Sean Yates

[Mrs John Murphy]

You are making no sense at all.

 

[hiero2]

But what do you do about people like Yates, Sutton, Julich etc who clearly have absolutely no intention of promoting anti-doping?

I think JV is being a bit simplistic here in assuming that the majority of those in the peloton support clean racing.

I agree with you the JV is being simplistic making such an assumption. However, I don't see any other way to act, if you want to try and affect change in the system. And, we are talking about a bit of news coverage, not an in-depth exploration.

Frankly, I see a lot of reason to hope, and JV's recent stuff is one reason. Ashenden has recently made some very positive statements - positive in the terms that everybody is starting to point fingers in the direction of change. It is no longer the solo voice - we have a chorus:
Pointing out not only that things are better, but how much better: 30% instead of 95%
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/20/doping-team-sky-cyclin

Pointing the finger directly at specific UCI actions (or, in this case, some non-actions), but pointing out what is RIGHT and what is wrong http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13112/Ashenden-states-the-UCIs-anti-doping-fight-doesnt-have-the-same-impetus-as-before.aspx

Tinkoff's tweet, floating elsewhere in these forums.

Oleg Tinkov ‏@olegtinkov

Cycling will be better now without Bryneel,Armstrong and other cheaters.We all knew they doped.Now cycling need to get rid of UCI management

Vaughters, Millar, even Phil the Dupe Ligget. All saying that things must change at the top level (UCI). It is all energy in the right direction!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Remind me again what was the first year that he quit the track and focused full-time on the road? And what was the year that he came 4th?

2006. Dauphine 4.1km prologue: 21st.
2007: "In 2 years, I hope to win the TT [only], but not by 2minutes"
2009. Tour de France 3,400km GC: 4th.
2012. Tour de France 3,400km GC: 1st. Final TT by 2:25

 

[hiero2]

I assume you're talking about injecting amphet. Why would they choose to inject over snorting it? Stronger effect, or longer lasting? And why IM over mainlining it.

Tbh I've no idea why ..I wasn't about to ask . My knowledge of doping practices was non existent at the time. I said nothing and was utterly disgusted that they,d do it front of me without asking if I minded . I wasn't actualy riding the race but had been asked to attend by the manager . I was so ****ed of about it I went for a walk rather than watch the race, a two bob mid week criterium that in my mind was meaningless.

I'm a little out of date here - but good on ya Darryl (for taking that walk).

This is exactly the type of practice Parkin outlines in "A Dog In A Hat". Apparently amphetamines were quite common in those small races. Skin-popping gives a slower and more local effect - like a "time-release". You wouldn't do it intravenous unless you really wanted a quick rush. Snorting gives you a nice quick rush, since it goes almost straight into the bloodstream, but you get nose damage. This is memory from 40+ years ago, but if I remember, skin-pops also lasted longer - and you could control some of how long by where and how deep you injected. Which, if you read "A Dog In a Hat" - fits with what Parkin describes.

They didn't know about Hep C back when Kelly was racing, but that would be a danger with a shared needle. It is also a danger when snorting if there is a shared snort "tube" - the snort tube can get blood contact when in the nose, and that's all it takes.

 

[hiero2]

PMSL.... I suppose it,l go somat like this :

Brailford " Shane , did you ever dope?".... Shane.. " No boss"

Brailford " You never put a needle in ya bum at a criterium in 88 and passed the needle to another rider who then used it to? "

Shane " No Boss"

Brailord " And you never used your then managers urine in a drinks can to pour into the sample jar in a big race in Ireland? "... Shane.. " No Boss"

Brailford. " Thanks Shane..knew I could depend on ya "

This is called " Due diligence"...the Braiford way .

Pretty specific allegations !!!!! . . .

orbeas - thought you might appreciate this link:

Do you mean did I see a certain someone inject just about an hour before a criterium when he knew there was no medical control , then pass the needle to another rider who injected the remainder into his backside direct through his shorts ( I'm not making this up!)...or later in the same year the same guy use a managers urine in a drinks can to pour in to the sample jar to avoid giving his own sample ...and that guy now works as DS for a well known TV broadcasting sponsored team ?.....or that bit of dodgyness was then sussed by the race organisation who,s response was to settle for said rider to pull out of the race and say no more about it.
I really couldn't possibly say ..

 

[Darryl Webster]

2010 Mr " I saw nothing"
"Yates, now 49, was the grizzled old pro and Tour veteran who taught the young Armstrong everything he knew about riding in the peloton with Motorola between 1992-96.
The young Armstrong always made sure that Yates was his room-mate during training and competition and hungrily digested the Tour folklore.
Who would help you? Who would knife you in the back? How do you survive a bad day? Win the Alpe d'Huez stage and you always win the Tour.
How to avoid ice cream or the soft centre of bread for fear of stomach upsets. How you always turned the air-con off in hotels, how you never shaved your legs during competition because the hair growing back would expend energy."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-downfall-of-RadioShacks-Lance-Armstrong.html

 

[cineteq]

Guess what?

 

[Benotti69]

Sean Yates loses job at Sky as Dave Brailsford's doping cull continues
Sean Yates, one of the men who masterminded Bradley Wiggins’ Tour de France victory in July, has left Team Sky after admitting an involvement in doping.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...s-Dave-Brailsfords-doping-cull-continues.html

 

[Cyivel]

I never would have guessed

 

[arjanh]

Sean Yates loses job at Sky as Dave Brailsford's doping cull continues
Sean Yates, one of the men who masterminded Bradley Wiggins’ Tour de France victory in July, has left Team Sky after admitting an involvement in doping.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...s-Dave-Brailsfords-doping-cull-continues.html

Didn't Brailsford work with Millar during his ban? Isn't that an infringement in itself, so shouldn't he fire himself?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Didn't Brailsford work with Millar during his ban? Isn't that an infringement in itself, so shouldn't he fire himself?

