Ryder's blood

[Ferminal]

He must be so ****ing ****ed at the TTT, though surprised after that he didn't pull out and refocus on the Tour. Deserves a good result now.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

I was reading through the early pages of this thread while it was bumped. I think a lot of the discussion over his 3rd week blood tests was also in the JV thread.

Ryder is Canadian; he's used to it snowing 18' a day.

 

[Ferminal]

Pretty cold in Hawaii and Catalunya too

 

[Benotti69]

If you believed Hincapie stopped doping in 2006 then so did Hesjedal...

 

[thehog]

If you believed Hincapie stopped doping in 2006 then so did Hesjedal...

It's very noble they way he faced the media over his doping. He's a true champion.

 

[thehog]

It's very noble they way he faced the media over his doping. He's a true champion.

True champion attacking on a neutralized decent as well

All class.

 

[Netserk]

True champion attacking on a neutralized decent as well

All class.

1) He didn't attack on it.

2) It wasn't neutralized.

You're welcome.

 

[Benotti69]

I know I can go with the best when the going gets tough

Hmmm are you doping like the rest then Ryder

 

[D-Queued]

1) He didn't attack on it.

2) It wasn't neutralized.

You're welcome.

Perhaps you were confused.

Confusion over ‘neutralization’ throws Giro into chaos

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Perhaps you were confused.

Confusion over ‘neutralization’ throws Giro into chaos

Dave.

That's what I we referencing. The confustion and taking advantage thereof. Probably not a smartest move from a guy who already got a free pass for doping.

 

[D-Queued]

1) He didn't attack on it.

2) It wasn't neutralized.

You're welcome.

While we are at it:

Quintana insisted he was following attacks from Ryder Hesjedal (Garmin-Sharp) and Pierre Rolland (Europcar) coming off the Stelvio.

Just quoting.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Shocking turn of events that there was confusion in Italy...

 

[red_flanders]

Perhaps you were confused.

Confusion over ‘neutralization’ throws Giro into chaos

Dave.

This is particularly nice:

As Dario Cataldo (Sky) neared the “Cima Coppi” of the Giro’s highest point at 2,758m with 69km to go, the Giro’s official Twitter account posted the following message: “Stelvio descent neutralized due to snow.”

...

Several minutes later, the message was erased, and replaced with an apology: “Wrong communication: no neutralization for the descent from the Passo dello Stelvio. Sorry for the wrong information. #giro”

Giro race director Mauro Vegni said there was never any official communication to teams about neutralizing the descent.

I'm officially confused about what communication is official. We should notify the proper officials. Officially.

 

[Master50]

There was no neutralization. Ryder and Quntana were only 1 minute ahead after the descent and gained several more minutes on the climb regardless of of the so called neutralization. the rest of the GC contenders lost most of their time to the front runners on the last climb. Worst case they got 1 free minute. With 12.9 Km the lead is 1:40 and growing. Uran, pots, rogers, evans and several other top gc riders don't seem to be closing on Quintana. Hesjedal and Rollin are not taking pulls.

Yeah they made all their time on the descent, by attacking during a false neutralization that was never announced on race radio?
O look another 10 seconds 800 meters later. looks like the GC group was blown to me. 11.3 km and 2 minutes. Just watching the recording from this morning

 

[thehog]

There was no neutralization. Ryder and Quntana were only 1 minute ahead after the descent and gained several more minutes on the climb regardless of of the so called neutralization. the rest of the GC contenders lost most of their time to the front runners on the last climb. Worst case they got 1 free minute. With 12.9 Km the lead is 1:40 and growing. Uran, pots, rogers, evans and several other top gc riders don't seem to be closing on Quintana. Hesjedal and Rollin are not taking pulls.

Yeah they made all their time on the descent, by attacking during a false neutralization that was never announced on race radio?
O look another 10 seconds 800 meters later. looks like the GC group was blown to me. 11.3 km and 2 minutes. Just watching the recording from this morning

The problem really was the mixed messages not whether their was neutralization or not.

One minute is one minute. In those conditions it's like 10 minutes, especially to a guy like Quintana who's decending is not his strong suit.

Ryder? Less said the better.

 

[Big Doopie]

The Hesj man is awesome!

After giro 2012.

