybe he was a little annoyed he couldn't go for his own changes. But at least he didn't WHINE about it in the media like Majka always does.
He already didn't have many fans, and he's losing them quickly, but the few fans he has are just as ridiculous and big-headed as he is.
He already didn't have many fans, and he's losing them quickly, but the few fans he has are just as ridiculous and big-headed as he is.
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Of course it's normal but it's part of his job. What is NOT normal is that there's a pattern forming of Majka whining about him having to work for Contador. It's very simple, Rafał. STFU and deal with it or GTFO.Zinoviev Letter said:
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I don;tthink there si any one way to toprepare fro RIO and Majka was so much better when he rode the Giro as lead and Tour as dom in 2014. He was flying after that and could be again. But expect as he did then he will moan if asked to do this combination
As for my idol ? Don;t know who you mean.
I call it as it is.There is only one rider in form that can challenge Froome for the Tour and that is Contador. They both know this
However Contador has been hampered by not having the best of teams in the past. If he is in form and I cannot see why he won't be he will need the best team he can have to beat SKY and Froome. and that is someone who is eager to support him, positive about his role, wants more than anything the yellow jersey for the team and does not pull out his ear piece to avoid having to work for others. or moan to the press or be only interested in his own placing on GC
Of all the super doms I could have he would be the last I would want
If it walks like a duck, quacks like duck...it is a duck
Why should Majka work for Contador, he is far to good a rider to be reduced to the role of a superdomestic, what's more Contador doesn't really need majka as he hasn't got a train as such unlike Froome, if Contador is in shame he can just attack off the front and if not then it doesn't matter weather majka is there or not he will lose either. Tinkoff should give majka leadership at the giro and the vuelta.
Majka could win a GT based on ingenuity. He is the king of wheelsucking. He never takes a pull and mostly refuses to cooperate. Even in his Tour victories, he did that. The worst thing I've seen was when he sat on König's wheel for an entire climb and then outsprinting him in the finale. The exact opposite of the always-attacking Contador.
Podium in the Giro next year is very possible, I think. The Risoul stage must be his favorite.
Podium in the Giro next year is very possible, I think. The Risoul stage must be his favorite.
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LaFlorecita said:
Damn. Things escalated quickly. Of course Majka is not a better cyclist than Contador. It is not even close and I never suggested that it is. The fact is, when it comes to the Tour, Sky are the winners lately and Contador is a loser. And only because of his own faults, not team's or supporting riders.
And the fact is that in last 3 seasons Contador NEVER won a race or a stage that both he and Majka was riding. Don't you think that it is going to affect the morale of a rider who has to waste yet another season (Tour instead of Rio + Vuelta) for what is going to possibly be another winless campaing?
He might never win a GT. But he is definetely good enough to podium one and that level is enough not to be happy with being reduced to a domestique role. Especially since there are Olympics and Majka has shown that he can handle long distances, therefore top 10 or even top 5 is a possiblity. Once in a lifetime opportunity.
One question: what did Kreuziger achieve by not going for himself in 2013?
Why should that be a good thing? If he could podium then it would be better for him, and for the team. Why shouldn't he go for it?
Because a spoiled brat (using your language) who can't accept the fact that others are better at the moment didn't allow him to?
Isn't it a trait of a great leader to make sure that team around him feels good and that when there is an opportunity to reward them for all of their work, then they should be allowed a shot at a career achievement (Tour podium for Kreuziger)? If Roman could really go for the podium in 2013 then it was extremely selfish not to let him to. Actions of a sore loser
You have to realize that more riders than just 1-2 have ambitions and do not want to play a role of a well-paid slave for entire careers. Especially if their results justify getting a chance and especially with Rio coming up
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Didn't like that either. But that was not for a stage win. That was for mountain classification points. So it tactically made sense.
None of his victories were from wheelsucking. All of them were from a solo attack, including one from 50km out. It is seriously hard to judge him for stage 20 in Vuelta because of massive exhaustion. Apparently he just barely hang on
WheelofGear said:
Didn't like that either. But that was not for a stage win. That was for mountain classification points. So it tactically made sense.
None of his victories were from wheelsucking. All of them were from a solo attack, including one from 50km out. It is seriously hard to judge him for stage 20 in Vuelta because of massive exhaustion. Apparently he just barely hang on
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