Sat 5th of March: Montepaschi Strade Bianche (was Monte Paschi Eroica) 1.1

[c&cfan]

Stand back everyone, the hate is strong with this one.

hate? i like him! i hate andy!

still, you cant put in the the same classic champions level as cancellara bonne or valverde. maybe one day! and you cant even call him "a rider with class" when riders like the others mentioned are not only better at classics, but much more better in general.

is this hate? and i tought that i liked to watch him race. lol

 

[Anonymous]

i have nothing against gilbert. he is very exciting to watch and he has an amazing aceleration.

but to be the best or to dominate, you have to win. he didnt won any big classic so far besides lombardia against a sh*tty field both in riders' name and shape. still, i give credits to him to be in discussion in all momunents. but that doesnt matter. to a champion, you win or lose. he loses (besides lombardia).

what i dont like, is this hype.

and

"he is much younger than the others"-look at cancelara's age for example.
"he is so dominating"- i have this stupid theory: to dominate, you have to win. lol

etc etc..

amd parrulo, the reason that made me say that about TTs stage races etc is:

-not only bonnen cancellara and valverde etc are better at classics, they are much more better as cyclist if you look to the other side of their palmares. does gilbert even as another side? no.

even if he wins LBL ronde and PR next year, he will have to do it again to compete against other palmares (just counting classics).

there is an huge difference in class when you think about gilbert and valverde for example. maybe this just shows how we need new classics riders. there was an huge gap between bartoli mussew rebellin di luca bettini van petegem etc. now we only have gilbert just looking for classics.. and he isnt at the same level as others -not just classics- riders.

maybe now with EBH sagan mathews etc etc..

So you dislike Gilbert because of the things OTHER PEOPLE say about him...well, that makes sense...

And you are right, there is a major difference in class between Valvpiti and Gilbert. One of those people is a whiny busted doper who isn't man enough to admit to his actions, and the other guy didn't do any of those things.

 

[Anonymous]

hate? i like him! i hate andy!

still, you cant put in the the same classic champions level as cancellara bonne or valverde. maybe one day! and you cant even call him "a rider with class" when riders like the others mentioned are not only better at classics, but much more better in general.

is this hate? and i tought that i liked to watch him race. lol

Uh, you disparage a guy because of the things others say about him. You minimize his accomplishments, which are stellar in anyone's book, and simply will not back off comparing him to people who at the same age had achieved less. What was I thinking? You love the guy...

 

[c&cfan]

Uh, you disparage a guy because of the things others say about him. You minimize his accomplishments, which are stellar in anyone's book, and simply will not back off comparing him to people who at the same age had achieved less. What was I thinking? You love the guy...

at the same age achieved less?????????

who??
cancelara?
bonen?
valverde?
are you trying to troll someone??

based on you last posts, you dont know how to read properly. so maybe this is a waste of my time. however, it is saturday, afternoon.

-i like gilbert.
-i dont like people who says things about him like if he was a champion or something.
-there are riders better at classics and much better overall.

(this isnt the place to talk about the d-word. but since you dont know how to read i am warning you. i wouldnt be surprised if someone came here to talk to you about that post. still, based on what you said, i feel sorry for you, but especially for those that live with you.)

 

[Anonymous]

at the same age achieved less?????????

who??
cancelara?
bonen?
valverde?
are you trying to troll someone??

based on you last posts, you dont know how to read properly. so maybe this is a waste of my time. however, it is saturday, afternoon.

-i like gilbert.
-i dont like people who says things about him like if he was a champion or something.
-there are riders better at classics and much better overall.

(this isnt the place to talk about the d-word. but since you dont know how to read i am warning you. i wouldnt be surprised if someone came here to talk to you about that post. still, based on what you said, i feel sorry for you, but especially for those that live with you.)

And the answer is Vino. Vino.

 

[boomcie]

Props to Van Avermaet for finishing in ninth after being in the breakaway.

 

[c&cfan]

And the answer is Vino. Vino.

vino only started to race at 25\26. gilbert started much earlier. you will have to use your brain to think a little about this subject now. have a nice day

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

And you still haven't answered to the post with Bettini.

Bettini won less than Gilbert at the same age... look at how Bettini ended

 

[boomcie]

Not sure if anyone has already posted this, but here is an incoherent video from La Gazzetta. You can also see the finish in the end.

 

[c&cfan]

And you still haven't answered to the post with Bettini.

Bettini won less than Gilbert at the same age... look at how Bettini ended

i apologise for that.

the reason is very simple. you do know the problems between bettini and bartoli right? bettini only started to win because bartoli had a fall. other than that and maybe we wouldnt even know the guy's name.

not only that, bettini had to compete against other hilly classics specialists, real champions in those races. nowadays, they are almost extint.

rebelin was still kicking *** at 38.. this says a lot. like, for example, no competition.

no, i dont think that i am an iluminatti and i dont hate gilbert. this is just the truth, based on facts. there is no personal opinion in it.

p.s. maybe i am wrong, but didnt bettini won a LBL at 28? but this doesnt matter.

