Rogers to CSC!

[martinvickers]

Since 80 - 90% of riders were doping just a few years ago, you would have to be a imbecile to think that Sky is not loaded to the gunnels with people with a doping past.

define few, please.

 

[BroDeal]

Please, be serious. Clinic logic dictates everyone has a cloud over them, and you can't fire employees on that sort of logic. And you're not exactly buying into seriousness by calling him Johan, are you?

Not my fault that you are too thick to take the widespread prevalence of doping just a few years ago and draw the obvious conclusion that Johan Brailsford's policy is an blatant public relations bamboozle. It is not believable in any way except to Sky cheering mouthbreathers. The fact that he would try to push such a scam on the public shows that he views anti-doping policies as just a cynical way to manipulate the prols.
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[JimmyFingers]

Not my fault that you are too thick to take the widespread prevalence of doping just a few years ago and draw the obvious conclusion that Johan Brailsford's policy is an blatant public relations bamboozle. It is not believable in any way except to Sky cheering mouthbreathers. The fact that he would try to push such a scam on the public shows that he views anti-doping policies as just a cynical way to manipulate the prols.
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Yawn. No debate, just insults

 

[thehog]

Yawn. No debate, just insults

I think he raised very good points. So much so you're avoiding responding to them. Avoiding the debate is not debating.

Why even respond?

 

[JimmyFingers]

I think he raised very good points. So much so you're avoiding responding to them. Avoiding the debate is not debating.

That I'm thick and breath through my mouth? Clearly good points to you, Hoggo, laughable to me however

 

[BroDeal]

So Sky's roster has to be made upof neo-pros only then

Wow. Some actual signs of brain activity from a Sky fanboy. Now you need to think just a little bit harder to figure out that a team trying to fool the plublic with a zero tolerance policy while the team contains veteran riders and staff is not believable.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

It's just as likely that he is leaving because of the internal bickering on the team bus between Froome and Wiggins, as it is the total hypocrisy of the Murdoch media machines PR strategy. Word was he had already signed the declaration of kindergarten public accountability...

I can't be the only fan that's sick to death of the the 'we're so Fing clean' megaphone teams that are obviously playing a pretence to a naive audience, and at the cost of both the sport, and the teams out their who are making, and always have made, considerable efforts to repair cycling with out feeling the need to use it as a publicity stunt.

News International needed something to address the atrocious public image of their brands, and i'm quite frankly stunned at the number of people who can't see that this is anything other than typical of their methodology.

Irrespective of wether Team Sky is clean or dirty, they are a laughing stock in the manner of their puritan fundamentalism and outright hypocrisy.

It is as such no surprise then when the Team GB/Sky apologists try and twist this into a moral victory for sky, and a tool for attacking a rival team, while ignoring the reality that the rider rode for sky at the TDF in 2012, and that the manner of that teams performance raised more eyebrows among fans than any other since that of US Postal. You can't have it both ways. Either sky have a miracle solution to prevent doping, or they are a sham of hypocrisy for their proclamations, and the implied disrespect to other teams. Likewise the protestations of their fanboys against other teams about which they clearly don't have a clue about the policies in place.

good luck on the new team Mick, and i trust you stay true to your word. At least you won't have to listen to the F, W, and C word every 5mins anymore.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Please, be serious. Clinic logic dictates everyone has a cloud over them, and you can't fire employees on that sort of logic. And you're not exactly buying into seriousness by calling him Johan, are you?

That is not "Clinic logic' - that is an accurate reflection on the history of the sport.
While one should not fire someone on that logic, one should be more prudent when hiring people in the first place.

 

[JRanton]

It's undoubtebly a cynical PR exercise in response to the USADA bomb exploding. Sky were in the spotlight after their success this year and the Michael Barry confession led to serious pressure/questions from social media and most significantly from the mainstream British press about other members of the team. How do you stop the whispers and the speculation? You ditch everyone with a dodgy history and as a bonus get accused of being too harsh on dopers! Perfect!

