Rogers to CSC!

[abbaskip]

So Rogers has left Sky early, and is joining CSC. Is this essentially an admission of past indiscretions? If so, surely Sky aren't clean now. Rogers has been stronger there than he ever was anywhere else.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling...rogers-quits-wiggins-team-20121207-2azo2.html

 

[DirtyWorks]

So Rogers has left Sky early, and is joining CSC. Is this essentially an admission of past indiscretions? If so, surely Sky aren't clean now. Rogers has been stronger there than he ever was anywhere else.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling...rogers-quits-wiggins-team-20121207-2azo2.html

We'll see if someone at Sky will gets petty and tries to turn Rogers over to anti-doping. If Sky's not doping, then another historic year of results in 2013 should be no problem at all!

Rogers has gone from one protected captain/doped team to another. Well played sir!


It sounds like Sky is set up for an UNspectacular 2013.

 

[thehog]

Contrador is so dirty hiring Rogers. Sky with ZTP got rid of him because they don't tolerate dopers

 

[BroDeal]

Oh, noes. The super secret marginal gains that no other team ever thought to use will now be handed over to the enemy. Expect the Saxo-Tinkoff train to smash everyone in the mountains as they ride to the cols at 450 Watts.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Oh, noes. The super secret marginal gains that no other team ever thought to use will now be handed over to the enemy. Expect the Saxo-Tinkoff train to smash everyone in the mountains as they ride to the cols at 450 Watts.

Contador has never ridden with marginal gains before. Sky are in BIG trouble.

 

[thehog]

Contador has never ridden with marginal gains before. Sky are in BIG trouble.

Rogers will ride tempo at 470w that not even Contador will be able to attack!

 

[Ferminal]

It is possible that any doping Rogers may or may not have done at Sky was purely individual.

 

[hfer07]

Oh, noes. The super secret marginal gains that no other team ever thought to use will now be handed over to the enemy. Expect the Saxo-Tinkoff train to smash everyone in the mountains as they ride to the cols at 450 Watts.

will it be a package deal with "swimming coaches" included?

 

[Tinman]

If Pat's clever he awards the spare licence to Argos-Shimano.

Avoids a Sky doping-or-not debacle in next year's TdF with Saxo.
And also keeps Oleg's influence at bay (and Makarov/Tschmill).

 

[ElChingon]

It is possible that any doping Rogers may or may not have done at Sky was purely individual.

I get it, they are a very individual team.

Gotta love the headline: Flight to the Contador: Rogers quits Wiggins' team

So Rogers quit? Quit because he knew he had no option as in couldn't sign the new deal or because Sky let him say that as opposed to an outright statement that he was an ex-doper and didn't qualify under their new zero tolerance policy?

 

[JimmyFingers]

It is possible that any doping Rogers may or may not have done at Sky was purely individual.

This. But they won't let that get in the way of their crowing

 

[Tinman]

The early USPS model was of a core team with small group supply and logistics support. If there is any validity behind Leinders, the Motoman pics and the Yates know how transfer into Sky then this model makes most sense. If you subscribe to likely doping at Sky in 2012.

Ie. a core team of Wiggins, Froome and Rogers. This or individual programs but I would think the logistics are harder on that.

Is there any public record on TUEs granted by UCI? I'd for one like to know more about Froome's Bilharzia impact on haematocrit etc and any related TUE's.

I think it would help UCI "complicity" defense enormously for them to release this info by the way...

 

[JimmyFingers]

surely we don't need another thread to discuss Sky doping theories? Plus there's already one about Rogers. This is an unnecessary proliferation that is just going to go over the same ground, unless it sticks to the subject of the thread

#jussayin'

 

[Tinman]

surely we don't need another thread to discuss Sky doping theories?

This is an unnecessary proliferation that is just going to go over the same ground, unless it sticks to the subject of the thread

Hmm. lets give that some serious thought. Yes maybe some new threads on individual doping theories on individual Sky members? I believe there are some new Sky members that haven't really had much attention to date. And some established ones for which threads may need a bump.

Back to Rogers doping as an individual or as a team. He's always been a bit of an individualist operator, so that may lead one to conclude an individual approach. Likewise for Froome perhaps. So maybe Wiggo could also be a one man band then? All individual programs confidentially run by Yates/Sutton as the only ones knowing the totality?

