Santambrogio tests positive for EPO

[Le breton]

Linked before but very informative:
http://www.alternativeditions.com/2013/06/02/les-calculs-de-puissance-du-tour-d-italie-2013/

Any thought about Vayer's tweets of May25/26 apparently pointing at Nibali.

 

[webvan]

I don't really see any more suspect names. Well suspect-level of di luca or santambrogio of course.

Nibali is my biggest guess but i doubt he would get caught, he ain't that stupid and he gets protection

I don't buy the whole "protection" thing, heck it's not even proven that Armstrong got protection (I think he was trying to impress Hamilton and Landis) and Di Lucca didn't get protection in 2009 when he all he needed to get it (Giro performance, money, etc...).

Anyway, yes, based on the Giro, Nibali's performances do look "not normal" compared to the competition and to what he'd done in the past, even as recently as in the 2012 TDF...now again, it may be his "wonder" year where all the stars align. I'd feel better about it if he was riding for Garmin or Sky though. Riding for Vino, you know he's riding for someone who has no moral compass and for whom the end justifies the needs so that can't help.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I'd feel better about it if he was riding for Garmin or Sky though. Riding for Vino, you know he's riding for someone who has no moral compass and for whom the end justifies the needs so that can't help.

As opposed to a team of ex-dopers (Garmin) and a team of recently ex-doper team management and doctor (Sky).

Right.

 

[Miburo]

As opposed to a team of ex-dopers (Garmin) and a team of recently ex-doper team management and doctor (Sky).

Right.

My point is that i don't see any names in the giro who are stupid enough that they will get caught.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Any thought about Vayer's tweets of May25/26 apparently pointing at Nibali.

Worrysome. To say the least...

''Nibali is in this Tour of Italy averaged 415 watts standard over the last passes. This is a level of performance equivalent to that achieved in the Tour de France in 2012 with Wiggins and Froome. The Tour of Spain in 2012, Rodriguez, Contador and Valverde were at 420 watts.''

I dont know if they have taken into account the shortened stages due to the weather conditions or the weather conditions at its self but if Nibali gets popped pro-cycling has an even bigger problem than we the clinic loonies think.

 

[Ferminal]

Anyway, yes, based on the Giro, Nibali's performances do look "not normal" compared to the competition and to what he'd done in the past, even as recently as in the 2012 TDF.

Woah, he only outclimbed Rigoberto Uran a low form Evans and a post-Ferrari Scarponi! None of them are top5 GT riders in those states.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Woah, he only outclimbed Rigoberto Uran a low form Evans and a post-Ferrari Scarponi! None of them are top5 GT riders in those states.

Funny, this sounds like how people defend Wiggins' win at the TdF '12.....

 

[maltiv]

Anyway, yes, based on the Giro, Nibali's performances do look "not normal" compared to the competition and to what he'd done in the past, even as recently as in the 2012 TDF...now again, it may be his "wonder" year where all the stars align. I'd feel better about it if he was riding for Garmin or Sky though. Riding for Vino, you know he's riding for someone who has no moral compass and for whom the end justifies the needs so that can't help.

Nibali's GT placements: 19th, 11th, 20th, 7th, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 7th, 3rd, 1st.

It doesn't get much more believable than that in terms of progression really. And seriously, if anyone had told you before the Giro that Nibali would finish 4 minutes ahead of Uran, would you be surprised? Or if they told you he'd put 5 minutes on Evans?

It's the distance to the nr 2 that's surprising, but given the competition, it's not surprising at all. Nibali would've won this Giro easily with his 2010, 2011 or 2012 form. He was competing against riders who either are on the decline and haven't performed at all this year (Evans) and a rider who before the Giro never had been better than 7th in a GT (Uran). Moreover, he beat an aging Scarponi who hasn't been good since 2011, and the 23 year old Betancur...

 

[jens_attacks]

idiotic approach by santa. at least he could have fired up the 3rd week. if you're doing it at least do it like santi perez
apparently at the ACCPI he was on the first places in the room to smash danilo lol, to sue him for what he did

gazzetta now reporting that lot of tests are rechecked.
one russian rider positive

belkov?

how could you not like pro cycling? _O_

 

[ElChingon]

Dude, i like you but please don't steal my thunder
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=1250211#post1250211

I only stole your number http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1240749&postcount=883

We should have the time on the video as the number though. Poster of the vid made it private, looks like AB didn't like it

 

[JimmyFingers]

We published a link to the Santambrogio news article on our Facebook page and the comments came fast and furious. Surprisingly one of them was made by Huon Salmon-Genesys Wealth Advisers boss, Andrew Christie-Johnson.

It's rare that a team boss sticks his head above the parapet of the peloton, but as Aquarone said, there is less acceptance of the status quo these days.

