Ryder's blood

[blackcat]

Nothing at stake?

No major costs.

Riiiight.

Seriously. Step back and have a think about that.

Both are still paying the price of honesty.

No wonder Ryder gave his bullsh1t watered down confession non-confession.

Such tripe.

no. Landis came out with a Qui Tam case a full truth, after Bruyneel had not given him a ride on RadioShack. And the Ouch Healthnet domestic career never was gonna give him any ride back to the continent.

Jaksche had no more options, and no employment hopes in Europe.

ONLY then, did they go nuclear. Before, they kept it behind the veil. I dont know why you write this sh!t Hog. Best go back to shining your pedals.

 

[DirtyWorks]

no sports orgs, have ever seriously made a fist of retesting samples.

its like catching a bank robber from 5 years ago, when he/she is sunning themself in the Bahamas. if you pop someone then, it only brings bad PR on the sport.

Just

Wont

Happen

I'm being pedantic, but it just happened this year with the IAAF. Somebody got really close to Jamaica Track and Field too. Why? <shrug>

Would cycling do the same thing? <shrug>

 

[blackcat]

I'm being pedantic, but it just happened this year with the IAAF. Somebody got really close to Jamaica Track and Field too. Why? <shrug>

Would cycling do the same thing? <shrug>

but did they not retest a heap of Athens samples? But just not the high profile T&F and swimming gold medalists.

Remember the quote from Don Catlin as he was retesting the 84 Olympic trials samples in about 88, and the samples came up flashing like a CSI bluelight looking at semen stains on Monica Lewinskys blue velvet dress. And Catlin said something like, nothing good can come out of this, lets best put these back in the locked box.

 

[roundabout]

no. Landis came out with a Qui Tam case a full truth, after Bruyneel had not given him a ride on RadioShack. And the Ouch Healthnet domestic career never was gonna give him any ride back to the continent.

Jaksche had no more options, and no employment hopes in Europe.

ONLY then, did they go nuclear. Before, they kept it behind the veil. I dont know why you write this sh!t Hog. Best go back to shining your pedals.

Jaksche could have kept on riding after a ban, but I suppose he was fed up by that point

 

[thehog]

no. Landis came out with a Qui Tam case a full truth, after Bruyneel had not given him a ride on RadioShack. And the Ouch Healthnet domestic career never was gonna give him any ride back to the continent.

Jaksche had no more options, and no employment hopes in Europe.

ONLY then, did they go nuclear. Before, they kept it behind the veil. I dont know why you write this sh!t Hog. Best go back to shining your pedals.

Seriously.

Those guys last rode around 2006.

Its now 2013. Thats a whole lot soul searching and not knowing what to do next.

JJ didn't go nuclear. He spoke to Spiegel in 2007 then rode for Tinkoff. It was McQuaid who pulled him from that squad. He would have kept riding if it wasn't for the UCI not wanting scumbags riding on teams.

JJ never named another cyclist. Ever. No nuclear as far as I can see. He tried speaking with the UCI. They would't listen.

But you know you invent your truth if makes you happy.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

that's of course a possibility.
it's funny timing in any case.
does the article say who triggered the decision and whether it has anything to do with hesjedal's case?

the retesting is a distraction at this time.

The Leinders and Zorzoli angle is where the focus should be directed.

Fix UCI first.

 

[oldcrank]

That story and a bit more: click > The Montreal Gazette - Aug 14, 1974

Yes. Jocelyn Lovell is the Canadian I referenced earlier.
A few years after that article he won a silver medal in
the Kilo at the worlds where the East Germans won the
other two medals in the kilo, two of three medals in the
sprint, all three medals in the individual pursuit, and of
course the team pursuit as well.
Jocelyn Lovell would be a much loved and admired cult
hero on this forum if it was known that he beat Shane
Sutton out of a gold medal in the 10 mile scratch race,
the blue riband event on the velodrome, at the 1978
Commonwealth Games.

 

[Netserk]

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/396704361457274881

that's not what he said. Thats what Rasmussen said..2003 and 2004 is what Ryder said in affidavit.

Doesn't match with this (at least the way I read it):

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edit: and what Ryder said (from CN article):

"Cycling is my life and has been ever since I can remember. I have loved and lived this sport but more than a decade ago, I chose the wrong path," Hesjedal said. "And even though those mistakes happened more than 10 years ago, and they were short-lived, it does not change the fact that I made them and I have lived with that and been sorry for it ever since.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Retesting now is just a waste of the samples. What new substances or techniques can they detect now that they couldn't detect a year and a half ago? They should do like the IAAF, wait as long as they can before they retest the samples.

