JRTinMA said:Hey, I see you how you turned around obsession on me, good one Race! You responded and kept it going and you know better, just curb your obsession and keep it in the LA thread, k?
Thanks for proving my point
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JRTinMA said:Hey, I see you how you turned around obsession on me, good one Race! You responded and kept it going and you know better, just curb your obsession and keep it in the LA thread, k?
JRTinMA said:I'm not sure who this Clemans is but I will take your word for it that he/she is disliked here.
Regarding Clemens, any "dislike" if thats what it really is in sport, was washed away with two World Series wins. He was given standing ovations upon many of his later returns to town. In fact, in todays Globe is an article suggesting he belongs in the Hall, hardly a sentiment of dislike and shared by many. He belongs in the Hall because he was an incredible pitcher before PEDs came into play.
As far as Jury in love, well you have that wrong too. The prosecution failed because their star witness was not credible. Hey that sounds familiar to another recent case...
http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/06/roger_clemens_1.html
No comments.......As far as nuking the whole place? It'll nuke itself, as the ozone layer rescinds it's quest to protect....Pasupata*Times...Got Yellow Sub?JRTinMA said:I'm not sure who this Clemans is but I will take your word for it that he/she is disliked here.
Regarding Clemens, any "dislike" if thats what it really is in sport, was washed away with two World Series wins. He was given standing ovations upon many of his later returns to town. In fact, in todays Globe is an article suggesting he belongs in the Hall, hardly a sentiment of dislike and shared by many. He belongs in the Hall because he was an incredible pitcher before PEDs came into play.
As far as Jury in love, well you have that wrong too. The prosecution failed because their star witness was not credible. Hey that sounds familiar to another recent case...
http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/06/roger_clemens_1.html
Jeremiah said:Credible to who? The prosecutors believed McNamee, Pettite admitted being injected by him but "misremembered" what the Rocket said. Do YOU think Pettite's testimony was credible?
Forget this playing cute nonsense. Was McNamee credible to you? Not, did the prosecution attempt to impeach him?
I know things so I obviously believed McNamee's testimony. The jury were people who had no interest in baseball. I think it was 8 women and 4 men. Why are they Clemmons peers? Wouldn't his peers be those who engage in athletic pursuits and have some background in that reality?
The NYDN cover says what everyone, including you, knows.. Clemmons is guilty.
BTW, you'd be taken more seriously if you stopped engaging in this willful ignorance.
WRT the NYDN cover story. Maybe Clemmons will sue them for libel? LMAO.
Jeremiah said:Credible to who? The prosecutors believed McNamee, Pettite admitted being injected by him but "misremembered" what the Rocket said. Do YOU think Pettite's testimony was credible?
Forget this playing cute nonsense. Was McNamee credible to you? Not, did the prosecution attempt to impeach him?
I know things so I obviously believed McNamee's testimony. The jury were people who had no interest in baseball. I think it was 8 women and 4 men. Why are they Clemmons peers? Wouldn't his peers be those who engage in athletic pursuits and have some background in that reality?
The NYDN cover says what everyone, including you, knows.. Clemmons is guilty.
BTW, you'd be taken more seriously if you stopped engaging in this willful ignorance.
WRT the NYDN cover story. Maybe Clemmons will sue them for libel? LMAO.
pleyser said:http://www.forbes.com/sites/montebu...ong-and-guilt-in-the-court-of-public-opinion/
I think the Roger Clemens outcome is the most likely outcome for Lance too. Claim you're vindincated by the long process, to a collective shrug of "whatever" because the entire era of your sport is full of asterisks, clouds of suspicion and participants who admitted PED use.
Legacy in tatters.
Oldman said:The major difference is that Clemens wasn't charged with being involved in a drug distribution activity. That and he didn't buy an insurance policy from SCA to give him a bonus payday (on a policy that excluded drug use) or pretend to be the Savior of Cancer victims. Lance has a hurricane of suspicion coming his way and it will take alot of time and $$$ for him to enjoy his version of peace.
JRTinMA said:Seems Mcnamee is going to push on with his defamation civil suit. I guess Mcnamee didn't understand the game when he was helping players dope, what a joke.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/27/us-usa-baseball-clemens-idUSBRE85Q1AX20120627
Race Radio said:So if you dope athletes then you shouldn't complain when they tell the public that you are trying to extort money from them and you are mentally troubled? Clemens is allowed to invent anything he likes about his drug dealer?
MarkvW said:What's the reputational value of a sleazy drug dealer, though? Not ideal defamation lawsuit material.
Race Radio said:So if you dope athletes then you shouldn't complain when they tell the public that you are trying to extort money from them and you are mentally troubled? Clemens is allowed to invent anything he likes about his drug dealer?
JRTinMA said:Yes and yes. These risks come with being a drug dealer. Mcnamee was granted immunity for his testimony, he got plenty of value right there.
Race Radio said:Could you point out the law that says drug dealers are not protected by defamation laws?
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JRTinMA said:If you point out where I stated that I will be happy to oblige. Look I understand you dislike all dopers who lie, with the exception of the lying dopers you like of course. This case should never have gone to trial, even the government knew it was a waste of time and money and unwinable. Hubris on both sides pushed it forward, ah hubris, it's what kept "some" from seeing the outcome of an investigation of another high profile athlete recently.
Race Radio said:It's always about Lance for you isn't it?
JRTinMA said:You're like a child. No, I was referring to Barry Bonds, keep it about baseball in this thread. There are 20 threads to discuss your obsession.
JRTinMA said:ah hubris, it's what kept "some" from seeing the outcome of an investigation of another high profile athlete recently
eleven said:Well I for one am glad to see that all the time the Feds spent chasing a guy for allegedly lying to congress paid off. That Roger paid for his crime with....
Oh, wait. No. What a colossal waste of time and effort. Only a federal investigator would be allowed to double-down on a case that hinges on a proven liar with zero credibility and evidence stored in a beer can.
Roger is still the only pitcher to win 7 Cy Young awards, the most dominant pitcher of his generation, future Hall of Famer and one of the greatest of all time...and Federal prosecutors are still 0-for in recent cases.
Race Radio said:O for?
Bonds is guilty. 13 athletes and staff plead guilty in BALCO. Sounds like they are 14-1 so far.
But your message is clear, if you are rich the government should ignore it when you break the law
eleven said:Yes 0-fer in recent trials. Bonds. Edwards. Clemens. Armstrong. While Bonds was technically convicted on one of the bzillion original counts, he is paying virtually no recourse for his actions. The re-trial of Clemens was an absurd waste of resources predicated on the testimony of a proven liar and DNA evidence stored in a freaking beer can.
The BALCO affair hasn't produced any fruit in years.
I don't care if you're rich, poor or middle class - people lie to Congress every damn day. Pursuing them is absurd. If lying to congress is a punishable offense then half of the Wall Street executives and every employee of Enron that testified should be in jail.
Your assumption that my view is related to income is your own hang up, not mine.
Race Radio said:Edwards? what does he have to do with doping?
I must have missed the Armstrong trial, do you have a link? The fact is the Feds win 97% of their case. THEY have scoreboard.
Money is a KEY element to this discussion. The only way Clemens got off is by having the ability to spend an absurd amount of money on a legal team that kept him out of prison. Any other person without his resources would have lost.