Schlecks Depreciation Thread

[El Pistolero]

At least Contador didn't make his brother break a bone to gain some time

 

[Angliru]

trying to justify contador's behaviour in chaingate is an encouragement of brazen lying beastliness, in terms of life, not only in terms of sport.

Interesting choice of words. You guys crack me up.

 

[woodenswan]

At least Contador didn't make his brother break a bone to gain some time

yeah. andy is evil. i hear he strangles kittens now. thats his new thing.

 

[Angliru]

he was protecting his sonny, betrayed by gadret.

From the tone of Roche's quote I would've thought that he meant for them to get on with racing and stop the whining.

 

[Angliru]

At least Contador didn't make his brother break a bone to gain some time

...and then instead of showing his appreciation at the Vuelta by giving his all in support of his brother, he's out latenight barhopping with Stuie. What a guy!

 

[Froome19]

"ride on," huh. Cancellera only went in full beast mode when Frank Schleck crashed and Armstrong and Contador were caught behind. Not before.

I'd say that's more "unsportsmanlike" than taking advantage of someone who is unable to shift gears - his own fault.



Anyway, both actions were justified. Both situations called for it. If you're serious about winning the Tour, that is.

I do believe that Saxo and therefore partially Schleck were wrong to do what they did on the cobbles and I wasn't justifying it, just saying that in comparison to chain gate it was not as bad.
Both actions were certainly not justified, especially chaingate as the tour is about the strongest rider succeeding by virtue of him being the strongest rider. Unfortunately other cicrcumstances like TTTs and the cobbles come into play, and thats just how life is, it isn't desirable but is how the tour is. Yet the riders should be trying to minimise these exceptions. The fact that Contador and Schleck were neck and neck towards the end of the the tour and then Contador takes advantage in such a blatant manner proving that he will resort to anything to win the tour is undeniably wrong.
If you try to justify such actions then you are undermining the whole of cycling and its history, in the end of the day cycling is just a sport and what makes it better than football or even boxing where they abhor each other?


They're contestants not enemies.. who are desperate to take every little advantage out of each other disregarding whether it is honest or not.

 

[Froome19]

At least Contador didn't make his brother break a bone to gain some time

One thing you can't have a go at is his Andy's relationship with Frank.

TBH it was a bad thing for Andy that Frank crashed, as if Frank had been there Andy would have certainly won by more than he did.

 

[woodenswan]

Contador once again showed his lack of class in the incident known as chaingate.
I respect Contador as the greatest GT rider since Indurain, but Contador does not have the personality,panache, or grace, of the great ones, like Armstrong, Cancellera and the Schlecks.
He will never ever be a patron, like Cancellera, Armstrong, or Dave Z.

whenever u pop in one of these "contador's a cheat/disgrace" chants i always think of this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAn7baRbhx4
its just too funny

 

[Parrulo]

i love how people use armstrong as an example of a true champion should do on the chain gate accident.

well imo the cannibal and the badger are much bigger champions then armstrong could even dream to be and they would not only take advantage of the situation but also laugh into schlecks face afterwards. this is racing no a playground.

also imo the only mistake contador made was apologizing afterwards, if i were contador i would have just said "it's not my fault you are an incompetent cyclist, deal with it".

 

[palmerq]

well imo the cannibal and the badger are much bigger champions then armstrong could even dream to be and they would not only take advantage of the situation but also laugh into schlecks face afterwards. this is racing no a playground.
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I concur, it is quite funny to read books about the old cyclists and the different attitudes, in the old days if someone crashed or had a flat tyre it was time to attack totally the opposite of modern times :S

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

i love how people use armstrong as an example of a true champion should do on the chain gate accident.

well imo the cannibal and the badger are much bigger champions then armstrong could even dream to be and they would not only take advantage of the situation but also laugh into schlecks face afterwards. this is racing no a playground.

also imo the only mistake contador made was apologizing afterwards, if i were contador i would have just said "it's not my fault you are an incompetent cyclist, deal with it".

Also, Armstrong was only ever about fair play if the other guy was no threat to him.

