Ryders crash -motor?

[sniper]

as JV said, the truth will set Ryder free and show he's cleans.

 

[sniper]

why/how the **** does he fall there anyway?

 

[DFA123]

why/how the **** does he fall there anyway?

Must have been some oil on the road - not that any is visible on the video. He's nowhere near anyone and isn't exactly leaning hard into the corner.

 

[benzwire]

The motor obviously malfunctioned, causing the crash. The motorbike driver, also in on the scam, sees this happen and diverts to destroy the evidence. The bike, now damaged, is quickly switched out and hidden away, to later be dropped off in faraway dumpster by the team's masseur. Simple.

 

[DominicDecoco]

The Clinic never disappoints.. Seriously, where do you find these people..?

 

[Benotti69]

The Clinic never disappoints.. Seriously, where do you find these people..?

I think the clinic does a great job reflecting the absurdities of the sport. More often than not the clinic is right.

Those who come into the clinic to slag it off, like to think they are above it, but the very act of posting shows they are no better.........

 

[go crazy]

I'm not going to conclude there was definitely a motor, but something did NOT look right in the way the bike reacted after the crash. Watch his right foot, it's still clipped in and the moment his foot comes out of the pedal, the bike definitely slows down upon the cleat releasing, then seems to accelerate again. I don't understand how the cleat popping out of the pedal and causing the bike to jerk a bit as it slows, then re-accelerating is possible. It's too hard to tell in a 2-D video without a real perception of the grade and road conditions, but the moment Ryder's shoe comes out of the pedal, the bike definitely jerks and slows, then re-accelerates. Granted, once you look at it in the context of a possible motor, it's probably altering how I am seeing things, but it sure does seem like the bike went from slowing, to accelerating all the way until the moto ran it over.

 

[Granville57]

First off, a message to the mods.

DO NOT INTERFERE WITH THIS THREAD!

This is the type of territory where legends are made, and a year's worth of entertainment can be compacted nicely into several dozen pages. So don't do it. Step BACK from that delete button and let this run its course.

Please?

From the comments:
"This is what I see...his bike is completely 100% stopped...no movement....somehow his bike begins moving in a semi-circle and accelerates in that motion until it is run over by the camera bike!!!!!"

The problem with that analysis is that the bike doesn't "completely 100% stop." It remains in motion, to some degree, the entire time. As much as I am enjoying this thread, the bike never really stops.

Now, if those pedals had only kept on turning on their own...


I wonder if this thread will bring JV back out of the woodwork? I did notice he was lurking here last night. Or maybe Gerard Vroomen will chime in!

 

[Granville57]

OK, I now must admit that after several viewings, the bike very nearly does come to a complete stop. Not quite, but very, very close. The seeming acceleration afterwards of the bike by itself is definitely attention-getting. I just wish we could see the spokes on the rear wheel to see if it is actually turning or not.

On second thought though, I'm glad we can't.

This is much more fun.

 

[The Hitch]

The Clinic never disappoints.. Seriously, where do you find these people..?

Dude, like 2 people said they thought it was a motor.

Don't pin that on the clinic.

 

[benzwire]

I don't think there is a motor, but it does look very strange once he clips out. The bike seems to accelerate due to the rear wheel spinning after it appeared to be stopped. It doesn't look natural, but that doesn't mean it didn't naturally happen (ie physics).

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Okay. Physicist here. Second 11 in the video, the bike has come to a near stop. Second 12 and the bike accelerates and rotates around an axis centered on the handlebars (touching the ground). This implies a torque (force parallel to the ground and some distance from the handlebars).

Sources of that force:

- Rotating front wheel? Nope. That wouldn't create any torque.
- Some after-crash clipping out of pedals or kicking, etc? Nope. That would be an impulse that has a sudden rise in velocity and then a quick drop in speed as friction takes over.
- Motor driving the rear wheel? *ding* *ding* *ding* Yep. That fits perfectly. The wheel is driven, causing a torque which matches the motion you see in the video.