"We raced this team in Kumano (Japan) just days ago. They managed to talk themselves out of a random test on the last stage. Said they would miss their flights home," Christie-Johnson wrote.

"Eight hours later we had tea with them prior to their departure from Japan. Didn't seem in any rush then.

"Seemed very wrong that the Japan drug testers just took their (Vini Fantini-Selle Italia) rider off the random list for the stage and swapped it to another rider from another team, especially in light of what's just happened."

Christie-Johnson later added: "This team should have their license withdrawn."

Source:

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/philip-gomes/blog/127897/one-step-forward

 

[Ferminal]

Funny, this sounds like how people defend Wiggins' win at the TdF '12.....

Only they use it to pretend Wiggins doesn't dope, let me know where I have supported the view that Nibali is or has ever been clean.

The idea that Nibali decided to dope for the first time six months ago is absurd. He has either always doped or never has.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Wasn't putting words into your mouth, just drawing interesting parallels.

I've said this again and again, using palmares and 'progression' as an indicator of doping/cleanliness is a massive red herring, since we can't possibly know when they started doping, if they started doping, which years and which races they doped heavily for or the programme they may be on.

 

[Ryongsyong]

Well this proves that not only EPO works and that no matter how many tests are devised against it or to identify it, its benefits outweigh the risks of getting caught.

Or, (IMO), its benefits outweigh the punishment when caught, which is a bit different.

If testers feel they can't increase the chance of catching someone, then the only way to turn the screw further on dopers is to increase the length of the suspension instead.

 

[Lanark]

idiotic approach by santa. at least he could have fired up the 3rd week. if you're doing it at least do it like santi perez
apparently at the ACCPI he was on the first places in the room to smash danilo lol, to sue him for what he did

gazzetta now reporting that lot of tests are rechecked.
one russian rider positive

belkov?

In that case, smart move by Betancur to cheer when he crossed the finish line.

 

[Ferminal]

Petrov is probably the least surprising of the Russians, given his renaissance. Ok that would be pretty hilarious leading into July, maybe will not happen then.

Would also be funny if a Vlad is still doping now given how bad they are compared to peak years.

I will go with Brute. Though it's probably just hot air, I heard they were retesting the 2008 samples again too.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Petrov is probably the least surprising of the Russians, given his renaissance. Ok that would be pretty hilarious leading into July, maybe will not happen then.

Would also be funny if a Vlad is still doping now given how bad they are compared to peak years.

I will go with Brute. Though it's probably just hot air, I heard they were retesting the 2008 samples again too.

You were not surprised with Trofimov?

 

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

http://ilnostrograndeciclismo.wordp...ni-fantini-e-voci-sulla-positivita-di-nibali/

Sorry if this has already been posted.
But a certain ex-pro has brought this to my attention.

 

[Eshnar]

http://ilnostrograndeciclismo.wordp...ni-fantini-e-voci-sulla-positivita-di-nibali/

Sorry if this has already been posted.
But a certain ex-pro has brought this to my attention.

yes, already posted and discussed in the Nibali thread

 

[Ferminal]

You were not surprised with Trofimov?

Not particularly. He almost scored an anonymous placing in the 2011 Tour if not for one day. Single climb mountain stages helped his cause.

 

[webvan]

http://ilnostrograndeciclismo.wordp...ni-fantini-e-voci-sulla-positivita-di-nibali/

Sorry if this has already been posted.
But a certain ex-pro has brought this to my attention.

so it says according to Google : "Santambrogio won the stage ahead of Bardonecchia Vincenzo Nibali who then won the Giro, but at this time there are also rumors about the possible positivity of the winner of the Giro this year to 'Epo in one of the stages of the first half of the Tour 2013 , still made all doping controls at the Tour 2013 are not yet disclosed, and a surprise is around the 'corner."

i.e. - Nibali about to get popped, nice...

 

[JimmyFingers]

Surprised that no-one's commented on that fact that Vini-Fantini were able to talk their way out of getting a random test at the end of the Tour of Japan earlier in the year

 

[Kender]

so it says according to Google : "Santambrogio won the stage ahead of Bardonecchia Vincenzo Nibali who then won the Giro, but at this time there are also rumors about the possible positivity of the winner of the Giro this year to 'Epo in one of the stages of the first half of the Tour 2013 , still made all doping controls at the Tour 2013 are not yet disclosed, and a surprise is around the 'corner."

i.e. - Nibali about to get popped, nice...

Sky for 3 GT's? Can this forum cope?

 

[Yingge]

I was wondering why Mauro had improved so much since departing BMC.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I was wondering why Mauro had improved so much since departing BMC.

yea, puffy cheeks started doping the minute he signed with Vini Fantini. Squeaky clean until then, especially during any of BMC's tour campaigns.