 

[woodenswan]

well imo the cannibal and the badger are much bigger champions then armstrong could even dream to be and they would not only take advantage of the situation but also laugh into schlecks face afterwards. this is racing no a playground.

that one.
although whether or not Contador was right to go on is not an issue for me at all. it's Andy's reaction that bothers me. i dont recall Evans complaining about Valverde, Sanches and perhaps Mosquera riding on in the 2009 Vuelta after he had a puncture in a decisive moment and lost contact although he was only 6 seconds down on gc and had a good chance of winning. sure he complained about the neutral guys taking forever to fix him up but not about the others not waiting

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It isnt that his attack failed, the only person with a decent response was Vino. It was that he f*cked up with his chain, not an attacking failure. It took Contador five to six seconds to even pass him, how can you not notice a chain jumping off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KbR5fyhRsU

0:08 chain drops - 0:14 Alberto passes Andy and accelerates - how can you NOT notice it when you ride right past him.

"If you draw your sword and drop it, you'll die" - Ryder Hesjedal.

David Harmon's tweet on the morning after:
"Kelly says wait, Fignon says 'one of those things', Durand, Roche, VDB say 'go', Mentheour says 'stupid gear change!'..Guimard non commital" Opinions were split among the ex-pros, but I think Hesjedal's point should really have been the last word on Chaingate back when he said it in July 2010.

 

[BYOP88]

Its funny how everysingle way in which riders lose time are PERFECTLY OK apart from the ones where Andy loses time.

Mechanical on cobbles - **** you Get Cancellara on the front.
Child brings down half the peloton incl Sanchez and Contador,- **** you get Cancellara on the front.
Riders have a poor ttt squad and lose time on Andy in a tt, **** that get Cancellara on the front (their fault for having a poor squad).
Riders get screwed by 3k rule and get 1.5 mins down on Andy even though they come in before him- pfff who cares.
Other rider crashes- **** you, hes not a contender in Andys eyes.
Wggins, VDB, VIno crash, slow everything down, wait to see if the peloton is good? **** that, Andy has a Tour to win.

Andy drops a chain while attacking having already screwed everyone over. Others dont wait. MURDERERS!!!. EVIL MEN not waiting for Andy.




Oh and Thomas my good man.

Do you place the same blame on Menchov as you do on Contador?

Because at the end of the day it was Menchov and Samu who pushed on.

Contador could either risk the Tour by waiting for Andrew to fix his bike ( a favour that would never be returned from that self centered egomaniac), or go on with his rivals.

So Menchov is also an evil dude trying to screw Andy.

This +100000 and it's also the bulk of the reason I dislike Schleck.

As for chaingate, post above says it all.

 

[thehog]

This +100000 and it's also the bulk of the reason I dislike Schleck.

As for chaingate, post above says it all.

Someone help me here. I think it was TdS 2011 when a Radobank rider in shot of winning punctured. What did Leopard do? Attack and push it on the front. Pointless. Rabobank swore black and blue come the Tour Leopard get nothing. I wish I could remember the details!

But agree with everything Hitch wrote.

Andy needs Alberto. He was lost last year when Contador wasn't 100% and couldn't make the plays on his behalf.

 

[The Hitch]

Someone help me here. I think it was TdS 2011 when a Radobank rider in shot of winning punctured. What did Leopard do? Attack and push it on the front. Pointless. Rabobank swore black and blue come the Tour Leopard get nothing. I wish I could remember the details!

But agree with everything Hitch wrote.

Andy needs Alberto. He was lost last year when Contador wasn't 100% and couldn't make the plays on his behalf.

It was kruiswick as dt will never let us forget

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Mollema rather

 

[gregrowlerson]

I do believe that Saxo and therefore partially Schleck were wrong to do what they did on the cobbles and I wasn't justifying it, just saying that in comparison to chain gate it was not as bad.
Both actions were certainly not justified, especially chaingate as the tour is about the strongest rider succeeding by virtue of him being the strongest rider. Unfortunately other cicrcumstances like TTTs and the cobbles come into play, and thats just how life is, it isn't desirable but is how the tour is. Yet the riders should be trying to minimise these exceptions. The fact that Contador and Schleck were neck and neck towards the end of the the tour and then Contador takes advantage in such a blatant manner proving that he will resort to anything to win the tour is undeniably wrong.
If you try to justify such actions then you are undermining the whole of cycling and its history, in the end of the day cycling is just a sport and what makes it better than football or even boxing where they abhor each other?