If anything the LA story has taught future dopers is that the weak link of a group program is the total number of people in the know. The fewer the better, so no need for each rider to know of the other.

 

[Gregga]

Now I can imagine Bjarne Riis eating in a good restaurant in Tuscany with Rogers, asking him :
"What methods did you use at Sky ?"

"The secret race" Chapter 9, "New Start"...

 

[Mellow Velo]

Old news.
Most folks who've been following knew he was CSC bound a week ago.
Even the Clinic poll pre-dates this "announcement".

Might as well merge the thread with the Sky thread, too, seeing it's only the usual suspects posting their usual stuff.
Could actually help to get that thread back on track.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Contador + USSR postal.

Better get Freiburg, Fuentes and Ferrari back in business otherwise this will be annihilation

 

[maltiv]

So Rogers has left Sky early, and is joining CSC. Is this essentially an admission of past indiscretions? If so, surely Sky aren't clean now. Rogers has been stronger there than he ever was anywhere else

Winning Bayern Rundfahrt > becoming 3x world ITT champion.

Yup, clearly much stronger

 

[JimmyFingers]

Hmm. lets give that some serious thought. Yes maybe some new threads on individual doping theories on individual Sky members? I believe there are some new Sky members that haven't really had much attention to date. And some established ones for which threads may need a bump.

Except Rogers has a thread. In which his moving has been discussed

 

[Tinman]

Except Rogers has a thread. In which his moving has been discussed

There are many folk who take great pride posting a new thread. Often that is implicitly tolerated and the old threads kind of get relegated. Happens all the time. Mods don't seem to be too bothered nor do the established members.

Either way, it doesn't bother me. If the post quality is reasonable and new I'm all for it. If it's routine sarcastic comments and personalized offensive stuff I tune out. Humor also allows more transgression I guess...

But back to one of the core tenets of The Clinic, if there is to be no speculation or assumption/hypothesizing you might as well close the shop. Yes there is a significant difference between hard fact and intuitive feel. But there is place for both, in societal life, business, and here. But we covered that before...

 

[Benotti69]

This. But they won't let that get in the way of their crowing

Good to see Jimmy is with the 'program' that there was doping on Sky but like all other fans of Sky only when Rogers leaves does he throw the barb.

Lots of other threads in the clinic about the dark side of the sport Jimmy but you seem stuck defending UKPostal!

How about defending those they beat?

 

[JimmyFingers]

There are many folk who take great pride posting a new thread. Often that is implicitly tolerated and the old threads kind of get relegated. Happens all the time. Mods don't seem to be too bothered nor do the established members.

Either way, it doesn't bother me. If the post quality is reasonable and new I'm all for it. If it's routine sarcastic comments and personalized offensive stuff I tune out. Humor also allows more transgression I guess...

But back to one of the core tenets of The Clinic, if there is to be no speculation or assumption/hypothesizing you might as well close the shop. Yes there is a significant difference between hard fact and intuitive feel. But there is place for both, in societal life, business, and here. But we covered that before...

Fairy nuf. You're right about speculation, intuition etc, there's no point to the clinic if we don't discuss things along those lines, but of course without some substance they are easily dismissed. What bothers me is when they are dressed up as fact, or knowledge, when it is simply opinion. That is when I tune out.

But I'm with you on the personal stuff. At the end of the day we're all cycling fans, there's no need to fall out just because our opinions differ

 

[JimmyFingers]

Good to see Jimmy is with the 'program' that there was doping on Sky but like all other fans of Sky only when Rogers leaves does he throw the barb.

Lots of other threads in the clinic about the dark side of the sport Jimmy but you seem stuck defending UKPostal!

How about defending those they beat?

Now Cav rides for OPQS I'll be switching allegiance come the new season.

Except I think they dope.

Or not.

I forget

 

[Benotti69]

Now Cav rides for OPQS I'll be switching allegiance come the new season.

Except I think they dope.

Or not.

I forget

Well look out OPQS clinic thread Jimmy will be joing it soon to defend them with his reasoned decisions about doping in a sport where the governing body and testing are a joke but reality aside goodluck with that.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Well look out OPQS clinic thread Jimmy will be joing it soon to defend them with his reasoned decisions about doping in a sport where the governing body and testing are a joke but reality aside goodluck with that.

I look forward to the 'how could the most dominant team of the 2012 season have done it clean' comments