 

[El Pistolero]

Belgian news is weird.

They show who won the stage in the Driedaagse van West Vlaanderen, but say nothing about Murcia or Strade Bianche.

 

[Ryaguas]

Stand back everyone, the hate is strong with this one.

hahahahahaha... good one!
Hey werent you banned?

snip... hate hate... snip

Dude stop insulting Il Giro di Lombardia saying that Gilbert won it cuz the weak field... Samu and Scarponi are not an easy cake... stop it plz... just stop...

 

[El Pistolero]

i apologise for that.

the reason is very simple. you do know the problems between bettini and bartoli right? bettini only started to win because bartoli had a fall. other than that and maybe we wouldnt even know the guy's name.

not only that, bettini had to compete against other hilly classics specialists, real champions in those races. nowadays, they are almost extint.

rebelin was still kicking *** at 38.. this says a lot. like, for example, no competition.

no, i dont think that i am an iluminatti and i dont hate gilbert. this is just the truth, based on facts. there is no personal opinion in it.

Paolo Bettini won LBL in 2000 and 2002. Bartoli won Lombardia in 2002 and 2003.

LBL is not short of competition... Alberto Contador, Andy Schleck, Valverde(will only miss 2011, he was there in 2010), Gilbert, Vinokourov, etc

Classics specialists tend to get better when they get older. At least some of them, so it isn't that surprising to see an old dude winning a monument. They have a lot of experience and can time their attacks better usually.

Gilbert raced with a very small team and this is just his third season with a big team.

Even Bettini has already said Gilbert is his real successor. As did Michele Bartoli. Gilbert him self wants to be compared to Bartoli instead of Bettini(his own words)

Even Il Falco also called Gilbert the new Bettini.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yeah, saying Gilbert won Lombardia because of a weak field is ridicolous. A lot of inform riders made it their goal at the end of the season. Not only Sanchez and Scarponi

 

[c&cfan]

Yeah, saying Gilbert won Lombardia because of a weak field is ridicolous. A lot of inform riders made it their goal at the end of the season. Not only Sanchez and Scarponi

who was there fresh as gilbert and with pedigree in those races? nibali? two hard GTs.. scarponi? giro fTW and sanchez after a tour FTW.
they werent in good shape.. unlike gilbert that only hits the gas in some classics and in 2 GT stages.

gilbert is very very good. but not great, especially as a cyclist in general.

oh.. and it does look like that at 28 years, bettini had won 2 LBL.

lombardia's field is very strong and amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!












if you dont compare it to LBL for example. lol

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Well Gesink for instance, who just won Emilia the week before in 2009... top shape, couldn't go with him.

 

[El Pistolero]

Il Giro was 5 months before Lombardia. If you can't find a new peak during that time then you shouldn't have become a cyclist.

Fact is Lombardia is right after the worlds, and a lot of people peak for the worlds. If you peak for the worlds, you're still in peak form at Lombardia. Or else you suck *** and Gilbert doesn't.

All of those great stars you named like Boonen and Cancellara can't win a cobbled classic and hilly classic. There's only one man and one man only that can make that bridge. It's Philippe Gilbert. And that's why he's the best classics specialist in cycling today(my opinion).

 

[boomcie]

who was there fresh as gilbert and with pedigree in those races? nibali? two hard GTs.. scarponi? giro fTW and sanchez after a tour FTW.

I believe Sanchez could have already been recuperated by mid-October... And Scarponi raced the Giro almost 5 months prior to Lombardia...
What are you doing over there, smoking crack?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Top 20, 2009

1. [BEL] GILBERT Philippe SIL 5h43'45" 275
2. [ESP] SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel EUS 180
3. [RUS] KOLOBNEV Alexandr SAX 07" 145
4. [ITA] PAOLINI Luca ASA 08" 132
5. [NED] HOOGERLAND Johnny VAC 08" 120
6. [NED] GESINK Robert RAB 08" 108
7. [KAZ] VINOKOUROV Alexandre AST 08" 96
8. [IRL] MARTIN Daniel GRM 08" 85
9. [ESP] COBO ACEBO Juan Jose FUJ 08" 74
10. [AUS] EVANS Cadel SIL 08" 63
11. [ITA] BERTAGNOLLI Leonardo SDA 08" 55
12. [USA] HORNER Chris AST 08" 49
13. [ITA] BASSO Ivan LIQ 08" 44
14. [ITA] CUNEGO Damiano LAM 08" 39
15. [ITA] MASCIARELLI Francesco ASA 10" 34
16. [DEN] FUGLSANG Jakob SAX 15" 31
17. [ITA] SANTAMBROGIO Mauro LAM 44" 28
18. [BEL] DEVENYNS Dries QST 46" 25
19. [SUI] ZAUGG Oliver LIQ 46" 22
20. [SLO] VALJAVEC Tadej ALM 46"

