Ryder's blood

[D-Queued]

A beneficiary he is indeed. A career doper who got a free pass. Story of his life. Tutored by Chicken Rasmussen, Phonak, USPS, LS. The guy is a walking infomercial for drugs.

Didn't Floyd say he was clean...

There are those who believe everything Floyd says.

Then again, maybe he was talking about Axel Merckx.

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

Didn't Floyd say he was clean...

There are those who believe everything Floyd says.

Then again, maybe he was talking about Axel Merckx.

Dave.

but its a confirmation bias innit

like conspiracy theories, there is so much detail available for a selective editing, that one may now believe anything they wish to, and have a customised* suite of evidence.

moynihan entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts

Daniel Patrick Moynihan

 

[del1962]

Didn't Floyd say he was clean...

There are those who believe everything Floyd says.

Then again, maybe he was talking about Axel Merckx.

Dave.

I doon't see any reason for Floyd to lie about this, so he wasn't doping at Phonak or he was doing it without ppl like Floyd knowing (would that be likely?)

 

[Ferminal]

And Hesjedal probably didn't think Landis was doping. They never raced together and likely didn't do any real preparation together.

Oh nvm they did the Dauphine together, told you Floyd wasn't doping!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Charlie Wegelius on the phone with the Cycling Central guys just now saying Ryder is getting stronger as the race goes on, and Ryder probably has the most energy left of any of the contenders for the TT tomorrow and should have a good ride.

I realise PR, but yeah. Nah.

Bleh.

 

[thehog]

Didn't Floyd say he was clean...

There are those who believe everything Floyd says.

Then again, maybe he was talking about Axel Merckx.

Dave.

D-Queued I like your posts too much to create division. I agree with you. Floyd was part of it all as well but the difference being he slid his balls over the line and told it like it was. Even before his suspension he was standing up to the UCI over payments.

Ryder actively sort out how to dope, continued to do so and if not for Rassmussen's book no one would have ever known.

When the information was released he hid behind PR man Vaughters.

Hardly the acts of a man who cares about what he did.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I have no doubt that Ryder has been/is a serial doper, but I don't think he did anything wrong on the Stelvio.

These guys are going full out, freezing, trying to make it down a sketchy descent. It's tough to ask them to turn off the adrenaline when it's probably the only thing keeping them going.

 

[Afrank]

Charlie Wegelius on the phone with the Cycling Central guys just now saying Ryder is getting stronger as the race goes on, and Ryder probably has the most energy left of any of the contenders for the TT tomorrow and should have a good ride.

I realise PR, but yeah. Nah.

Bleh.

iirc one of his strengths is he usually is at his best in the 3rd week while others start to tire.

 

[D-Queued]

D-Queued I like your posts too much to create division. I agree with you. Floyd was part of it all as well but the difference being he slid his balls over the line and told it like it was. Even before his suspension he was standing up to the UCI over payments.

Ryder actively sort out how to dope, continued to do so and if not for Rassmussen's book no one would have ever known.

When the information was released he hid behind PR man Vaughters.

Hardly the acts of a man who cares about what he did.

Feel free to argue.

I never understood Floyd standing up for Ryder or Merckx.

If Floyd was doping on Stage 17, what was Axel on?

Floyd was doping at the Dauphine, but Ryder's performance there was much more suspicious.

The admissions in the Reasoned Decision, whereby Ryder admitted to doping on a team that Floyd was also a member, also make Floyd's statement(s) a bit odd. And the insights from Rasmussen underscore this even more.

Maybe it was just timing. Back when Floyd was claiming it was the JD & Beer, honesty had long been thrown out the window.

This is not to say that Ryder is not clean right now, but it is all a very murky past. Frankly, Quintana putting a minute into the Pink Jersey on the last km was more surprising to me.

Dave.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

iirc one of his strengths is he usually is at his best in the 3rd week while others start to tire.

Yeah really handy. Ideally your Hct would increase a bit for a key stage like a TT or something so you could gain some time.

 

[thehog]

Feel free to argue.

I never understood Floyd standing up for Ryder or Merckx.

If Floyd was doping on Stage 17, what was Axel on?

Floyd was doping at the Dauphine, but Ryder's performance there was much more suspicious.

The admissions in the Reasoned Decision, whereby Ryder admitted to doping on a team that Floyd was also a member, also make Floyd's statement(s) a bit odd. And the insights from Rasmussen underscore this even more.

Maybe it was just timing. Back when Floyd was claiming it was the JD & Beer, honesty had long been thrown out the window.

This is not to say that Ryder is not clean right now, but it is all a very murky past. Frankly, Quintana putting a minute into the Pink Jersey on the last km was more surprising to me.

Dave.

As an aside (will respond to the remaining points shortly); you'd fully expect a guy weighing what Quintana weights to out climb into heavier riders. I don't select him to ITT. Uran TTd like a demon, so if he starts holding Quintana on the super steep climbs then it's cause for concern.

That's how it was back in the 80s with Fabio Parra and Luis Herrera.

Ryder right now is an anomaly. Don't know what to make of him. I don't trust him but interestingly last year when he went *** skinny he got sick and dropped form. That as the way it should be. Not the Sky way whereby the more weight you lose the more power and form you gain.

 

[westerner]

Ryder right now is an anomaly. Don't know what to make of him. I don't trust him but interestingly last year when he went *** skinny he got sick and dropped form. That as the way it should be. Not the Sky way whereby the more weight you lose the more power and form you gain.

