Ryder's blood

[veganrob]

I think Tyler Hamilton addressed it in his book about BB's. Day after felt rather sluggish, then following days really kicked in

 

[IzzyStradlin]

You are correct. I am puzzled by the timing as well.

Maybe original plan was to go big the next day on the Stelvio, but he saw an opportunity and went for it early?

He had probably upped epo before getting blood.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Like a known doper* has told us, doping makes you ride backwards. The poor performance of Ferrari fueled dragsters is further proof of this.

Dave.

*Possibly a self-serving quote in this instance, of course

This is probably why we don't see a lot of people paying for Ferrari's services.

 

[westerner]

Tough day for Ryder and boss JV - lookin like clean era a myth, dark days still here.

Either they are like frogs on a lilly pad of naivety, did not have their fingers on the pulse like they thought or they are liars and credibility just did a big faceplant.

But the dark days are gone. “You just don’t think about it anymore,” he says. “It’s over.”

That’s what he wants Victorians, and cycling fans, to know.

jknox@timescolonist.com

 

[Benotti69]

Yeah of course a 'clean' guy for whom the dope never worked can win against a peloton where up to 90 guys are on the 'Ferrari juice'. How could he not win it clean! Ryder must have an enlarged heart, huge lungs, perfect length femur and was on his bike 6 hours a day busting his a$$.

 

[sniper]

Tough day for Ryder and boss JV - lookin like clean era a myth, dark days still here.

Either they are like frogs on a lilly pad of naivety, did not have their fingers on the pulse like they thought or they are liars and credibility just did a big faceplant.

But the dark days are gone. “You just don’t think about it anymore,” he says. “It’s over.”

That’s what he wants Victorians, and cycling fans, to know.

jknox@timescolonist.com

yeah, good reminder.
From the same interview:

Peloton cleans up

So the irony, and what makes all this so hard for Hesjedal to talk about, is that revelations of his past put a blot on a sport that has — and he is proud of this — taken big steps to clean itself up.

“The peloton is nothing like it was,” he says. “There’s no pressure [to dope]. There are no teams employing systematic programs.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/l...on-past-doping-1.1326391#sthash.kEf7JpQu.dpuf

hilarious.

 

[blackcat]

I think Tyler Hamilton addressed it in his book about BB's. Day after felt rather sluggish, then following days really kicked in

never read the tugboat book.

he lost me at chimera, so i would not know if i was reading the doppelganger's book, or the guy who has been od'ing on the vanity drugs and the mid-life crisis drugs. he looks more like andy d!ck the hollywood comedian now, who was recently arrested by the poh-leeece for nicking off in his mates Merc.

 

[Benotti69]

Gazzetta today: Danilo di Luca's statement to Padova magistrate was "the most precious testimony ever received by a magistrate [on doping]."

So Di Luca claiming 90% of Giro on dope, rest(10%) are in training mode...

So how did Ryder beat 90% doping?

By doping of course.

 

[westerner]

Who would a guessed that the day would come that The Killer would be looking better for his word than the Clean Team's Mr Clean Giro Champ. No twisting of words can excuse Ryder for his role in spreading the myth to help prop up his image. Puleeeze, he's no innocent new Gen, been in the thick of things for over 15 years - at least since he was teammates with Chicken when he EPO'ed up and won MTB World's in 1999.


"So the irony, and what makes all this so hard for Hesjedal to talk about, is that revelations of his past put a blot on a sport that has — and he is proud of this — taken big steps to clean itself up.

“The peloton is nothing like it was,” he says. “There’s no pressure [to dope]. There are no teams employing systematic programs."

http://ryderhesjedal.ca/victoria-pro-cyclist-ryder-hesjedal-comes-clean-on-past-doping/

Everyone now heads in the sand....that's the way we shall clean up cycling! Blech

 

[Benotti69]

So Rabottini, Climbers jersey 2012 Giro, popped for EPO. Hmmm maybe he should ride clean like Hesjedal and go faster

 

[D-Queued]

So Rabottini, Climbers jersey 2012 Giro, popped for EPO. Hmmm maybe he should ride clean like Hesjedal and go faster

Competitors were doping when Ryder won? Cycling is full of surprises.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

Competitors were doping when Ryder won?

you forgot the ,
or are seriously entertaining the thought they weren't?
I'd love to hear your arguments.

There's a hand full of guys out there that deserve to have the question "is he or is he not a doper?" hanging over there heads unanswered.
Ryder unfortunately does not belong to that category.
From a common sense perspective, there's not much of a question mark there.

 

[sniper]

Competitors were doping when Ryder won? Cycling is full of surprises.