2010

1. [BEL] GILBERT Philippe OLO 6h46'32" 275
2. [ITA] SCARPONI Michele AND 12" 180
3. [ESP] LASTRAS GARCIA Pablo GCE 55" 145
4. [DEN] FUGLSANG Jakob SAX 01'08" 132
5. [ITA] NIBALI Vincenzo LIQ 01'08" 120
6. [ESP] SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel EUS 01'12" 108
7. [ESP] NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel EUS 02'07" 96
8. [ITA] SANTAMBROGIO Mauro BMC 03'01" 85
9. [ESP] BARREDO LLAMAZALES Carlos QST 03'25" 74
10. [ITA] CARUSO Giampaolo KAT 03'50" 63
11. [RUS] GUSEV Vladimir KAT 04'24" 55
12. [COL] URAN URAN Rigoberto GCE 05'13" 49
13. [NED] MOLLEMA Bauke RAB 05'13" 44
14. [BEL] DEVENYNS Dries QST 05'32" 39
15. [GER] WEGMANN Fabian MRM 05'52" 34
16. [BEL] VAN AVERMAET Greg OLO 06'00" 31
17. [CRO] MIHOLJEVIC Vladimir ASA 06'10" 28
18. [ITA] MAZZANTI Luca KAT 06'10" 25
19. [POL] PATERSKI Maciej LIQ 06'10" 22
20. [BEL] MONFORT Maxime THR 06'10" 20

How do these classify as "weak" and "out of form" fields?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The Giro was five months before then!

Philippe Gilbert: races in 2010
Tour of Qatar: 6 days (6)
Tour of Oman: 6 days (12)
Omloop het Nieuwsblad (13)
Paris-Nice: 8 days (DNF final stage)(21)
Milan-San Remo (22)
Gent-Wevelgem (23)
Driedaagse de Panne: 3 days (DNS final half-stage)(26)
Ronde van Vlaanderen (27)
Brabantse Pijl (28)
Amstel Gold Race (29)
La Flèche Wallonne (30)
Liège-Bastogne-Liège (31)
Tour de Romandie: 6 days (DNF final stage)(37)
Tour de Belgique: 5 days (42)
Tour de Suisse: 9 days (DNF stage 7)(49)
Halle-Ingooigem (50)
National Championships RR (51)
Clasica San Sebastian (52)
Vattenfall Cyclassics (53)
GP Ouest France-Plouay (54)
Vuelta a España: 21 days (75)
World Championships RR (76)
Paris-Tours (77)
Gran Piemonte (78)
GIRO DI LOMBARDIA (79)
Chrono des Nations (80)

Michele Scarponi: races in 2010
Giro di Sardegna: 4 days (4)
Clasica Sarda (5)
Tirreno-Adriatico: 7 days (12)
Milano-Sanremo (13)
Settimana Lombarda: 5 days (18)
Giro del Trentino: 4 days (22)
Giro d'Italia: 21 days (43)
Brixia Tour: 4 days (DNF stage 2)(45)
Circuit de Getxo (46)
Vuelta a Burgos: 5 days (51)
Tre Valli Varesine (52)
Coppa Agostini (53)
Trofeo Melinda (54)
GP di Prato (55)
Giro di Toscana (56)
Giro dell'Emilia (57)
GIRO DI LOMBARDIA (58)

So Gilbert had an extra Grand Tour's worth of racing in his legs by the time they got to Lombardy.

 

[Andy99]

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[El Pistolero]

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Jersey looks better than I thought.

Also a lot of people there it seems.

This really needs to be turned in a classic on the same level as FW and AGR. And I'm not just saying this because Gilbert won

Look at the previous winners: Kolobnev, Cancellara, Gilbert, Iglinsky

Perhaps adding this race and the Omloop to the World Tour would do a lot of good things for both races. Perhaps in 60 years this could rival some other important Italian races.

 

[Echoes]

OMG!:

28. Mark Cavendish
...
30. Cadel Evans
31 Andy Schleck

Oh well, that's not like 2 years ago then, but still...

This race is like Paris-Roubaix. He who finishes it, is a winner !

 

[Andy99]

Jersey looks better than I thought.

Also a lot of people there it seems.

This really needs to be turned in a classic on the same level as FW and AGR. And I'm not just saying this because Gilbert won

Look at the previous winners: Kolobnev, Cancellara, Gilbert, Iglinsky

Perhaps adding this race and the Omloop to the World Tour would do a lot of good things for both races. Perhaps in 60 years this could rival some other important Italian races.

Best solution would be to scrap the world tour all together!

 

[c&cfan]

Well Gesink for instance, who just won Emilia the week before in 2009... top shape, couldn't go with him.

gesink...lol