They were sitting at the table together when the gendarmerie turned up to nab Millar.

 

[usedtobefast]

i hope everyone is happy! sky suck eggs.

 

[BroDeal]

Sean Yates loses job at Sky as Dave Brailsford's doping cull continues
Sean Yates, one of the men who masterminded Bradley Wiggins’ Tour de France victory in July, has left Team Sky after admitting an involvement in doping.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...s-Dave-Brailsfords-doping-cull-continues.html

Why did they need an interview to figure this out. Yates tested positive. They knew when they hired him.

When does Rogers get his pink slip?

 

[neineinei]

Whaterver Yates and de Johng did, it was a long, long time ago, and noone has seen anything related to doping after 2006.

 

[neineinei]

Why did they need an interview to figure this out. Yates tested positive. They knew when they hired him.

When does Rogers get his pink slip?

Yes, the interesting question is why Sky hired Yates and Leinders, not why they let them go.

 

[skidmark]

Whoa, De Jongh too?

Although I still have serious problems with the zero-tolerance policy and what it encourages people to do, I think I have to retract my previous skepticism about the robustness of the interview process. If it was just a lip-service to appearing anti-doping, I think it would have been easy for anyone to lie about it. But to weed out 3 staff already, who are probably well versed in lying about it by this point, gives me a bit of hope that the process will be effective. If Rogers is turfed (or any rider for that matter), that'll say more about the practice.

Any other guesses as to who'll get fired?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Whoa, De Jongh too?

Although I still have serious problems with the zero-tolerance policy and what it encourages people to do, I think I have to retract my previous skepticism about the robustness of the interview process. If it was just a lip-service to appearing anti-doping, I think it would have been easy for anyone to lie about it. But to weed out 3 staff already, who are probably well versed in lying about it by this point, gives me a bit of hope that the process will be effective. If Rogers is turfed (or any rider for that matter), that'll say more about the practice.

Any other guesses as to who'll get fired?

Has a single rider been sacked yet? Are we expected to believe none of the riders have ever doped?

 

[robow7]

I heard Garmin is having to run off a lot more employee applications than earlier anticipated.

 

[AussieEdge]

Why did they need an interview to figure this out. Yates tested positive. They knew when they hired him.

When does Rogers get his pink slip?

Don't think he will TBH

They will work out who is and isn't replaceable and thus act accordingly

 

[Don Quixote]

Don't think he will TBH

They will work out who is and isn't replaceable and thus act accordingly

The further they go, the further they have to keep going - think about it. How much has it cost them so far?

As far as the sponsor is concerned - this is no PR stunt. If it was considered as such by the team - well, they've made a big error imo.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Whoa, De Jongh too?

Although I still have serious problems with the zero-tolerance policy and what it encourages people to do, I think I have to retract my previous skepticism about the robustness of the interview process. If it was just a lip-service to appearing anti-doping, I think it would have been easy for anyone to lie about it. But to weed out 3 staff already, who are probably well versed in lying about it by this point, gives me a bit of hope that the process will be effective. If Rogers is turfed (or any rider for that matter), that'll say more about the practice.

Any other guesses as to who'll get fired?

The problem with that is, a lot of those guys' histories are pretty out in the open. Yates' involvement with Discovery and Astana and his positive as a rider would get picked up by fans and specialist press, and Sky could never be taken seriously with their comments if they didn't get rid of him.

 

[skidmark]

Has a single rider been sacked yet? Are we expected to believe none of the riders have ever doped?

That's what I mean when I'm saying we'll know more about the process if riders do or don't get fired. They have a lot more to lose, in a sense, because ex-dopers work in a coaching capacity on many teams, and the optics are less harsh for hiring an 'admitted doper' coach than an 'admitted doper' rider. Plus, in the immediate term, it's late in the year, and although I'm sure if Wiggins or even Rogers admitted and got sacked they could pick up a team, for many riders it would be hard for next year. And in a sport where you only have so many peak years, that's a huge incentive to lie.

I'm surprised they even got those 3, but I would be really, really surprised if they got a rider to confess.

 

[ManInFull]

Whoa, De Jongh too?

Although I still have serious problems with the zero-tolerance policy and what it encourages people to do, I think I have to retract my previous skepticism about the robustness of the interview process. If it was just a lip-service to appearing anti-doping, I think it would have been easy for anyone to lie about it. But to weed out 3 staff already, who are probably well versed in lying about it by this point, gives me a bit of hope that the process will be effective. If Rogers is turfed (or any rider for that matter), that'll say more about the practice.

Any other guesses as to who'll get fired?

I would have more faith in Sky's "process" if Wiggins or Froome were fired after their "interviews".

 

[DirtyWorks]

...But to weed out 3 staff already, who are probably well versed in lying about it by this point, gives me a bit of hope that the process will be effective.

Lienders(sp?) should have been the first to go. Still no mention of him.

Yates is tainted. If my memory serves me correctly, Yates' Motorola days should go back to Chris Carmichael and his low-tech doping. That should have been pre-EPO too, so very different times.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Lienders(sp?) should have been the first to go. Still no mention of him.

Yates is tainted. If my memory serves me correctly, Yates' Motorola days should go back to Chris Carmichael and his low-tech doping. That should have been pre-EPO too, so very different times.

Leinders was "released", or his contract not renewed a few weeks ago.