Best shape of his life crashes out of TDF.
Hands Dan Martin victories at both catalog a and LBL in 2013.
Dominating first days of Giro 2013. Hit by infection.
In second place at TdS after an amazing first MTF where he escaped from the best for like 8k but then crashes out. Hurts his TdF.

People forget that he has been hit by incredible bad luck. Then the TTT.

but holy crap. The guy never says die. The other day he was dropped by everyone with 8k to go and kept coming back -- finally leading in Evans and pozzo.

But the man Hesj needs lots of mountains and not just a MTF sprint like that day. That's why I fear he will lose a lot of time on the MTT.

Hesj at the pointy end of things seems way more natural than frauds like Clentadoppucci and Piti.

Go go Ro Ro as well!!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You know he was a doper and has accusations of doping all the way back to his MTB days, replete with centrifuge in his traveling case, etc?

 

[Big Doopie]

You know he was a doper and has accusations of doping all the way back to his MTB days, replete with centrifuge in his traveling case, etc?

Yup. And your point?

At some point in his career he made a very distinct choice. That is very clear to me.

Riders like Clentadoppucci and Piti actually want you to believe that they have always been clean.

If you don't see the difference, some deity please help you.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yup. And your point?

At some point in his career he made a very distinct choice. That is very clear to me.

Riders like Clentadoppucci and Piti actually want you to believe that they have always been clean.

If you don't see the difference, some deity please help you.

Please show me evidence of your claim that riders like X & Y want me to believe anything?

What choice did Ryder make, and do you have any evidence at all to corroborate his alleged choice?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

In 2005, JV explained his high Hct at the start of the 1999 Tour as an aberration due to poorly calibrated testing equipment.

In 2012 he explained the high Hct for Ryder at the start of the 2012 Giro as an aberration due to poorly calibrated testing equipment.

SSDD.

Not buying it.

 

[M Sport]

At some point in his career he made a very distinct choice. That is very clear to me.

Riders like Clentadoppucci and Piti actually want you to believe that they have always been clean.

The choice to start doping? Or the choice to allegedly stop doping in 2006? He's no different to the other riders you list, they just play the system in different ways. Some would argue he's made more of a mockery of the system than those other two riders as well.

 

[Big Doopie]

Lol, u guys are a real fun bunch.

As I said, if you can't see the difference, god help u.

It's wasted breath.

Cheerio!

 

[Hugh Januss]

Yup. And your point?

At some point in his career he made a very distinct choice. That is very clear to me.

Riders like Clentadoppucci and Piti actually want you to believe that they have always been clean.

If you don't see the difference, some deity please help you.

So better to be a doper who admits to "making a mistake when I was younger" but claims to be cleans now, rather than trying to claim cleans all along? I'm sorry, maybe I'm not too bright but I really don't see much difference.
Doping.............always been cleans.
Doping.............well yeah I was because I was outed for it, but now I am cleans as the snow and racing on a cleans team, thank god the results have only gotten better and I'm making more and more money.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Lol, u guys are a real fun bunch.

As I said, if you can't see the difference, god help u.

It's wasted breath.

Cheerio!

Let me simplify the whole argument. Difference? There is NO fricken difference.
Well he is Canadian and they are practically British (except for the minority that is practically French) so............maybe not doping.

 

[thehog]

The Hesj man is awesome!

After giro 2012.

Best shape of his life crashes out of TDF.
Hands Dan Martin victories at both catalog a and LBL in 2013.
Dominating first days of Giro 2013. Hit by infection.
In second place at TdS after an amazing first MTF where he escaped from the best for like 8k but then crashes out. Hurts his TdF.

People forget that he has been hit by incredible bad luck. Then the TTT.

but holy crap. The guy never says die. The other day he was dropped by everyone with 8k to go and kept coming back -- finally leading in Evans and pozzo.

But the man Hesj needs lots of mountains and not just a MTF sprint like that day. That's why I fear he will lose a lot of time on the MTT.

Hesj at the pointy end of things seems way more natural than frauds like Clentadoppucci and Piti.

Go go Ro Ro as well!!

You have to admit though that really he's not awesome. He lies a lot. Doesn't tell the truth, is very goofy and can't front the media over his doping. He's a bit useless all round. Today was a good example. Taking advantage of a situation she really he should be a leader.

He's not much different than any other cyclist in terms of doping but he's certainly not awesome. No chance of ever being awesome.