Schlecks Depreciation Thread

[Havetts]

And the 'Cancellara cancels the stage' - stage...?

People were free to ride as they wanted but no one did, only Chavanel did. I mean Gesink, Menchov and Freire are at the front of the peloton and sign that people should ride. But in the end they don't, the people who didn't fall and could profit didn't.

A gesture of goodwill or a unhandy decision by the peloton's GC riders? Your call.

 

[El Pistolero]

Look at the CN Poll if I remember correctly the most important event was voted to be "Chaingate" and not F Schleck falling and causing the split. Who do you hear talking about Arenberg besides the die-hard cycling fans? But the non-diehards will remember chaingate and not Arenberg.

It was bound to happen, splits in the peloton on cobbles. It happens in P-R it happens in le tour. Does anyone stop after a fall/puncture in P-R? Nope, its business as usual. Attacking after you see someones chain drop is not. Don't give me the Cancelara pulled alot after, he was already on front of the peloton when Fränky fell, iirc.

The majority is rarely right.

 

[Angliru]

Look at the CN Poll if I remember correctly the most important event was voted to be "Chaingate" and not F Schleck falling and causing the split. Who do you hear talking about Arenberg besides the die-hard cycling fans? But the non-diehards will remember chaingate and not Arenberg.

It was bound to happen, splits in the peloton on cobbles. It happens in P-R it happens in le tour. Does anyone stop after a fall/puncture in P-R? Nope, its business as usual. Attacking after you see someones chain drop is not. Don't give me the Cancelara pulled alot after, he was already on front of the peloton when Fränky fell, iirc.

Seems you conveniently forget, or simply choose to not include the fact that Andy initiated all this action by attacking. Whose fault is it that his attack failed? All the reactions to his attack by his opponents are to be expected. I've said this before and I'll say it again, THE TOUR IS NOT A CLUB NO DROP RIDE where if you have a mechanical in the middle of trying to drop your opponents that you simply yell "MECHANICAL" and the group slows their roll to a stop. Additionally on a high mountain pass, and passing an opponent on the cliff side of the rode at attack speed, I truly doubt someone is looking at or concerned about the state of their opponent's bike.

 

[Havetts]

Seems you conveniently forget, or simply choose to no include the fact that Andy initiated all this action by attacking. Whose fault is it that his attack failed? All the reactions to his attack by his opponents are to be expected. *snip*

Additionally on a high mountain pass, and passing an opponent on the cliff side of the rode at attack speed, I truly doubt someone is looking at or concerned about the state of their opponent's bike.

It isnt that his attack failed, the only person with a decent response was Vino. It was that he f*cked up with his chain, not an attacking failure. It took Contador five to six seconds to even pass him, how can you not notice a chain jumping off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KbR5fyhRsU

0:08 chain drops - 0:14 Alberto passes Andy and accelerates - how can you NOT notice it when you ride right past him.

 

[Froome19]

Seems you conveniently forget, or simply choose to no include the fact that Andy initiated all this action by attacking. Whose fault is it that his attack failed? All the reactions to his attack by his opponents are to be expected. I've said this before and I'll say it again, THE TOUR IS NOT A CLUB NO DROP RIDE where if you have a mechanical in the middle of trying to drop your opponents that you simply yell "MECHANICAL" and the group slows their roll to a stop. Additionally on a high mountain pass, and passing an opponent on the cliff side of the rode at attack speed, I truly doubt someone is looking at or concerned about the state of their opponent's bike.

Granted that they may not have seen, but whats the whole point of a counter attack if not to counter the person who you're attacking, if you then see you have caught up with him do you continue attacking? Maybe but not usually.

 

[Carols]

Discussing 'chaingate' is tiresome now, after all Andy has been 'handed' the victory.....I said it then and I'll say it again. I've seen Many REAL mechanicals by yellow/pink jerseys when the opponents attacked in the last 45+ years. It's a Bike Race not a tea party. If you can't shift and drop your chain stop whining about it when your opponents take advantage of your inepitude on the bike!

 

[DominicDecoco]

Not being able to change gears will at some time kick you in the ****. That happend in that stage. Unfortunately for Andy.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Look at the CN Poll if I remember correctly the most important event was voted to be "Chaingate" and not F Schleck falling and causing the split. Who do you hear talking about Arenberg besides the die-hard cycling fans? But the non-diehards will remember chaingate and not Arenberg.

