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Fischer Black pace should have been the expectation, and neither Roglic nor Kuss should be happy about FFB trying to pace behind Vingegaard cause that's only gonna end one wayNobody could have predicted that they basically came to a stand still though
Vinegeaard signed a three-year extension in April that binds him to the team until 2027, and you really suggest that he'll credibly threaten to break that contract??I mean, what card does Sepp hold? "I won't ride for either of you in future"? Well, the team still has Benoot, Gesink, Kelderman, Valter, van Aert, Kruijswijk and Foss right now, plus they have Matteo Jorgenson coming. Sepp might be the strongest domestique, but it's not like they will lack if he decides he won't ride as a helper in future, and as a leader he would never be afforded the freedom to gain time unchecked that he was given in this Vuelta again.
UAE had FFB and Almeida. FFB was on a good day and was holding his own against Jonas to a certain extent. Gap was prolly 10-20 at the end of the flat section, so its not completely unreasonable to think (under normal circumstances) that the time gain would be minimal. I think Vingegaard wins no matter what, he was super strong, but UAE really just *** the bed. And to a certain extent Rogla and Sepp too cause they allowed it, but still, they couldn't have expected this in their wildest dreams. That's just hindsight and in all honesty just super unlucky.Fischer Black pace should have been the expectation, and neither Roglic nor Kuss should be happy about FFB trying to pace behind Vingegaard cause that's only gonna end one way
Contracts don't mean jack in pro sport.Vinegeaard signed a three-year extension in April that binds him to the team until 2027, and you really suggest that he'll credibly threaten to break that contract??
1. Tadej Pogačar (UAE Emirates) | €6.0/$6.5 million |
2. Chris Froome (Israel-Premier Tech) | €5.5/$6.0 million |
3. Peter Sagan (TotalEnergies) | €5.5/$6.0 million |
4. Geraint Thomas (Ineos Grenadiers) | €3.5/$3.8 million |
5. Egan Bernal (Ineos Grenadiers) | €2.8/$3.0 million |
6. Remco Evenepoel (Soudal-Quick Step) | €2.5/$2.7 million |
7. Julian Alaphilippe (Soudal-Quick Step) | €2.5/$2.7 million |
8. Richard Carapaz (EF Education-EasyPost) | €2.2/$2.4 million |
9. Wout van Aert (Jumbo-Visma) | €2.2/$2.4 million |
10. Primož Roglič (Jumbo-Visma) | €2.0/$2.2 million |
11. Mathieu van der Poel (Alpecin-Deceuninck) | €2.0/$2.2 million |
12. Adam Yates (UAE Emirates) | €2.0/$2.2 million |
13. Thibaut Pinot (Groupama-FDJ) | €2.0/$2.2 million |
14. Romain Bardet (dsm-firmenich) | €2.0/$2.2 million |
15. Jakob Fuglsang (Israel-Premier Tech) | €2.0/$2.2 million |
And he needs to do and say what exactly?He worked his ass off for those guys for multiple years. Because he rode brilliantly he is now the leader in a GC, something that will be hard to replicate every again (his words). Without him Roglic would have 2 GT's less on his palmares (Vuelta couple of years ago and this years Giro). He's an amazing domestique and now found him in the position to win this Vuelta. I find it weak that for some reason you accept that Vingegaard/Roglic ride you out of that jersey and that win. If Kuss wouldn't finish on the podium, sure, that's fair that they would take over. But that isn't the case. The podium will be only Jumbo. They can decide who will win, and they decided to ride for themselves.
I find it weak that he just accepts this after everything he has done.
I think it only makes sense for him to attack if he’s sure he can drop Vingegaard. If he attacks and gets brought back by his teammates, I think they will take that as a signal indicating “the gloves are off” and everyone is in for themselves.Bravo Sepp. Held up beautifully and kept the leaders jersey on Angliru. Don't be afraid to attack first, on remaining stages, as the other two will for sure attack too And happy birthday.
Contracts don't mean jack in pro sport.
So the domestique is paid more than Vingegaard to be the stable climber domestique. You know the job; don't crash on flat stages, mail in the TT and blow up any opponents in the mountains. When a 3 week strategy relies on knowing every rider's capabilities a DS can plan and the guys paid to win better do their job. That job isn't being a 2 week domestique for a great teammate that may not survive after ridiing two prior GTs. It looks like Sepp can but that hindsight is still not assured until tomorrow.He worked his ass off for those guys for multiple years. Because he rode brilliantly he is now the leader in a GC, something that will be hard to replicate every again (his words). Without him Roglic would have 2 GT's less on his palmares (Vuelta couple of years ago and this years Giro). He's an amazing domestique and now found him in the position to win this Vuelta. I find it weak that for some reason you accept that Vingegaard/Roglic ride you out of that jersey and that win. If Kuss wouldn't finish on the podium, sure, that's fair that they would take over. But that isn't the case. The podium will be only Jumbo. They can decide who will win, and they decided to ride for themselves.
I find it weak that he just accepts this after everything he has done.
I think you’re right; I meant if Kuss attacks, and his two teammates are able to follow, then they are likely to attack him in turn@Sciatic
In my opinion nobody will really chase down JV three musketeers on this race anymore. It's in between them now. To sort it out.
Who knows?? If he were on another team maybe TJV would be in disarray because of having mr. nice guy in red Jonas and Rog would just be attacking each other while Sepp was bringing a rival to the finishIf he were on another team do you think this situation would exist?
Internally he should open his mouth and say he deserves this, that he needs this. They will never find a domestique as good as him. Everyone keeps saying that it doesn’t matter who wins as long as it’s someone from the team. The public, the peloton wants Kuss to win. What’s the problem then? Only the ego from Vingegaard and RoglicAnd he needs to do and say what exactly?
He can't go publicly against them, cause it would pissed his bosses, and he isn't such big factor in the team.
Why should they?You are forgetting the bosses. I doubt Jonas or Primož would act on their own if they were told not to. JV bosses should tell them all they are riding for Sepp now, period. Both Jonas and Primož proved they could win it. They got stage wins. Everybody knows they are better then Sepp head to head. But Sepp is in red, he proved he can hang in there, he deserved it. So JV bosses should lay down the law. But looks like they didn't, because THEY would prefer Jonas in red.