They're contestants not enemies.. who are desperate to take every little advantage out of each other disregarding whether it is honest or not.

Saxo cannot take the moral high ground at all when it comes to the 2010 TDF. People conveniently forget that on the stage before the cobbles there were all those crashes late in the stage, and then Fabian called a halt to proceedings because both Schlecks were in the process of losing the TDF. You can't do that and then attack after crashes the following day (and remember that the crashes on stage two were closer to the finish) because it suits you and claim to be a fair sportsman. There have been too many instances of riders not waiting after crashes, so I propose a no wait rule. Andy should have been way out of it after stage 2. And then we wouldn't even have had "chaingate."

As for the Andy needing Alberto thing, I don't see it. The best attacks at the TDF recently have both been by Andy; Tourmalet and Izoard/Galibier. More credit should be given to him for those attacks, and while I believe that he should have attacked on PDB, perhaps he just wasn't on a great day and besides, it's pretty hard to attack a long way out on numerous stages.

 

[Ripper]

also imo the only mistake contador made was apologizing afterwards, if i were contador i would have just said "it's not my fault you are an incompetent cyclist, deal with it".

That would have been great! Rather than all this 'nice' silly stuff, DBD should have just said - well, learn how to change gears (and TT, and decend, and sprint, and race without your brother sometimes, and actually race during the rest of the year)

 

[jens_attacks]

Someone help me here. I think it was TdS 2011 when a Radobank rider in shot of winning punctured. What did Leopard do? Attack and push it on the front. Pointless. Rabobank swore black and blue come the Tour Leopard get nothing. I wish I could remember the details!.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...-for-Leopard-Trek-tactics-after-puncture.aspx

i think it was pretty cool,hypocritical but cool.
the great ten dam brought the revenge in tour de france on the stage to luz ardiden though.andy of course i remember had a mechanical and ten dam attacked like a rocket just because of this.it didn't work

 

[Froome19]

Someone help me here. I think it was TdS 2011 when a Radobank rider in shot of winning punctured. What did Leopard do? Attack and push it on the front. Pointless. Rabobank swore black and blue come the Tour Leopard get nothing. I wish I could remember the details!
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First of all it was Mollema and even if he had gained back the time he lost on that stage he would have still finished 4th overall in GC so it did'nt actually change very much.
I' am not trying to justify Leopard's actions though, they were wrong but this is about the Schlecks not Leopard Trek who are not even existent anymore. (btw Fuglsang was the rider who finished ahead of Mollema not f. Schleck)

 

[The Hitch]

First of all it was Mollema and even if he had gained back the time he lost on that stage he would have still finished 4th overall in GC so it did'nt actually change very much.
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Even if Andy had gained back the time he lost on stage 15 he would still have finished 2nd on gc.

 

[webbie146]

Also, Armstrong was only ever about fair play if the other guy was no threat to him.

uhm..

tdf 01 - Ullrich crashes on descent, LA sits up and waits for him

tdf 03 - LA crashes on Luz Ardiden, Ullrich slows group down for Armstrong

Ullrich was his biggest opponent that year, but he waited. Also I can tell you that neither Ullrich or LA would take advantage of that chain error that happened to Andy.

 

[personal]

What about Beloki?

 

[webbie146]

What about Beloki?

U mean Beloki tdf 03? Well that was clearly a different situation.. The guy broke his hip, how should Armstrong wait for that?

What I was trying to say was that LA/Ullrich both did not want to take advantage of crashes/mechanical problems. If Ullrich attacked like Andy did on the last part of a climb and dropped his chain, LA would have waited. Same for Ullrich.

Contador could clearly see that Andy dropped his chain, and then went into turbo-mode up that mountain..