Schlecks Depreciation Thread

[Panda Claws]

I think the the career of Andy Schleck is the counter argument.

Ba Dum Tss!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

is it your counter argument?

I don't think a counter argument is needed, but I'll let Andy Schleck do it for me.

"The final descent from the Pramartino pass is ridiculous. It's nothing but a track across a wood. The Pinerolo finish is ominous."

"I rode down this hill three times in training and I already found it too risky. It is fatally dangerous. It if rains, several riders will again end up in hospital."

"What do the public want to see, a fair race or a race which ends up in hospital?"

"I don't really know how you should train descents. I think that it's a little too dangerous to train on."

"I’m pretty disappointed, but if this is what people want to see, a race decided on a downhill, I don’t think that. A finish like this should not be allowed."

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I don't think a counter argument is needed, but I'll let Andy Schleck do it for me.

"The final descent from the Pramartino pass is ridiculous. It's nothing but a track across a wood. The Pinerolo finish is ominous."

"I rode down this hill three times in training and I already found it too risky. It is fatally dangerous. It if rains, several riders will again end up in hospital."

"What do the public want to see, a fair race or a race which ends up in hospital?"

"I don't really know how you should train descents. I think that it's a little too dangerous to train on."

"I’m pretty disappointed, but if this is what people want to see, a race decided on a downhill, I don’t think that. A finish like this should not be allowed."

Liberty, vuelta murcia was supposed to be done today but i cannot find anything on it, do you have any idea or news?. sorry for beinf ot. thank you, as you were gents.

 

[Beech Mtn]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...-for-Leopard-Trek-tactics-after-puncture.aspx

i think it was pretty cool,hypocritical but cool.
the great ten dam brought the revenge in tour de france on the stage to luz ardiden though.andy of course i remember had a mechanical and ten dam attacked like a rocket just because of this.it didn't work

LtD and Baby Schleck also had words after a stage of one of the US races, can't remember if it was ToUtah or the Colorado Race Without A Name. At TdF there was a time or two when it looked like LtD was deliberately sheltering Contador from the wind. Can't remember which stages though.

 

[airstream]

his career is quite successful. only ill-wishers may think other way. he surely failed the descent to gap, but showed good skills at the downhills from col du romme, col de la madeleine (doing most of work) and bale. yea hes not samu sanchez, but 1 failure doesnt neutralize someone's ability absolutely. he just feels uncomfortable on wet roads

 

[Libertine Seguros]

his career is quite successful. only ill-wishers may think other way. he surely failed the descent to gap, but showed good skills at the downhills from col du romme, col de la madeleine (doing most of work) and bale. yea hes not samu sanchez, but 1 failure doesnt neutralize someone's ability absolutely. he just feels uncomfortable on wet roads

Ivan Basso's career is quite successful. Doesn't stop him from sucking at descending.

 

[cprior]

andy is a pretty good descender.

He descends quickly from the podium indeed -- it really isn't very far for him.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Airstream, do you really believe that andy shleck is a good descender?

 

[woodenswan]

Airstream, do you really believe that andy shleck is a good descender?

thats just baiting
actually, i'm still convinced that airstream is hitchens in disguise, bored to death and trying to stir things up a lil

 

[airstream]

Airstream, do you really believe that andy shleck is a good descender?

better than most of allrounders (climbers)

"The final descent from the Pramartino pass is ridiculous. It's nothing but a track across a wood. The Pinerolo finish is ominous."

"I rode down this hill three times in training and I already found it too risky. It is fatally dangerous. It if rains, several riders will again end up in hospital."

"What do the public want to see, a fair race or a race which ends up in hospital?"

"I don't really know how you should train descents. I think that it's a little too dangerous to train on."

its rather about whining and complaining than descending. if a rider cant correspond to contador and samu's level on overly technically downhill, it doesnt mean he cant descend.
im pretty sure many many guys disliked the descent from colle pramartino, but only schleck claimed about that openly. of course he was bound to get a chunk of critical arrows. its unsurprising)

 

[DominicDecoco]

The acutal interview from Andy after the stage:

At 40:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyv4u4kLwU4

Cringeworthy.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

better than most of allrounders (climbers)


its rather about whining and complaining than descending. if a rider cant correspond to contador and samu's level on overly technically downhill, it doesnt mean he cant descend.
im pretty sure many many guys disliked the descent from colle pramartino, but only schleck claimed about that openly. of course he was bound to get a chunk of critical arrows. its unsurprising)

He's about as good as most pure climbers (Antón, Basso etc), but can't hold a candle to any of the more 'all-round' guys (Evans, Vino, Sánchez, Valverde)...

The Colle Pramartino descent isn't too bad. It's only 5km long and had been raced in the Giro a couple of years earlier. Di Luca, Pellizotti, Arroyo and Sastre couldn't gap Menchov on that descent, and took less than 20 seconds out of such noted descenders as Leipheimer, Soler and Basso. But if Pramartino is a problem for you since you feel many would have considered it dangerous, let's consider the previous day's ride into Gap. Much wider, friendlier roads there.