It was bound to happen, splits in the peloton on cobbles. It happens in P-R it happens in le tour. Does anyone stop after a fall/puncture in P-R? Nope, its business as usual. Attacking after you see someones chain drop is not. Don't give me the Cancelara pulled alot after, he was already on front of the peloton when Fränky fell, iirc.

Actually, both of these things are business as usual and should be encouraged, IMO. The whole controversy was only there because - outside of this forum and in Spain - Andy Schleck is popular and well-liked among casual cycling fans. In Europe, at least. Especially in France, where Contador was never very popular.


Cancellara was at the front pulling hard, but only started pulling like a madman after Frank's crash. Not before. All the main GC contenders were still in the large front group when Frank Schleck crashed.

 

[The Hitch]

Look at the CN Poll if I remember correctly the most important event was voted to be "Chaingate" and not F Schleck falling and causing the split.

Weakest argument to ever come out of you. The F Schleck falling incident was not even in the poll, which in any case only exists to honour Cns contract with the Tour of California and make it seem like a top race.

It was bound to happen, splits in the peloton on cobbles. It happens in P-R it happens in le tour. Does anyone stop after a fall/puncture in P-R? Nope, its business as usual. Attacking after you see someones chain drop is not. Don't give me the Cancelara pulled alot after, he was already on front of the peloton when Fränky fell, iirc.

Its ok because of cobbles but not ok on mountains?

How do you justify that?

If its ok for someone to ride on on cobbles its ok for them to ride on in the mountains.

Thats a fair and balanced view right there. It either works for both or neither.

Do unto others as they do unto you. Contador 3:16

 

[The Plediadian]

Seems you conveniently forget, or simply choose to not include the fact that Andy initiated all this action by attacking. Whose fault is it that his attack failed? All the reactions to his attack by his opponents are to be expected. I've said this before and I'll say it again, THE TOUR IS NOT A CLUB NO DROP RIDE where if you have a mechanical in the middle of trying to drop your opponents that you simply yell "MECHANICAL" and the group slows their roll to a stop. Additionally on a high mountain pass, and passing an opponent on the cliff side of the rode at attack speed, I truly doubt someone is looking at or concerned about the state of their opponent's bike.

Contador once again showed his lack of class in the incident known as chaingate.
I respect Contador as the greatest GT rider since Indurain, but Contador does not have the personality,panache, or grace, of the great ones, like Armstrong, Cancellera and the Schlecks.
He will never ever be a patron, like Cancellera, Armstrong, or Dave Z.

 

[The Hitch]

The majority is rarely right.

Glad to see some good arguments come out of you now and again. +1000000.

 

[The Hitch]

Its funny how everysingle way in which riders lose time are PERFECTLY OK apart from the ones where Andy loses time.

Mechanical on cobbles - **** you Get Cancellara on the front.
Child brings down half the peloton incl Sanchez and Contador,- **** you get Cancellara on the front.
Riders have a poor ttt squad and lose time on Andy in a tt, **** that get Cancellara on the front (their fault for having a poor squad).
Riders get screwed by 3k rule and get 1.5 mins down on Andy even though they come in before him- pfff who cares.
Other rider crashes- **** you, hes not a contender in Andys eyes.
Wggins, VDB, VIno crash, slow everything down, wait to see if the peloton is good? **** that, Andy has a Tour to win.

Andy drops a chain while attacking having already screwed everyone over. Others dont wait. MURDERERS!!!. EVIL MEN not waiting for Andy.

It isnt that his attack failed, the only person with a decent response was Vino. It was that he f*cked up with his chain, not an attacking failure. It took Contador five to six seconds to even pass him, how can you not notice a chain jumping off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KbR5fyhRsU

0:08 chain drops - 0:14 Alberto passes Andy and accelerates - how can you NOT notice it when you ride right past him.

Oh and Thomas my good man.

Do you place the same blame on Menchov as you do on Contador?

Because at the end of the day it was Menchov and Samu who pushed on.

Contador could either risk the Tour by waiting for Andrew to fix his bike ( a favour that would never be returned from that self centered egomaniac), or go on with his rivals.

So Menchov is also an evil dude trying to screw Andy.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Contador once again showed his lack of class in the incident known as chaingate.
I respect Contador as the greatest GT rider since Indurain, but Contador does not have the personality,panache, or grace, of the great ones, like Armstrong, Cancellera and the Schlecks.
He will never ever be a patron, like Cancellera, Armstrong, or Dave Z.

Oh, dear god.

 

[The Plediadian]

Its funny how everysingle way in which riders lose time are PERFECTLY OK apart from the ones where Andy loses time.

