Sergio Henao

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hrotha said:
Under investigation by his employer. Same thing.

Isn't it only the same thing if his employer is actually qualified to investigate the issue? I really can't see how they would be, and asking why UCI/Wada seem to be fine with the whole mess seems like a fair question. It's easy enough to talk about compensation if/when he is cleared, but I'd imagine that it's pretty damn hard to figure out a fair value for missing out a major part of the season and the overall PR mess.
 
As a matter of principle the UCI is supportive of teams pursuing a policy of closely monitoring their athletes. If a team has any concerns, then the appropriate course of action may well be to withdraw the rider from its race schedule whilst it continues investigations.

That is the UCI's official position.
 
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Catwhoorg said:
That is the UCI's official position.

Guess that sort of explains it. Doesn't make any sense to me really, but things in cycling rarely do. Seems like quite a challenge for a cycling team to further investigate an (non-)issue with the bio-passport run by the authorities on their own.
 
romnom said:
Guess that sort of explains it. Doesn't make any sense to me really, but things in cycling rarely do. Seems like quite a challenge for a cycling team to further investigate an (non-)issue with the bio-passport run by the authorities on their own.

The bio-passport is not a black box. *Everything* about the tests known. Sky needs someone sufficiently trained to assess the test results knowing the details of the test itself and translate all that for management.

Whatever test was run made Sky do a triple-take at the score. Was it because it was a suspicious-near-positive? Positive, but the UCI not opening a case? Nobody is willing to share that information.

For the determined cheater not protected by their sports federation, the bio-passport is a battery of tests that has all the answers published.

A positive way to look at it is a determined doper will have a harder time killing themselves with some extreme doping protocol. A negative way to look at it is doping is okay up to IOC/WADA limits. We know the dopers are 24+ months ahead of WADA, so it's not doping if it's not detected.
 
The standard for a bio passport flag is said to be 99.9% confidence.


If you as an employer had say 95-99% confidence an employee was up to no good, wouldn't that be grounds for an internal investigation?
 
Catwhoorg said:
The standard for a bio passport flag is said to be 99.9% confidence.


If you as an employer had say 95-99% confidence an employee was up to no good, wouldn't that be grounds for an internal investigation?

It doesn't mean one would be opened. And we know the UCI doesn't open cases on easy positives. We know harder to defend positives are left unsanctioned. We also know the UCI chases some suspicious profiles all over the world, even into retirement!

Don't misunderstand my opinion. I'm not saying it was a positive. He could really actually be clean-ish. He's got the lower-ranked results to support that. Just be aware that there are lots(!!!) of opportunities for no case to be opened.
 
DirtyWorks said:
The bio-passport is not a black box. *Everything* about the tests known. Sky needs someone sufficiently trained to assess the test results knowing the details of the test itself and translate all that for management.

Whatever test was run made Sky do a triple-take at the score. Was it because it was a suspicious-near-positive? Positive, but the UCI not opening a case? Nobody is willing to share that information.


What comes up time and time again is the lack of transparency about rider's tests whether it is the UCI, the team, the owner of the team, the NGB, the NADA etc.

I do not understand why Sky just doesn't tell us what happened - details and specifics, for e.g. "An out of competition test on Henao's haematocrit level was conducted on such and such a day by (whoever) and the results were .... and we are investigating this matter to determine the facts and if he is in any violation of WADA rules. In the meantime Henao will not be competing for Sky and we will advise you about the details of our investigation when it is completed" - or something like this!

How difficult is that?

Yet time and time again riders, teams, owners, NGBs, NADAs and the UCI prevaricate and pu$$y foot around damaging the reputation of cycling because it leaves the rest of us in the dark resulting in massive speculation keeping the Clinic roiling with conjecture, hypothesis, supposition, surmise and theory.

(Of course that is why we love the Clinic - it allows us to procrastinate from life's more important business, with endless speculation, LOL)

Once and for all, the UCI needs to make it a rule that all Pro Teams weekly provide publicly the in and out of competition test results (Haematocrit levels, haemoglobin levels, urine results etc.), TUE applications etc. of all its riders on the UCI website.

As an example, as much as I think USADA has done a good job on the LA conspiracy case, why can they not give us an update as to the status of the Bruyneel et al hearing? Why can we not get access to the submissions made by either side? Why do we have to speculate as to the issues? Why is there no status update on the USADA website? And if they don't provide us with the details of the arbitrators ruling and reasons, then they will lose some of the ground they gained by publishing the LA Reasoned Decision.

