Rogers to CSC!

[danjo007]

even some of you clowns should know rogers doped at Telekom for gods sake! The TDF in which he was smashing everyone and crashed out, he was doped to the eyeballs.

 

[thehog]

even some of you clowns should know rogers doped at Telekom for gods sake! The TDF in which he was smashing everyone and crashed out, he was doped to the eyeballs.

For a team thats certifiably clean they sure are acting strange.

After there stellar clean 2012 they've offloaded all of their personnel that helped them win clean!

Why?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Now Cav rides for OPQS I'll be switching allegiance come the new season.

Except I think they dope.

Or not.

I forget

I always support whichever team Cav and Bernie are in so I'll be with the new team next season too. The Sky top has already gone to Oxfam. Does anyone know if this new team has any other Brits to support?

 

[cineteq]

Rogers will ride tempo at 470w that not even Contador will be able to attack!

Rather, I think this is the beginning of DK Postal.

 

[blackcat]

is Rob Hayles using blood to sign the contract? with his high crit critificate

 

[blackcat]

The Sky top has already gone to Oxfam. Does anyone know if this new team has any other Brits to support?

nah daniel teklahamenot is on greenedge

 

[webvan]

This does not look very good for Rogers, but then yes it's obvious he was doping at TK in 2006 and 2007 so doesn't qualify under the new SKY rules. Naturally Riis and Bertie have no issues with past dopers being in that category themselves...

 

[blackcat]

this is the Clinic. Like Ulrich said, if you have not worked it out for yourself. On the very rare example, perhaps Linus is only using a little testo and hgh for recovery therapy, but the pro's dont suddenly start to dope, the stop, this defies all rational psychology.

I dont know if this is a very respectful thread, cos its not. How Brailsford just unleashed the Four Horsemen. Did he have Matthew Freud Rupert's son-in-law advise him on crisis handling, cos I think he misinterpreted it for crisis creation.

 

[the sceptic]

I dont understand. Rogers was better than ever last year. The best domestique in the tour. why let him go?

 

[webvan]

Well because he doped in the past and that Sky's (silly I think) zero tolerance policy does not allow for that. More than a "domestique" he was actually singled out by Wiggins as being an excellent captain who kept everyone cool when things got testy.

 

[DominicDecoco]

The it-company CSC is loving this thread.

I mean, really? When did they leave the sport? 2006-7?

 

[Netserk]

The it-company CSC is loving this thread.

I mean, really? When did they leave the sport? 2006-7?

Sponsored the team in 2008, so left 08/09.

 

[del1962]

Its a shame because of what he dabbled with in the past Sky will lose a good rider, hope he doesnt slip back into past habits under Tinkoff/Riss

Why can't the person who put the op-ed up get hisnew team right, points to his general ignorance which can be verified in the logical fallacy of his post

 

[LaFlorecita]

Its a shame because of what he dabbled with in the past Sky will lose a good rider, hope he doesnt slip back into past habits under Tinkoff/Riss

Why can't the person who put the op-ed up get hisnew team right, points to his general ignorance which can be verified in the logical fallacy of his post

Brilliant .

 

[JimmyFingers]

I dont understand. Rogers was better than ever last year. The best domestique in the tour. why let him go?

This a clearly a result of Sky's zero-tolerance. Ex-Telekom, worked with Ferrari, no way he was clean and able to sign their declaration.

You would hope that such letting such a strong rider go is a sign of Sky's commitment to riding clean, and that while suspicions remain of his performances in 2012, that Sky weren't complicit in his possible/probable doping. But people will draw their own conclusions.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Well because he doped in the past and that Sky's (silly I think) zero tolerance policy does not allow for that. More than a "domestique" he was actually singled out by Wiggins as being an excellent captain who kept everyone cool when things got testy.

Sky have let go of more than someone with a good engine, as you point point out someone with huge experience and a very good road captain, neither of which have anything to do with whether he didn't or didn't dope. It's a very bold move, albeit done nefariously, letting him leave by the back door and without any explicit, only implied, guilt of doping.

But then that suspicion has been there well before he signed for Sky, as has been discussed, and his association with Ferrari known before the USADA report.

Libertine Seguros as often cited his departure as a measuring stick of the seriousness of Sky's anti-doping policy. Stay despite the suspicions and it is a sham, go and they are trying to be true to their word. So he's gone, out the back door admittedly but gone still. He wasn't going to ever admit to doping, and Sky lacked the proof to terminate his contract, so this is the middle ground.