Dave.

rethorical question, right?

Anyone who was really clean that Giro should have been disgusted to see Ryder win it.
But I haven't heard a single complaint.

 

[Benotti69]

Competitors were doping when Ryder won? Cycling is full of surprises.

Dave.

Yes it is, because Italians being fashionista's should've known that doping is no longer cool!

cleans is the new trend

 

[DirtyWorks]

I actually read Canadian Cycling's report on doping practices, not the summary, and the only thing the report does for me is make Ryder out to be as compromised as the rest of the sport.

http://www.canadiancyclist.com/races14/LBB-Report-doping-activity-cycling-FINAL.pdf

The summary spends most of the words declaring no doping systems in Canada, yet the actual report states products and knowledge are widely available, especially if a rider leaves North America.

 

[DirtyWorks]

rethorical question, right?

Anyone who was really clean that Giro should have been disgusted to see Ryder win it.
But I haven't heard a single complaint.

And risk losing a future job? No way. Athletes inviting doping controversy do not get jobs.

 

[sniper]

And risk losing a future job? No way. Athletes inviting doping controversy do not get jobs.

izzystraddlin one or two pages upthread makes the same point and it's a fair point i guess.

that said, there cannot be any serious doubt that Rabottini doped to get the climbers yersey in the Giro 2012, can there? At least it's not likely, to say the least, that he was clean. Nor were dozens of others who got their bottoms wiped by former blooddoper Hesjedal.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

izzystraddlin one or two pages upthread makes the same point and it's a fair point i guess.

It was in the JV thread, but thank you for noticing:

The nature of cycling tactics is a huge part of enforcing omerta.

As a clean pro you're not likely a GT or Classics contender. Most of your results are going to come at the mercy of the strong teams, breakaways or tactical situations. If you're outspoken, a team can easily ride against you to prevent you from getting in breaks, or chasing later in the race. GTs often see guys riding the front for no particular (tactical) reason.

Or, as a clean rider you're a nice guy, loyal domestique who supports a GT/Classics contender. Sure you might be clean, but your employment depends on keeping the faster, probably doped rider happy. And your boss on the road doesn't want to deal with team punishing him because a teammate is stirred up sh!t.

And if you're known as a valuable domestique, who knows where you might end up? I mean, look at Pate cashing checks from Sky. Best to not burn bridges before you get to them.

There are plenty of good practical reasons to just shut up and ride.

 

[sniper]

It was in the JV thread, but thank you for noticing:

yeah, that was a good post.
still, it doesn't explain why some purportedly clean riders would proactively start promoting current-day pro-cycling as new mentality/new culture/clean(er), when any fool with half a brain can see that those labels do not apply. There aren't many who do that, but JV is a good point in case (though not a rider). If he's running a clean team, he should either show his preocupation with the state of present-day cycling, or, as you say, let his riders ride and shut up about doping.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

yeah, that was a good post.
still, it doesn't explain why some purportedly clean riders would proactively start promoting current-day pro-cycling as new mentality/new culture/clean(er), when any fool with half a brain can see that those labels do not apply.

Because it's what their managers want?

 

[ray j willings]

Most times I think it's best for riders to say nothing. The history/ culture of our sport means that whatever you say about the yourself or the sport being clean no one will believe you and who could blame them.
It's much better to talk about the racing and the performances and not talk about the PED's . I don't think I have ever heard a Footballer before or after a game talk about PED's. That's the way to go IMO.

 

[BrentonOfTheNorth]

I posted about times on Alpe d'Huez 2003 V 2001. Why the time differences? Why a 3.30 time difference for Lance?

Watch the stage and find out, maybe? Why do you think Mayo won by such a large margin? Armstrong chased down all of his rivals whenever they attacked, so his group mostly just looked at each other instead of racing. Armstrong himself said that he really regretted his tactics that day, suggesting that he could have climbed l'Alpe significantly faster that day (to gain more time on Ullrich instead of focusing on Hamilton etc) if he tried.

 

[jens_attacks]

also amazing heat in 2003. thousands died in france that summer, still remember the news.

 

[sniper]

Because it's what their managers want?

well either that, or because they're not really clean of course.
also, I was talking about manager JV. Why would a manager of a clean team want to spread that message? What advantage would he have by pretending it's all good now, when in reality it's as rotten as ever before?

 

[burning]

rethorical question, right?

Anyone who was really clean that Giro should have been disgusted to see Ryder win it.
But I haven't heard a single complaint.

Any relevant rider is a doper according to you anyway, so why should a clean rider care about Ryder winning Giro?