Sean Yates

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Tinman said:
Looks like below can be updated further then. And slowly the murky past starts to becomes clearer...

A bit unfair to link Wiggins to McCartney in 2001. The team imploded in February before he ever rode for them, hence he retreated to riding for the GB Academy.

In 1998 Armstrong contacted Bauer to be a DS for USPS. Bauer wasn't interested and suggested Yates, who LA was obviously happy to ask. But Yates was irritated at being 2nd choice, and with the McCartney DS role already available, took that instead.
 
Jul 10, 2010
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Benotti69 said:
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What a joke all the BS coming rom Sky has been!

They sound as dirty as every other team with their non answers!
Yeah, you know, I think Brailsford shoots himself in the foot every time he opens his mouth. Seems like a real jerk. It's a pity. Man's his own enemy.
 
Jun 11, 2012
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Don Quixote said:
https://picasaweb.google.com/114103...lTT?authkey=Gv1sRgCIq-8sT2vNbitQE&feat=email#

http://www.westsuffolkwheelers.co.uk/racing/mountain-bike/851-brian-philips-memorial-tt

Training partner of Yates, dead at 51.

I am truly sorry about this, and perhaps Yates' own health problems are entirely coincidental. But then again, perhaps they're not. My son could be entering this sport, and I'd kinda like to know what the risks are.

Mate, I think you have every right to question, particularly if your son is interested in becoming a cyclist. Just reserve some small part of your heart for the fact that some of us have achieved professional status (and Rainbow jerseys) without resorting to PEDs...
 
Mar 31, 2010
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Don Quixote said:
https://picasaweb.google.com/114103...lTT?authkey=Gv1sRgCIq-8sT2vNbitQE&feat=email#

http://www.westsuffolkwheelers.co.uk/racing/mountain-bike/851-brian-philips-memorial-tt

Training partner of Yates, dead at 51.

I am truly sorry about this, and perhaps Yates' own health problems are entirely coincidental. But then again, perhaps they're not. My son could be entering this sport, and I'd kinda like to know what the risks are.

yeah I'm sure you're son is going to turn pro jst like that :rolleyes:

with people like bjarne riis still walking around having nothing I wouldn't be afraid your son taking doping, even to extreme ways :rolleyes:
 
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hiero2 said:
Yeah, you know, I think Brailsford shoots himself in the foot every time he opens his mouth. Seems like a real jerk. It's a pity. Man's his own enemy.

he's a f'n ahole from the moment he opened his mouth when sky entered road cycling. he is also clueless in every way.
 
Sep 2, 2012
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esafosfina said:
Mate, I think you have every right to question, particularly if your son is interested in becoming a cyclist. Just reserve some small part of your heart for the fact that some of us have achieved professional status (and Rainbow jerseys) without resorting to PEDs...

Thanks for the reassurance, and kudos to you.
 
esafosfina said:
Mate, I think you have every right to question, particularly if your son is interested in becoming a cyclist. Just reserve some small part of your heart for the fact that some of us have achieved professional status (and Rainbow jerseys) without resorting to PEDs...


And people say its impossible to get experienced team directors without a dodgy past! I think we've found one here.

Now that wasn't hard was it. Any other suggestions Colin?
 
Sep 29, 2012
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hiero2 said:
Huh? You lost me on this - they dismissed Leinders.

However, Yates tested positive in 1989. What for idk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling#1989

In fact no.

1. They were going to investigate Leinders.
2. There was no outcome from the "investigation" - everything above board and tip top. DB could have said this the same day he announced there would be an investigation.
3. Leinders was not dismissed per se, his contract was not renewed.
 
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richwagmn said:
He didn't say doping wasn't happening. He said in his role, he didn't see it. Not impossible.