We know now that Ryder had been questioned by USADA and CCES in 2012 and spring 2013. He was being questioned by the media (http://http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/11/commentary/the-ryder-dilemma-when-to-come-in-from-the-dark_308771) for info on his late season start etc. I'm guessing he was pretty stressed trying to hold onto an increasingly tenuous secret. Stress=weightloss and poor health. Anyway that's the way I interpreted it then. Not everything has a doping explanation. Although I suppose one could argue this was a doping effect too, as it cant be easy managing the stress of maintaining a dirty secret and it's multidimensional coverup.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Hit a nerve wiv da klanicians, klearly. Lol.

Translation: I made a ridiculous statement and more than one person called me on it.

 

[Ferminal]

.

If Floyd was doping on Stage 17, what was Axel on?

He was pretty crazy on Alpe d'Huez too I think?

Fell back from the break and was pacing the bloodbaggers for what seemed like an eternity?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Translation: I made a ridiculous statement and more than one person called me on it.

Thank you, I was struggling to understand what was being said.

 

[D-Queued]

He was pretty crazy on Alpe d'Huez too I think?

Fell back from the break and was pacing the bloodbaggers for what seemed like an eternity?

I guess he was just a late bloomer.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

We know now that Ryder had been questioned by USADA and CCES in 2012 and spring 2013. He was being questioned by the media (http://http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/11/commentary/the-ryder-dilemma-when-to-come-in-from-the-dark_308771) for info on his late season start etc. I'm guessing he was pretty stressed trying to hold onto an increasingly tenuous secret. Stress=weightloss and poor health. Anyway that's the way I interpreted it then. Not everything has a doping explanation. Although I suppose one could argue this was a doping effect too, as it cant be easy managing the stress of maintaining a dirty secret and it's multidimensional coverup.

So that's why Wiggins and Froome are so skinny?

Holding on to a secret?

 

[sniper]

We know now that Ryder had been questioned by USADA and CCES in 2012 and spring 2013. He was being questioned by the media (http://http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/11/commentary/the-ryder-dilemma-when-to-come-in-from-the-dark_308771) for info on his late season start etc. I'm guessing he was pretty stressed trying to hold onto an increasingly tenuous secret. Stress=weightloss and poor health. Anyway that's the way I interpreted it then. Not everything has a doping explanation. Although I suppose one could argue this was a doping effect too, as it cant be easy managing the stress of maintaining a dirty secret and it's multidimensional coverup.

U gotta be kidding me.

At best you could claim that because the heat was on him he decided to tone down his program.

 

[blackcat]

Feel free to argue.

free, like public strategies, mark mckinnon, livestrong interns

If Floyd was doping on Stage 17, what was Axel on?

i am on my bike, 24 hours a day busting my @rse whatta you on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIl5RxhLZ5U

 

[blackcat]

U gotta be kidding me.

At best you could claim that because the heat was on him he decided to tone down his program.

/keep ill gotten gains

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Ryder's third week recovery is looking a lot more normal now: big result after the rest day, but dug too deep and suffering now.

Not the same rider who came prepared to smash the third week two years ago...

 

[Benotti69]

Hesjedal talks about his doping....

Vaughters says

Vaughters wrote in an email, “Ryder signed an agreement with USADA before he gave testimony, that basically states, ‘tell the truth and it’s six months if it’s within statute of limitations. If you lie, it’s a lifetime ban.’ [To suggest] that he might have lied about later years, is a bit ridiculous, because even if he doped much later on than 2004, he’d still get only six months. If someone came forward and called him out after he lied, he’s automatically banned for life. I encourage you to think about that for a minute and think about what logical decision any sane human would make in that situation.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014...st-doping-offenses_328778#qjHUuiMl5dOU5opk.99

Vaughters introduces 'logic' and 'sanity' into it when in reality logic and sanity are totally ignored as doping is not a choice that a sane person would make.

In relation to doping as Hejedal says "but I felt then that it was my only choice". When did that choice change? Hesjedal really got punished, even now at 33 if he walks away from cycling he has loads of money and a GT win. It is not like a lifetime ban would impoverish him overnight.

Yet again, anti doping fails the sport.

Hesjedal probably look at Levi, George and thought wow these guys barely got a slap on the wrist and they did not tell all, why should I?

 

[the sceptic]

“Its not an excuse, but I felt then that it was my only choice,” Hesjedal wrote in a follow-up email. “Before I chose to engage with Rasmussen (and I want to be clear that it was my choice), I had done everything the right way. But I thought to keep competing and be ‘professional,’ I had to do it. Looking back, of course I know it was wrong — it was stupid and wrong. I had the best results of my career well after I stopped doping. When I was doping, I was trying to show I was professional, to ‘be professional.’ At the time I thought it was just something I had to do. I was wrong.”
Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014...st-doping-offenses_328778#EuKSMD6t3dtDkXdP.99

It was his only choice, but at least it was his choice!

and good to know that doping doesnt work..

 

[Catwhoorg]

Taking JV at his word in that statement, I hope that was the offer made to everyone who got the 6 month holidays

A life ban for lying under oath during an investigation is a good stick.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Except there were a bunch of sworn affidavits Ryder could copy er corroborate. And very little likelihood of anyone outing him as a doper without incriminating themselves, given all the fish had apparently already been caught.

What am I missing?

It's like having a Aru up the road setting a time for you. Quintana doesn't have to go full ***, he can just beat him by a few seconds, thanks to race radio and race radio time splits.