I honestly can not believe the audacity if what I just witnessed. The physics of the situation is not ambiguous. Something was driving the rear wheel after the crash and it sure wasn't Ryder. Holy mother f*ck. This sport is dead to me.

John Swanson

 

[benzwire]

The only points of contact once the bike is down is the front wheel (which is vertical), the left shift/brake lever (the pivot point), and the rear wheel (touching on the tire/sidewall). Look at the surrounding ground and shadow. Damn it looks like the wheel actually starts to accelerate and if Ryder and the motorcycle weren't there, the thing would have continued to spin. Also notice that the crankarm is not touching the ground and is not moving. Freaky!

 

[Granville57]

Perhaps Garmin is in cahoots with the Google Self-Driving Car technology?

I think it's very plausible that a self-driving bicycle, using Google technology, would be able to sense the oncoming moto collision and do everything it could to avoid such a disaster. If Ryder hadn't interfered with the Automatic Collision Avoidance maneuver, his bicycle may very well have saved itself from the humiliation of being run over by another, less intelligent, motorized bike.

 

[marinoni]

I'll admit that looks really strange. None of the other explanations I've seen on this thread really make much sense. Sometimes weird, hard to explain stuff happens and I have to go with that. The alternative is too awful to accept. If it is true that this technology is real and being used and it gets exposed? That will be the end of this sport being anything other than a joke on a WWE level.

 

[Granville57]

Also notice that the crankarm is not touching the ground and is not moving.

That is what disappoints me the most! If the cranks were moving...

But they are not. So what mechanism would be propelling the rear wheel without turning the cranks? Every video I've seen of motorized bicycles shows the force being generated to the crank arms, not the rear wheel independently.

But JV is clever mofo, is he not?

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

why/how the **** does he fall there anyway?

His TUE for invisible training wheels expired at that exact moment.

 

[King Boonen]

A bike on a steep incline, cambered inwards has a large frictional force removed from it (Ryder dragging on the road) and it rolls down the camber?

 

[Granville57]

Perhaps Garmin is in cahoots with the Google Self-Driving Car technology?

HOLD ON!!!!

It turns out that this hypothesis has some basis in reality. And I am shocked by that!

[Sebastian Thrun] joined Google in 2007, where he led the program to develop its self-driving car, and then founded Google X, the ultra-secretive research lab behind Google Glass and other research projects so far-out that Google calls them "moon shots."

He tosses a pair of bike cleats and a Lycra cycling kit onto the ground, kicks off his sneakers...

Thrun, who is 46 years old and originally from Germany, is a committed athlete...and is an avid road cyclist.

Thrun clipped into his custom-made road bike and scooted up Arastradero Road, leaving me panting a few lengths behind. "Sebastian is like the smartest guy you've ever met, but on speed," says the entrepreneur Steve Blank, a friend of Thrun's and a Udacity investor. "And he hates to lose."

I'd say JV and Ryder have some explaining to do.

 

[veganrob]

That bike looks like it has a mind of its own and Ryder is afraid to stop it. Good thing the moto ran it over.

 

[Race Radio]

One of Sarto's bikes?

http://bicitruccata.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1&Itemid=2

 

[Samson777]

Until now, I could not get my head around how Ryder could win the giro without doping.

Now I get it. He didn't need to dope his body, because he got a motor on his bike.. Honestly that's probably one of the only ways, I would ever believe he won that giro clean..

 

[sniper]

That bike looks like it has a mind of its own and Ryder is afraid to stop it. Good thing the moto ran it over.

you do wonder why he falls in the first place.
it's as if he lets himself fall, but why would he do that?
perhaps senses his bike is about to go berserk?

 

[Granville57]

you do wonder why he falls in the first place.

It seems obvious that SRAM, Campy and Shimano need to up their game and introduce electronic steering. If a rider can not be trusted to shift his own gears, how he can be expected to steer his own bike?

Isn't this sport difficult enough?

 

[wirral]

Is it not the changes in video speed added by the editing team. i.e. the clip slows down then speeds up again causing an illusion of the bike (back wheel) accelerating.