Scientific Dialog: Coggan Style

[acoggan]

Blah Blah Blah. I curve fit some data and will goddamn sue anyone who critiques my curve fit. Or my trademarks. You're ridiculous. As suggested by the fact you can't publish your analysis. Good christ, man, post you're analysis online and be done with it. The commercial value is pretty low.

1. I don't have any problem with people criticizing the model. What I do have a problem with is people violating my intellectual property rights.

2. I have no doubt that the new model is publishable (and I'd say I'm in a pretty good position to judge what is/isn't publishable in this field). As I said before, though, I'd rather see it in the hands of the masses.

3. As for the commercial value, well, that's really not my (direct) concern.

 

[Ripper]

Trademark infringement. Sounds too much like "epic." Specialized would sue.

I just received a Cease and Desist from Ron Burgundy!

 

[acoggan]

Keep it classy Acoggan.

You mean like the other here launching ad hominem attacks and starting off-topic threads just to criticize me?

 

[Netserk]

How can you start an off-topic thread?

 

[Clausfarre]

At least I can take comfort in the fact that this kind of open discussion censorship is being unanimously condemned here.

I strongly despise this horrendous copyright nonsense. Take criticism like a man or refute it if possible. Using YouTube, who willingly takes the sides of any and all video flaggers, as a tool to end debate is the lowest form of non-communication.

 

[Almeisan]

How can you start an off-topic thread?

rofl

10char

 

[ChewbaccaD]

No, it is just that after ~20 y of freely sharing my ideas on the web I've grown tired of people (e.g., Grappe) ripping them off w/o giving proper credit. I've therefore simply decided that it is high time to draw a firm line in the sand and insist that my intellectual property rights be respected. I don't think that is too much to ask, especially since I am under no obligation whatsoever to share my thoughts and insights in the 1st place.

...then please, feel free not to...nobody will notice.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

On the contrary, obalance I believe that the wiki article support my stance, i.e., that Michael's use of my copyrighted material does not qualify as fair use (note in particular the sections on substitution, harm, and community norms).

Still expecting people to read your mind. Still can't just come out and say what the issue is. For someone who bleats on about being precise with their words, it's pretty easy when they are so generic and so lacking in actual content.

And still unable to refute Michael's argument(s). If you had have spent the time responding to people who do not and probably never will respect you here more constructively, you could have done such.

Priorities, Coggan, I thought you would have them nailed down by now.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

There is absolutely nothing new about the right I am asserting, only the ease with which modern technology enables/encourages people to violate it.

What's humorous is that you think Youtube heeding your request is conclusive proof of your claim...you back it up with Wikipedia...you're funny walking around with your chest all puffed out, playing lawyer...

 

[GuyIncognito]

As a neutral (oh who am I kidding, not even coggan's mother would dream of siding with him), I'd point out that youtube does not check copyright unless there is an appeal, they just automatically take it down.

I can claim copyright on any video and it'll be taken down if the person who posted it doesn't appeal.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

1. I don't have any problem with people criticizing the model. What I do have a problem with is people violating my intellectual property rights.

2. I have no doubt that the new model is publishable (and I'd say I'm in a pretty good position to judge what is/isn't publishable in this field). As I said before, though, I'd rather see it in the hands of the masses.

3. As for the commercial value, well, that's really not my (direct) concern.

Oh, you're the Jonas fu*king Salk of exercise physiology...Every time I read something you've written, I feel like someone is forcing a finger down my throat.

BTW, no relevant body as adjudicated regarding your "rights," but you keep making the claim because sooner or later, you'll convince yourself.

 

[oldcrank]

Perhaps if some of the bitter, bone-idle pseudo-scientists got
off their behinds in their own lives and applied themselves and
worked hard at something and achieved something they might
understand why a real scientist would chose to defend his
intellectual property rights.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Perhaps if some of the bitter, bone-idle pseudo-scientists got
off their behinds in their own lives and applied themselves and
worked hard at something and achieved something they might
understand why a real scientist would chose to defend his
intellectual property rights.

 

[Almeisan]

Perhaps if some of the bitter, bone-idle pseudo-scientists got
off their behinds in their own lives and applied themselves and
worked hard at something and achieved something they might
understand why a real scientist would chose to defend his
intellectual property rights.

Perhaps some of us are more successful, in the academic world or somewhere else, than Mr Coggan over here. Or maybe not, whatever you want to believe. Maybe he is the most successful scientist that ever used the internets. Might be true, right?

As a neutral (oh who am I kidding, not even coggan's mother would dream of siding with him), I'd point out that youtube does not check copyright unless there is an appeal, they just automatically take it down.