Undoubtedly he had figured in Sky's plan for 2013, so him leaving is a strong statement IMO. But then, as I say, it is open to other interpretations.

 

[martinvickers]

Sky have let go of more than someone with a good engine, as you point point out someone with huge experience and a very good road captain, neither of which have anything to do with whether he didn't or didn't dope. It's a very bold move, albeit done nefariously, letting him leave by the back door and without any explicit, only implied, guilt of doping.

But then that suspicion has been there well before he signed for Sky, as has been discussed, and his association with Ferrari known before the USADA report.

Libertine Seguros as often cited his departure as a measuring stick of the seriousness of Sky's anti-doping policy. Stay despite the suspicions and it is a sham, go and they are trying to be true to their word. So he's gone, out the back door admittedly but gone still. He wasn't going to ever admit to doping, and Sky lacked the proof to terminate his contract, so this is the middle ground.

Undoubtedly he had figured in Sky's plan for 2013, so him leaving is a strong statement IMO. But then, as I say, it is open to other interpretations.

Agree on all points, more or less. Pretty obviously the case with Yates too - seem to be split into two goups - those who confess and leave - Sky will ensure compo - those who can't/won't confess, but may be in trouble in nearfuture and are willing to leave with no fuss - No compo, but Sky's "best wishes for future endeavours" on way out. not exactly noble, but at least hints at taking policy seriously.

 

[the sceptic]

This a clearly a result of Sky's zero-tolerance. Ex-Telekom, worked with Ferrari, no way he was clean and able to sign their declaration.

You would hope that such letting such a strong rider go is a sign of Sky's commitment to riding clean, and that while suspicions remain of his performances in 2012, that Sky weren't complicit in his possible/probable doping. But people will draw their own conclusions.

So sky didnt have zero tolerance when they signed him in the first place? Or did they just find out about his Ferrari past?

 

[webvan]

Assuming they asked, they certainly did not ask for a signed document like they did this year. Still what a waste when you have dopers united running Saxo/Tinkoff, whatever it's called this week.

 

[BroDeal]

Agree on all points, more or less. Pretty obviously the case with Yates too - seem to be split into two goups - those who confess and leave - Sky will ensure compo - those who can't/won't confess, but may be in trouble in nearfuture and are willing to leave with no fuss - No compo, but Sky's "best wishes for future endeavours" on way out. not exactly noble, but at least hints at taking policy seriously.

The first group is not those who confess. It is those who the public has connected to doping. How many people has Johan Brailsford let go that do not have a cloud hanging over them? Zero. It is an obvious sham.

 

[martinvickers]

The first group is not those who confess. It is those who the public has connected to doping. How many people has Johan Brailsford let go that do not have a cloud hanging over them? Zero. It is an obvious sham.

Has it occurred to you that maybe some people who don't have a cloud over them, have no cloud because they have nothing to confess? I'd have thought there's plenty who HAVE clouds to chase first, before starting to go after those with none!!

 

[JimmyFingers]

So sky didnt have zero tolerance when they signed him in the first place? Or did they just find out about his Ferrari past?

Sky are no angels, this much is clear. Rogers association with Ferrari was well known, so yes, they should have never have signed him. Of course there were no positives, so they could sign him and their ZTP remain intact officially.

They've made plenty of mistakes, this is obvious, its again up to the individual as to what conclusions you draw from that. Brailsford seems to be indicating they relaxed their zero-tolerance and are regretting it. One conclusion to draw is they changed tack to embrace doping, another other was that to exclude anyone that had any suspicion meant they lacked experience, particularly in senior staff.

 

[BroDeal]

Has it occurred to you that maybe some people who don't have a cloud over them, have no cloud because they have nothing to confess?

Since 80 - 90% of riders were doping just a few years ago, you would have to be a imbecile to think that Sky is not loaded to the gunnels with people with a doping past.

 

[JimmyFingers]

The first group is not those who confess. It is those who the public has connected to doping. How many people has Johan Brailsford let go that do not have a cloud hanging over them? Zero. It is an obvious sham.

Please, be serious. Clinic logic dictates everyone has a cloud over them, and you can't fire employees on that sort of logic. And you're not exactly buying into seriousness by calling him Johan, are you?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Since 80 - 90% of riders were doping just a few years ago, you would have to be a imbecile to think that Sky is not loaded to the gunnels with people with a doping past.

So Sky's roster has to be made upof neo-pros only then