There's still more to do though. Servais Knaven shouldn't be there and if the Shane Sutton speculation develops into something concrete then the whole pack of cards will come crashing down.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Wow. Some actual signs of brain activity from a Sky fanboy. Now you need to think just a little bit harder to figure out that a team trying to fool the plublic with a zero tolerance policy while the team contains veteran riders and staff is not believable.

You know, despite the veiled insults I actually like this post because it shows just a hint of acknowledgement of Sky trying to be clean, but also the impossibility of the task, given the tiny degrees of separation within the pro-peloton from dirty to clean.

Sky and Brailsford do a lot of talking, and make themselves a target because of it, but I maintain, and this is an opinion, that they are trying to do the right thing

 

[thehog]

That I'm thick and breath through my mouth? Clearly good points to you, Hoggo, laughable to me however

No I don't think you're thick. Never would think such a thing

 

[BroDeal]

You know, despite the veiled insults I actually like this post because it shows just a hint of acknowledgement of Sky trying to be clean, but also the impossibility of the task, given the tiny degrees of separation within the pro-peloton from dirty to clean.

Sky and Brailsford do a lot of talking, and make themselves a target because of it, but I maintain, and this is an opinion, that they are trying to do the right thing

If Brailsford was trying to do the right thing then he would have policies similar to Vaughters instead of this zero tolerance swindle he is attempting to pull on the public. It looks suspiciously like the PR flailings of a guilty man.

Does anyone know if Brailsford has been getting advice from Fabiani?

 

[JRanton]

If Brailsford was trying to do the right thing then he would have policies similar to Vaughters instead of this zero tolerance swindle he is attempting to pull on the public. It looks suspiciously like the PR flailings of a guilty man.

Does anyone know if Brailsford has been getting advice from Fabiani?

I doubt Sky would have agreed to fund the team if the Vaughters policy had been in place. It just wouldn't work with the British public/press.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I was going to say that Mick Rogers has never been so popular, but I see he's now disappeared entirely from his own thread.

 

[BroDeal]

I doubt Sky would have agreed to fund the team if the Vaughters policy had been in place. It just wouldn't work with the British public/press.

I can see it now.

XX: Cheerio, mate. I just got back from Sky HQ. A bit of a problem. They say a policy based on the realities of cycling won't work with the public. We'll have to lie.

DB: But that's not cricket. My honor, my integrity...

XX: You cannot spend integrity. The team will be on twenty million pounds a year.

DB: Oh. That does change things. [laughing]

 

[richtea]

Why does he say goodbye at the beginning of the conversation?

 

[noddy69]

I have to say that the anti-doping agenda would be pushed by sky who would not fund a team that may affect the brand with drug scandals, after the Armstrong affair it would have been an ultimatum to get rid of those associated for that very reason. The same logic would be applied by sky to hiring ex dopers as that can affect the brand.

Whether the team is actually clean would not be their concern,just that it seems to be. Its not that they care either way its just a business decision. But if they knew there was a chance a rider could get caught they would push for him to go,of that I have no doubt. Business decisions made to keep sky in the headlines for the right reasons built on a business model of excellence and doing the right thing,not cheating and lying. These policies seriously annoy Brail and the lads you can tell when they have to do the work and tow the line for the money rather than hide away and bull on about marginal gains.

 

[Madone]

Someone should read this article with Sky´s words about the reason he stopped after his contract ended http://translate.google.dk/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.feltet.dk%2Fnyheder%2Fteam_sky_det_var_rogers_eget_valg%2F&act=url

And remember that he had contract for 2010-2012 and not 2010-2013 as CN said in numerous articles.

I have more then once said so when they have written it on the front page but every time the moderators have canceled my writing "great work moderators" even when I linked to there own article from 2009 with the contract announced.

 

[BroDeal]

Someone should read this article with Sky´s words about the reason he stopped after his contract ended http://translate.google.dk/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.feltet.dk%2Fnyheder%2Fteam_sky_det_var_rogers_eget_valg%2F&act=url

And remember that he had contract for 2010-2012 and not 2010-2013 as CN said in numerous articles.