I can claim copyright on any video and it'll be taken down if the person who posted it doesn't appeal.

That's why the law is so harsh on false copyright claims. If one is made, youtube immediately has to cut the content. But when it was false, there is a severe backlash.

 

[Netserk]

I wouldn't expect anything else from a
normal member, but I thought you
Chewie had learned to appreciate
oldcrank's posts

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I wouldn't expect anything else from a
normal member, but I thought you
Chewie had learned to appreciate
oldcrank's posts

Deep undercover sarcasm?

 

[Ferminal]

No need to pile it on Andrew, just one of I'm sure many with degenerate philosophies in the wacky world of ideas and content.

 

[Colonel]

After all these years still no one like Coggan. Must suck to be you Andy and I would of thought after all these years you would of dropped the intellectual bully vibe cause it got you no place before.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

I obviously think about these things too much, but something struck me. I honestly wonder if these are Dr. Coggan's intellectual property at all. What I mean is that if Dr. Coggan discovered something in the course of his academic work then the university he's associated with would "own" the IP. Likewise, he would be obligated to open his research (methodology, data, analysis, calculations, etc) to interested parties and publish where appropriate. Any decision to patent and/or trademark would be taken by the university.

On the other hand, if Dr. Coggan discovered something as part of his duties at a company, then it is his employers who own any IP. They are obligated to patent/trademark and/or protect the IP via trade secrets.

So I guess I don't understand what Dr. Coggan is trying to protect. Either he is obligated to disseminate any and all findings, or it is his employers responsibility to protect the IP. He really shouldn't have any stake in this at all unless:

- He owns the company who employed him to research this topic
- He has the absolute best employee contract in the history of making money
- He made his discoveries independently of any research at any institution

John Swanson

 

[Ripper]

I obviously think about these things too much, but something struck me. I honestly wonder if these are Dr. Coggan's intellectual property at all.

John - yes you do. Any additional thoughts about AC are "too much"

 

[Netserk]

http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/72340148173/tumblr-dmca-notice-dear-veloclinic-weve

An Andy Coggan Classic.

 

[Almeisan]

Just counter-notify and Coggan is ****ed.

Love it that he put his fake PhD in his name.

 

[blutto]

Just counter-notify and Coggan is ****ed.

Love it that he put his fake PhD in his name.

....oh my gawd a fake PhD....please do explain...because I did find the following listed by the Washington University School of Medicine...

"Andrew Coggan, PhD, is an internationally recognized exercise physiologist. His research provided the foundation for the TrainingPeaks WKO+ software, which he co-developed with Allen. Coggan is a research associate at Washington University School of Medicine. He holds a PhD in Exercise Physiology from the University of Texas and an MS in Human Bioenergetics form Ball State University. "

...so frankly I'm confused....as either the University of Texas and Washington University are both sadly messed up, or you just pulled this out of your ****...

Cheers

 

[spetsa]

I obviously think about these things too much, but something struck me. I honestly wonder if these are Dr. Coggan's intellectual property at all. What I mean is that if Dr. Coggan discovered something in the course of his academic work then the university he's associated with would "own" the IP. Likewise, he would be obligated to open his research (methodology, data, analysis, calculations, etc) to interested parties and publish where appropriate. Any decision to patent and/or trademark would be taken by the university.

On the other hand, if Dr. Coggan discovered something as part of his duties at a company, then it is his employers who own any IP. They are obligated to patent/trademark and/or protect the IP via trade secrets.

So I guess I don't understand what Dr. Coggan is trying to protect. Either he is obligated to disseminate any and all findings, or it is his employers responsibility to protect the IP. He really shouldn't have any stake in this at all unless:

- He owns the company who employed him to research this topic
- He has the absolute best employee contract in the history of making money
- He made his discoveries independently of any research at any institution

John Swanson

Wash U is one of the great academic institutions is th US, employing a tool. I would love to know if the department chair is even aware.

 

[Almeisan]

....oh my gawd a fake PhD....please do explain...because I did find the following listed by the Washington University School of Medicine...

"Andrew Coggan, PhD, is an internationally recognized exercise physiologist. His research provided the foundation for the TrainingPeaks WKO+ software, which he co-developed with Allen. Coggan is a research associate at Washington University School of Medicine. He holds a PhD in Exercise Physiology from the University of Texas and an MS in Human Bioenergetics form Ball State University. "

...so frankly I'm confused....as either the University of Texas and Washington University are both sadly messed up, or you just pulled this out of your ****...

Cheers

He got it under Coyle. Actually it isn't fake, but if the right people were on top of their job it would be revoked.