Mechanical on cobbles - **** you Get Cancellara on the front.
Child brings down half the peloton incl Sanchez and Contador,- **** you get Cancellara on the front.
Riders have a poor ttt squad and lose time on Andy in a tt, **** that get Cancellara on the front (their fault for having a poor squad).
Riders get screwed by 3k rule and get 1.5 mins down on Andy even though they come in before him- pfff who cares.
Other rider crashes- **** you, hes not a contender in Andys eyes.
Wggins, VDB, VIno crash, slow everything down, wait to see if the peloton is good? **** that, Andy has a Tour to win.

Andy drops a chain while attacking having already screwed everyone over. Others dont wait. MURDERERS!!!. EVIL MEN not waiting for Andy.




Oh and Thomas my good man.

Do you place the same blame on Menchov as you do on Contador?

Because at the end of the day it was Menchov and Samu who pushed on.

Contador could either risk the Tour by waiting for Andrew to fix his bike ( a favour that would never be returned from that self centered egomaniac), or go on with his rivals.

So Menchov is also an evil dude trying to screw Andy.

Andy and Frank are the good guys, please, get used to it. Seriously though it will be fun to see Andy do something big in the Tour, its all or nothing for Andy this year.

 

[Havetts]

Mechanical on cobbles - **** you Get Cancellara on the front.

Was already on the front, the mechanical Contador had was from the 2nd group of Contenders. What could Cancellara do about that?

Child brings down half the peloton incl Sanchez and Contador,- **** you get Cancellara on the front.

Nope, it was Europcar & RadioShack & BMC riding. Cancellara didnt even ride on front cause he wanted to win the stage..

Riders have a poor ttt squad and lose time on Andy in a tt, **** that get Cancellara on the front (their fault for having a poor squad).

Can't blame people for putting a TTr to work in a TTT. Although it was a CancellaraTT

Riders get screwed by 3k rule and get 1.5 mins down on Andy even though they come in before him- pfff who cares.

Rules are the rules, its literally sh*t happens that the spectator had to be stupid 9,4 km before the finish. But can't blame the persons who fell in the 2 km to go crash.. :S

Other rider crashes- **** you, hes not a contender in Andys eyes.
Wggins, VDB, VIno crash, slow everything down, wait to see if the peloton is good? **** that, Andy has a Tour to win.

Andy drops a chain while attacking having already screwed everyone over. Others dont wait. MURDERERS!!!. EVIL MEN not waiting for Andy.

Oh and Thomas my good man.
Do you place the same blame on Menchov as you do on Contador?
Because at the end of the day it was Menchov and Samu who pushed on.
Contador could either risk the Tour by waiting for Andrew to fix his bike ( a favour that would never be returned from that self centered egomaniac), or go on with his rivals.
So Menchov is also an evil dude trying to screw Andy.

Yes dear Hitch, I did not like them riding on either. But please don't act like I'm the evil spreading around this world for taking it up for Andy. I do not like Andy's attitude but my god, this forum's hate against Andy makes me stick up for him, and so here I am being made out for all thats evil in the world and somehow its being made all sarcastic against me when I'm just showing what Andy did and whats wrong in his eyes.

 

[Froome19]

Its funny how everysingle way in which riders lose time are PERFECTLY OK apart from the ones where Andy loses time.

Mechanical on cobbles - **** you Get Cancellara on the front.
Child brings down half the peloton incl Sanchez and Contador,- **** you get Cancellara on the front.
Riders have a poor ttt squad and lose time on Andy in a tt, **** that get Cancellara on the front (their fault for having a poor squad).
Riders get screwed by 3k rule and get 1.5 mins down on Andy even though they come in before him- pfff who cares.
Other rider crashes- **** you, hes not a contender in Andys eyes.
Wggins, VDB, VIno crash, slow everything down, wait to see if the peloton is good? **** that, Andy has a Tour to win.

Andy drops a chain while attacking having already screwed everyone over. Others dont wait. MURDERERS!!!. EVIL MEN not waiting for Andy.

Oh and Thomas my good man.
Do you place the same blame on Menchov as you do on Contador?
Because at the end of the day it was Menchov and Samu who pushed on.
Contador could either risk the Tour by waiting for Andrew to fix his bike ( a favour that would never be returned from that self centered egomaniac), or go on with his rivals.
So Menchov is also an evil dude trying to screw Andy.