On the descent into Gap, he couldn't follow Contador, Sánchez and Evans. OK, that's no shame, those guys, Sánchez in particular, are good descenders. Evans was made to look foolish by Arroyo on the Mortirolo, sure, but the guy is typically very good, and had the excuse of having gone miles and miles into the red on the climb. Schleck didn't have that on a stage when José Joaquín Rojas and Geraint Thomas finished ahead of him. But Andy didn't just lose out to Contador, Sánchez and Evans. Those guys pulled out 18" on a group with Cunego, Voeckler and Andy's own big brother, a guy often thought before that as being more scared than Andy on the descents. Danielson was a bit further behind. They pulled out 51" on a group with Ivan Basso - the man that descends like he's riding a clown bike - in it. And Schleck couldn't stay with HIS pace. Andy came in 15" behind that.

 

[Angliru]

LtD and Baby Schleck also had words after a stage of one of the US races, can't remember if it was ToUtah or the Colorado Race Without A Name. At TdF there was a time or two when it looked like LtD was deliberately sheltering Contador from the wind. Can't remember which stages though.

I've just become a big fan of LtD.

 

[issoisso]

Andy's own big brother, a guy often thought before that as being more scared than Andy on the descents

And who, it should be pointed out, came a close second in the riders' poll of the worst descender in the peloton.

 

[Angliru]

his career is quite successful. only ill-wishers may think other way. he surely failed the descent to gap, but showed good skills at the downhills from col du romme, col de la madeleine (doing most of work) and bale. yea hes not samu sanchez, but 1 failure doesnt neutralize someone's ability absolutely. he just feels uncomfortable on wet roads

...and he whines about the descents that he deems are dangerous instead of just getting on with it. They have solutions for the serious thumbsucking that he's prone to.

 

[ferryman]

He descends quickly from the podium indeed -- it really isn't very far for him.

Didn't he ascend to top spot a few weeks ago on a cetain podium

 

[The Hitch]

Didn't he ascend to top spot a few weeks ago on a cetain podium

Picture or it didn't happen

 

[ferryman]

...and he whines about the descents that he deems are dangerous instead of just getting on with it. They have solutions for the serious thumbsucking that he's prone to.

Maybe, but he is one who probably represents the feeling of 99% of the silent peleton and so quite rightly speaks out against what he/they perceive as dangerous because he will be quoted.

 

[ferryman]

He's about as good as most pure climbers (Antón, Basso etc), but can't hold a candle to any of the more 'all-round' guys (Evans, Vino, Sánchez, Valverde)...

The Colle Pramartino descent isn't too bad. It's only 5km long and had been raced in the Giro a couple of years earlier. Di Luca, Pellizotti, Arroyo and Sastre couldn't gap Menchov on that descent, and took less than 20 seconds out of such noted descenders as Leipheimer, Soler and Basso. But if Pramartino is a problem for you since you feel many would have considered it dangerous, let's consider the previous day's ride into Gap. Much wider, friendlier roads there.

On the descent into Gap, he couldn't follow Contador, Sánchez and Evans. OK, that's no shame, those guys, Sánchez in particular, are good descenders. Evans was made to look foolish by Arroyo on the Mortirolo, sure, but the guy is typically very good, and had the excuse of having gone miles and miles into the red on the climb. Schleck didn't have that on a stage when José Joaquín Rojas and Geraint Thomas finished ahead of him. But Andy didn't just lose out to Contador, Sánchez and Evans. Those guys pulled out 18" on a group with Cunego, Voeckler and Andy's own big brother, a guy often thought before that as being more scared than Andy on the descents. Danielson was a bit further behind. They pulled out 51" on a group with Ivan Basso - the man that descends like he's riding a clown bike - in it. And Schleck couldn't stay with HIS pace. Andy came in 15" behind that.

Excellent add it to the list of '101 reasons why I dislike Andy Schleck' No mentrion of 'all rounder' Wiggins in there I see

 

[Angliru]

Maybe, but he is one who probably represents the feeling of 99% of the silent peleton and so quite rightly speaks out against what he/they perceive as dangerous because he will be quoted.

99%??? That's more than an exaggeration, don't you think? He and his brother's history of whining about having something unjustifiably taken from/or denied them supercedes any potential for them representing the "silent peloton". I'm quite certain the "silent peloton" would prefer a person with more ba11s than Andy as their spokesman.

 

[ferryman]

99%??? That's more than an exaggeration, don't you think? He and his brother's history of whining about having something unjustifiably taken from/or denied them supercedes any potential for them representing the "silent peloton". I'm quite certain the "silent peloton" would prefer a person with more ba11s than Andy as their spokesman.

Why "silent peleton". It is for 99% of them. The grunts if you like. And I bet most of them were in agreement with Schleck on this.

 

[Angliru]

Why "silent peleton". It is for 99% of them. The grunts if you like. And I bet most of them were in agreement with Schleck on this.

Until I see a show of hands, I'm not believeing it.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

But Andy's comments weren't really about safety. If they were just about safety, then fair enough. When he started the spiel about people seeing races decided on descents all mixed in with it, he made it clear it was about him winning, and nothing else.

 

[airstream]

guys, no offence, but regarding andy, you start evaluating even his descending by whining

Interesting choice of words. You guys crack me up.

you can always fix me, dear native speaker. id be grateful

 

[Libertine Seguros]

guys, no offence, but regarding andy, you start evaluating even his descending by whining

We're discussing Andy Schleck. When in Rome...