I disagree. You could not be in LA's team and not have your hands dirty. As he told his massuer after she heard them cooking up a story for his positve, "now you know...". LA made sure that you had to deal with your conscience and make a hard choice same as he had to. There were no easy rides if you were getting a share of DIRTY money. If Yates got some of LA's money which was what funded the team, then he knew and he saw. Maybe he did not partake? I am very doubtful, its like being a worker a mafia family and saying you saw nothing..come'on even the driver in the mafia family knows.
 
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Darryl Webster said:
Love this line : "The proof the system's working is that a guy like Bradley Wiggins has come along and he's SUSPECTED of being clean...."

PMSL :rolleyes:
Those who say Wiggo is clean are just bitter and jealous. He has passed hundreds of dope tests. This is a witch hunt! Those who say he's clean are all liars and have no credability! Wiggo is clean...I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
In fact no.

1. They were going to investigate Leinders.
2. There was no outcome from the "investigation" - everything above board and tip top. DB could have said this the same day he announced there would be an investigation.
3. Leinders was not dismissed per se, his contract was not renewed.

#3 - I wouldn't hang my hat there, friend. The difference between being dismissed and not having your contract renewed is a technicality. It means management doesn't have to pay damages or unemployment, but Leinders didn't get any more paychecks either way. Unemployed is unemployed.

Frankly, given that Leinders could come back and sue for unfair dismissal for any number of reasons - I'm not surprised they (mgmt) would take the easy way out. It's not like Leinders had his local chapter of WADA, or the AG office, go after him for something and dug up evidence. He would have a lot of he-said-she-said wiggle room.

Either way, it looks like Sky listened to the Clinic critics, and got rid of Leinders. So how do we justify still criticizing them for Leinders?

Where I will go along with MJM, is that if they don't pop Yates, they are going to have to explain it and that will change their tune. They no longer have a choice, I think. Don't see how they can avoid a published positive. I think Brailsford is being a twit, and both setting the bar so high that his people are probably not being honest with him, but also setting it so high he ultimately can't be honest with the fans, because 100% clean would make it hard to hire anybody involved in the sport more than 2 years. And, possibly difficult to hire anybody from any Olympic level sport from the past 20 years. Narrows the labor pool a bit.
 
hiero2 said:
Either way, it looks like Sky listened to the Clinic critics, and got rid of Leinders. So how do we justify still criticizing them for Leinders?
Because they hired him in the first place in what was a blatant breach of their stated policy and have failed so far to release any info about their investigation and their reasoning for sacking him?
 
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hrotha said:
Because they hired him in the first place in what was a blatant breach of their stated policy and have failed so far to release any info about their investigation and their reasoning for sacking him?

+1

"i only thought of doping", comes to mind...
 
hiero2 said:
Either way, it looks like Sky listened to the Clinic critics, and got rid of Leinders. So how do we justify still criticizing them for Leinders?
It's funny how Sky is criticized a million times more for having had Leinders on their team than OPQS and Katusha get criticized for having doping doctors on their teams. Likewise everyone seem to care that Sky has a DS who's most likely doped in the past, but largely ignore the fact that most other teams are far more filthy. In RSNT they have Kim Andersen who has tested positive 168 times, Katusha just hired Ekimov, Saxo Bank has Bjarne Riis...

I just don't see how someone can hate Sky for being suspicious and simultaneously support teams like Katusha, Saxo Bank or whatever.
 
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maltiv said:
It's funny how Sky is criticized a million times more for having had Leinders on their team than OPQS and Katusha get criticized for having doping doctors on their teams. Likewise everyone seem to care that Sky has a DS who's most likely doped in the past, but largely ignore the fact that most other teams are far more filthy. In RSNT they have Kim Andersen who has tested positive 168 times, Katusha just hired Ekimov, Saxo Bank has Bjarne Riis...

I just don't see how someone can hate Sky for being suspicious and simultaneously support teams like Katusha, Saxo Bank or whatever.

it certainly not hate. it's disdain for people who act or talk but don't walk the walk.

if the other teams you mention banged on half as much about how clean they are as sky did, they'd cop the same treatment.