For starters: according to the blood profile released by JV, the day Ryder won the pink jersey of the Giro he was not tested. In fact from memory he held pink for another 2 days and was only tested after the second day.

If they took a sample on the day he assumed the pink, it would, IMO, be worth testing that sample.

 

[sniper]

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/396704361457274881



Doesn't match with this (at least the way I read it):

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15743/Canadian-Centre-for-Ethics-in-Sport-says-Hesjedal-should-have-spoken-out-sooner-about-doping-confession.aspx
edit: and what Ryder said (from CN article):

well spotted.
(very) odd contradictions that need to be addressed by those involved.

 

[Cyivel]

well spotted.
(very) odd contradictions that need to be addressed by those involved.

He's addressed the more than 10 years ago by saying that was when Ryder made the decision to dope, not washing with some people.

 

[Netserk]

well spotted.
(very) odd contradictions that need to be addressed by those involved.

According to JV on twitter:

Ryder doped from meeting with Ras in Autumn '03 to OG '04 (As for all he knows), and the 10 years ago refers to when he started. Apparently 'short-lived' is a year...

 

[sniper]

According to JV on twitter:

Ryder doped from meeting with Ras in Autumn '03 to OG '04 (As for all he knows), and the 10 years ago refers to when he started. Apparently 'short-lived' is a year...

"Things that happened more than 10myears ago " is not very ambiguous.
it means what it means and doesnt match the doping in 04.
So thats a lie by heshedal in my book.

 

[del1962]

Short lived is a year for doping, but a long time ago is less than a year for confessing

 

[Benotti69]

Short lived is a year for doping, but a long time ago is less than a year for confessing

Amazing how good you are at dissecting and interpreting Garmins PR mess ups but ignore Sky's.

 

[rhubroma]

Did Christ die of fever, or was he nailed to the cross?

 

[oldcrank]

Are we being too harsh with Ryder before 'walking a mile
in his muk-luks' and fully understanding Canadian culture?
After all, hasn't the mayor of Canada's largest city also
admitted this week to "making mistakes in the past" and
don't the lyrics to Canada's de facto national anthem go:
I like liquor and wh0res, liquor and wh0res,
Cigarettes and DOPE and mustard and baloney,
Liquor and wh0res?

 

[TheEnoculator]

Are we being too harsh with Ryder before 'walking a mile
in his muk-luks' and fully understanding Canadian culture?
After all, hasn't the mayor of Canada's largest city also
admitted this week to "making mistakes in the past" and
don't the lyrics to Canada's de facto national anthem go:
I like liquor and wh0res, liquor and wh0res,
Cigarettes and DOPE and mustard and baloney,
Liquor and wh0res?

I'm Canadian. And I can tell you for a fact that Canadians don't have the highest moral standards in the world. We b!tch and complain on social media if politicians or sport icons misbehave, but that's all. If they show up in person, we still welcome them with open arms. We are too lenient.

 

[frenchfry]

Are we being too harsh with Ryder before 'walking a mile
in his muk-luks' and fully understanding Canadian culture?
After all, hasn't the mayor of Canada's largest city also
admitted this week to "making mistakes in the past" and
don't the lyrics to Canada's de facto national anthem go:
I like liquor and wh0res, liquor and wh0res,
Cigarettes and DOPE and mustard and baloney,
Liquor and wh0res?

Ryder has sunk pretty low if he is being compared to that fat, obnoxious pig Rob Ford.

 

[Berzin]

Let's keep this on-topic please.

 

[pastronef]

https://twitter.com/jdkrabbe/status/409915031791226880/photo/1/large

Hesjedal working on it

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

https://twitter.com/jdkrabbe/status/409915031791226880/photo/1/large

hesjedal working on it

90%?
-------

 

[42x16ss]

Amazing how good you are at dissecting and interpreting Garmins PR mess ups but ignore Sky's.

What? That would never happen around here!

 

[D-Queued]

https://twitter.com/jdkrabbe/status/409915031791226880/photo/1/large

Hesjedal working on it

That is a very funny image and message juxtaposition.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Perhaps Ryder can write a book like Hincapie? or even open a hotel together as the voices of change?