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Scheldeprijs (1.HC), April 5th, 2017, 202 km

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Jspear said:
jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's the thing. If Kittel was around 2008-2012, he would be yet another rider forced to train towards races such as GW or MSR, as he wouldn't have much success as a pure sprinter while Cav in his prime was around. However, now there's no point, as success in harder races isn't guaranteed and would come at the cost of top end speed, which really isn't worth it for him
Peak Kittel would do just fine against Cav of any era in a typical bunch sprint.

I used to think that, but not anymore. After watching Cav in last years Tour, I think he was a good bit better than Kittel when in his prime.
Greipel had the measure of Cav in 2011 in terms of speed, probably already before, when they were riding for the same team and Kittel was faster than Greipel by 2012.
 
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loge1884 said:
sorry for the mistake ... not sure how a "me" got there instead of a "him" .... I haven't ever even been mistaken for a Colombian, and Fernando could (agewise) be my son (if I would have started with the kids-getting business early) ....

Don't be sorry, it was quite nice for a moment to pretend that we had a star cyclist among the forum
 
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jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's the thing. If Kittel was around 2008-2012, he would be yet another rider forced to train towards races such as GW or MSR, as he wouldn't have much success as a pure sprinter while Cav in his prime was around. However, now there's no point, as success in harder races isn't guaranteed and would come at the cost of top end speed, which really isn't worth it for him
Peak Kittel would do just fine against Cav of any era in a typical bunch sprint.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The reason why Cav was so incredible was because of his second kick in a sprint. That second kick hasn't been there since 2012, yet he's still been competing with Kittel, and in fact last year he was better, despite being half the rider that he used to be
 
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jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's the thing. If Kittel was around 2008-2012, he would be yet another rider forced to train towards races such as GW or MSR, as he wouldn't have much success as a pure sprinter while Cav in his prime was around. However, now there's no point, as success in harder races isn't guaranteed and would come at the cost of top end speed, which really isn't worth it for him
Peak Kittel would do just fine against Cav of any era in a typical bunch sprint.
In my day a peak-ability Kittel would've been leading Cav out. That's the way it was and we liked it!

oldMan.jpg
 
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Jspear said:
jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's the thing. If Kittel was around 2008-2012, he would be yet another rider forced to train towards races such as GW or MSR, as he wouldn't have much success as a pure sprinter while Cav in his prime was around. However, now there's no point, as success in harder races isn't guaranteed and would come at the cost of top end speed, which really isn't worth it for him
Peak Kittel would do just fine against Cav of any era in a typical bunch sprint.

I used to think that, but not anymore. After watching Cav in last years Tour, I think he was a good bit better than Kittel when in his prime.
With the Hincapie-Rogers-Hansen-Martin-Eisel-EBH-Renshaw train Cav had at his peak, even Leif Hoste or Frank Schleck would have done ok in bunch sprints.
 
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PremierAndrew said:
jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's the thing. If Kittel was around 2008-2012, he would be yet another rider forced to train towards races such as GW or MSR, as he wouldn't have much success as a pure sprinter while Cav in his prime was around. However, now there's no point, as success in harder races isn't guaranteed and would come at the cost of top end speed, which really isn't worth it for him
Peak Kittel would do just fine against Cav of any era in a typical bunch sprint.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The reason why Cav was so incredible was because of his second kick in a sprint. That second kick hasn't been there since 2012, yet he's still been competing with Kittel, and in fact last year he was better, despite being half the rider that he used to be
You can add as many emojis as you like but I still disagree and Cav's record against Kittel remains atrocious.
 
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myrideissteelerthanyours said:
jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's the thing. If Kittel was around 2008-2012, he would be yet another rider forced to train towards races such as GW or MSR, as he wouldn't have much success as a pure sprinter while Cav in his prime was around. However, now there's no point, as success in harder races isn't guaranteed and would come at the cost of top end speed, which really isn't worth it for him
Peak Kittel would do just fine against Cav of any era in a typical bunch sprint.
In my day a peak-ability Kittel would've been leading Cav out. That's the way it was and we liked it!

oldMan.jpg

Nice!
 
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jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's the thing. If Kittel was around 2008-2012, he would be yet another rider forced to train towards races such as GW or MSR, as he wouldn't have much success as a pure sprinter while Cav in his prime was around. However, now there's no point, as success in harder races isn't guaranteed and would come at the cost of top end speed, which really isn't worth it for him
Peak Kittel would do just fine against Cav of any era in a typical bunch sprint.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The reason why Cav was so incredible was because of his second kick in a sprint. That second kick hasn't been there since 2012, yet he's still been competing with Kittel, and in fact last year he was better, despite being half the rider that he used to be
You can add as many emojis as you like but I still disagree and Cav's record against Kittel remains atrocious.

Because Kittel is in his absolute prime and Cav is getting older.
 
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42x16ss said:
Jspear said:
jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's the thing. If Kittel was around 2008-2012, he would be yet another rider forced to train towards races such as GW or MSR, as he wouldn't have much success as a pure sprinter while Cav in his prime was around. However, now there's no point, as success in harder races isn't guaranteed and would come at the cost of top end speed, which really isn't worth it for him
Peak Kittel would do just fine against Cav of any era in a typical bunch sprint.

I used to think that, but not anymore. After watching Cav in last years Tour, I think he was a good bit better than Kittel when in his prime.
With the Hincapie-Rogers-Hansen-Martin-Eisel-EBH-Renshaw train Cav had at his peak, even Leif Hoste or Frank Schleck would have done ok in bunch sprints.

The train definitely helped, there's no denying it - look at how many sprints he won in 2008-11. But...in 2012 he still showed amazing speed even with limited help. His speed for example, on stage 18, was just incredible.
 
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Jspear said:
jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
jaylew said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's the thing. If Kittel was around 2008-2012, he would be yet another rider forced to train towards races such as GW or MSR, as he wouldn't have much success as a pure sprinter while Cav in his prime was around. However, now there's no point, as success in harder races isn't guaranteed and would come at the cost of top end speed, which really isn't worth it for him
Peak Kittel would do just fine against Cav of any era in a typical bunch sprint.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The reason why Cav was so incredible was because of his second kick in a sprint. That second kick hasn't been there since 2012, yet he's still been competing with Kittel, and in fact last year he was better, despite being half the rider that he used to be
You can add as many emojis as you like but I still disagree and Cav's record against Kittel remains atrocious.

Because Kittel is in his absolute prime and Cav is getting older.

It is not a trend that started recently, Cav was bad against Kittel for years. Or are you telling me that Cavendish is "old" for 5 years now? He was 26 in 2012. Not quite what I would call an aging rider ...