All the other cases which you mentioned were not active attacks by the other riders, it perfectly Ok to ride on if someone crashes but to take advantage of the crash to attack is something totally different and is not fair at all. (still the amount of whining is unjustifiable)

BTW, Menchov & Sanchez imo weren't really attacking Schleck just taking advantage of Contador's attack so it was fine.

 

[dolophonic]

Just finding it interesting how their PR spin is already well underway.
The Hog is going to fix all the problems
Frandy will win the TT heavy tour easyily.
Scary thoughts.

 

[Angliru]

Contador once again showed his lack of class in the incident known as chaingate.
I respect Contador as the greatest GT rider since Indurain, but Contador does not have the personality,panache, or grace, of the great ones, like Armstrong, Cancellera and the Schlecks.
He will never ever be a patron, like Cancellera, Armstrong, or Dave Z.

Great ones/Schlecks???
Dave Z???
LOL!!

Armstrong and grace only belong in the same sentence if that Grace is a woman he's chasing!

IMO Contador has no ambitions of being a "patron".

I think from this point on I will leave others to respond to your silly posts.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Great ones/Schlecks???
Dave Z???
LOL!!

Armstrong and grace only belong in the same sentence if that grace is woman he's chasing!

IMO Contador has no ambitions of being a "patron".

I think from this point on I will leave others to respond to your silly posts.

He's just weird. I mean, he thinks Frandy equal Alberto in sexiness and sweetness.

 

[airstream]

trying to justify contador's behaviour in chaingate is an encouragement of brazen lying beastliness, in terms of life, not only in terms of sport.

 

[The Hitch]

So lets get this straight. If you lose time in a ttt its - you should have a better squad.

But if you lose time because you drop a chain, why is it not - you should not have dropped your chain?

Why is it instead everyone elses fault?

Was already on the front, the mechanical Contador had was from the 2nd group of Contenders. What could Cancellara do about that?



Nope, it was Europcar & RadioShack & BMC riding. Cancellara didnt even ride on front cause he wanted to win the stage..


Can't blame people for putting a TTr to work in a TTT. Although it was a CancellaraTT



Rules are the rules, its literally sh*t happens that the spectator had to be stupid 9,4 km before the finish. But can't blame the persons who fell in the 2 km to go crash.. :S




Yes dear Hitch, I did not like them riding on either. But please don't act like I'm the evil spreading around this world for taking it up for Andy. I do not like Andy's attitude but my god, this forum's hate against Andy makes me stick up for him, and so here I am being made out for all thats evil in the world and somehow its being made all sarcastic against me when I'm just showing what Andy did and whats wrong in his eyes.

I perferctly understand the position. Ive been defending Andy from the likes of El Pistolero and others who mock Andys stage 18 performance, for a long time.

Im not attacking you btw.

But on the other hand you also have Andys crimes - especially against Sastre, or his claiming that LBL isnt a race worthy of him, which no fair minded fan can overlook.

And for every Schleck hater who (sometimes go overboard) stand up to his crap there are airstreams who would have you labelled a cheat just for suggesting that Schleck was in the wrong.

trying to justify contador's behaviour in chaingate is an encouragement of brazen lying beastliness, in terms of life, not only in terms of sport.

Or its defending the "Anything goes" attitude.

Stephen Roche saqid that this isnt a girls tea party, its the Tour de France.

Is he defending lying beastliness in life?

 

[The Hitch]

BTW, Menchov & Sanchez imo weren't really attacking Schleck just taking advantage of Contador's attack so it was fine.

You think if Contador attacked Menchov and Samu would have been in any position to keep up?

 

[airstream]

Or its defending the "Anything goes" attitude.

Stephen Roche saqid that this isnt a girls tea party, its the Tour de France.

Is he defending lying beastliness in life?

he was protecting his sonny, betrayed by gadret.

 

[El Pistolero]

I never mocked Andy's stage 18 performance, thank you very much.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

All the other cases which you mentioned were not active attacks by the other riders, it perfectly Ok to ride on if someone crashes but to take advantage of the crash to attack is something totally different and is not fair at all. (still the amount of whining is unjustifiable)

BTW, Menchov & Sanchez imo weren't really attacking Schleck just taking advantage of Contador's attack so it was fine.

"ride on," huh. Cancellera only went in full beast mode when Frank Schleck crashed and Armstrong and Contador were caught behind. Not before.

I'd say that's more "unsportsmanlike" than taking advantage of someone who is unable to shift gears - his own fault.



Anyway, both actions were justified. Both situations called for it. If you're serious about winning the Tour, that is.