I have more then once said so when they have written it on the front page but every time the moderators have canceled my writing "great work moderators" even when I linked to there own article from 2010 with the contract announced.

Uh-huh. That's why Rogers switched teams in December, after the date when his points would benefit a team desperate for points.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Uh-huh. That's why Rogers switched teams in December, after the date when his points would benefit a team desperate for points.

Yeah that's the biggest fubar - the system is broken AND Rogers still went with it. Unbelievable.

 

[Ferminal]

The it-company CSC is loving this thread.

I mean, really? When did they leave the sport? 2006-7?

The train they have assembled is reminiscent of Riis Cycling circa CSC.

 

[JRanton]

Uh-huh. That's why Rogers switched teams in December, after the date when his points would benefit a team desperate for points.

Exactly.

http://nicosix.wordpress.com/category/cyclisme/classements-2012/points-coureurs-2012/

Rogers had the third highest number of points (99) of any rider out of contract at the end of the season behind Nibali and Kreuziger. 4th highest if you count Cavendish who wasn't actually out of contract but was ''available''. Those 99 points would have been enough to secure many teams a top 15 place in the UCI's sporting value ranking. They'd have been enough to move Saxo Tinkoff (the very team he's now signed for!) to within touching distance of the top 15. The idea that Rogers just sat about twiddling his thumbs until the end of the season, fully in the knowledge that he had accumlated a hugely significant number of ranking points, only to then wait until after the world tour license deadline had expired to sign for another team is just utterly ludicrous. So utterly ludicrous of course that it didn't actually happen!

As Daniel Benson points out on twitter, Rogers had agreed to an extension with Sky before the USADA bomb hit. He then proceeded to sign Sky's anti-doping document. I'd imagine the final straw for Sky which led to them flogging him to Riis was the Hamilton interview a few weeks back when he called out Rogers on his doping past.

I even remember reading an article only last month that carried quotes from Rogers talking about how much he was looking forward to riding the Giro with Wiggins next year for goodness sake!

 

[BroDeal]

Exactly...

I suppose we should just stop trying. The Sky homers are operating in their own reality, which is devoid of common sense.

 

[thehog]

Exactly.

http://nicosix.wordpress.com/category/cyclisme/classements-2012/points-coureurs-2012/

Rogers had the third highest number of points (99) of any rider out of contract at the end of the season behind Nibali and Kreuziger. 4th highest if you count Cavendish who wasn't actually out of contract but was ''available''. Those 99 points would have been enough to secure many teams a top 15 place in the UCI's sporting value ranking. They'd have been enough to move Saxo Tinkoff (the very team he's now signed for!) to within touching distance of the top 15. The idea that Rogers just sat about twiddling his thumbs until the end of the season, fully in the knowledge that he had accumlated a hugely significant number of ranking points, only to then wait until after the world tour license deadline had expired to sign for another team is just utterly ludicrous. So utterly ludicrous of course that it didn't actually happen!

As Daniel Benson points out on twitter, Rogers had agreed to an extension with Sky before the USADA bomb hit. He then proceeded to sign Sky's anti-doping document. I'd imagine the final straw for Sky which led to them flogging him to Riis was the Hamilton interview a few weeks back when he called out Rogers on his doping past.

I even remember reading an article only last month that carried quotes from Rogers talking about how much he was looking forward to riding the Giro with Wiggins next year for goodness sake!

Saxo should take his points and send him down to the minors.

Off load him. He's toxic waste. Even more so for doping at Sky and crushing the field at the Tour.

It was an embarrassment that even Armstrong would have coincided 'not normal'.

 

[JRanton]

I suppose we should just stop trying. The Sky homers are operating in their own reality, which is devoid of common sense.

That's to be expected but what I find more frustrating is that no cycling journalist has pointed out in an article that a) Rogers was sitting on a very substantial number of points and b) that he apparently decided to wait until after the world tour license deadline had expired to sign for another team. By pointing that out you can effectively call out Sky and Rogers on their nonsense reasons for his departure without getting into any legal bother.