The secrecy of the agencies responsible for cycling and doping are damaging their credibility and as a result damaging cycling and causing the rest of us to have no faith in the process.
 
RobbieCanuck said:
The secrecy of the agencies responsible for cycling and doping are damaging their credibility and as a result damaging cycling and causing the rest of us to have no faith in the process.

Absolutely agree. But the IOC is not particularly opposed to doping. It makes for A NEW WORLD RECORD!!!!! every four years. One of their former presidents argued for limited doping. Hein definitely was/is(??) never particularly opposed to doping. They are all opposed to doping controversy though...

The current system looks pretty complicated to defeat to the disinterested sports viewer. That is how everyone likes it.
 
RobbieCanuck said:
DirtyWorks said:
The bio-passport is not a black box. *Everything* about the tests known. Sky needs someone sufficiently trained to assess the test results knowing the details of the test itself and translate all that for management.

Whatever test was run made Sky do a triple-take at the score. Was it because it was a suspicious-near-positive? Positive, but the UCI not opening a case? Nobody is willing to share that information.


What comes up time and time again is the lack of transparency about rider's tests whether it is the UCI, the team, the owner of the team, the NGB, the NADA etc.

I do not understand why Sky just doesn't tell us what happened - details and specifics, for e.g. "An out of competition test on Henao's haematocrit level was conducted on such and such a day by (whoever) and the results were .... and we are investigating this matter to determine the facts and if he is in any violation of WADA rules. In the meantime Henao will not be competing for Sky and we will advise you about the details of our investigation when it is completed" - or something like this!

How difficult is that?

Yet time and time again riders, teams, owners, NGBs, NADAs and the UCI prevaricate and pu$$y foot around damaging the reputation of cycling because it leaves the rest of us in the dark resulting in massive speculation keeping the Clinic roiling with conjecture, hypothesis, supposition, surmise and theory.

(Of course that is why we love the Clinic - it allows us to procrastinate from life's more important business, with endless speculation, LOL)

Once and for all, the UCI needs to make it a rule that all Pro Teams weekly provide publicly the in and out of competition test results (Haematocrit levels, haemoglobin levels, urine results etc.), TUE applications etc. of all its riders on the UCI website.

As an example, as much as I think USADA has done a good job on the LA conspiracy case, why can they not give us an update as to the status of the Bruyneel et al hearing? Why can we not get access to the submissions made by either side? Why do we have to speculate as to the issues? Why is there no status update on the USADA website? And if they don't provide us with the details of the arbitrators ruling and reasons, then they will lose some of the ground they gained by publishing the LA Reasoned Decision.

The secrecy of the agencies responsible for cycling and doping are damaging their credibility and as a result damaging cycling and causing the rest of us to have no faith in the process.

Right to privacy, employment law, right to a fair trial etc, etc.
 
gmedina said:
Not yet, he is still training in it in Colombia: http://instagram.com/p/nCOLu-wvoK/ (posted by Rigo, about 14hrs ago)

Also, is that wiggins in the pic?

And I hope Henao is back for La Vuelta, or even Le Tour

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Edit: I think that might be Zandio.
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In the replies they say is Zandio.
 

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gmedina said:
Not yet, he is still training in it in Colombia: http://instagram.com/p/nCOLu-wvoK/ (posted by Rigo, about 14hrs ago)

Also, is that wiggins in the pic?

And I hope Henao is back for La Vuelta, or even Le Tour

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Edit: I think that might be Zandio.

With the beard? Nope, not Wiggins - hair too dark, and too stocky. Nose might possibly be right.
 
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hfer07 said:
The bearded guy in question is none other than Oliver Cookson, the son of UCI president Bryan Cookson & Team Sky's Performance Assistant.

Is he assisting Henao on his case?

Huh. So the son of the uci president is the performance assistant for sky? Cycling never fails to amaze me. Get rid of one nepotism sess pool only to be replaced with another.
 
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hfer07 said:
The bearded guy in question is none other than Oliver Cookson, the son of UCI president Bryan Cookson & Team Sky's Performance Assistant.

Is he assisting Henao on his case?

Is that really true?

Well then we can be sure that the Henao case is in good hands and that the truth will come out. :rolleyes:
 

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ralphbert said:
Huh. So the son of the uci president is the performance assistant for sky? Cycling never fails to amaze me. Get rid of one nepotism sess pool only to be replaced with another.

Well if you had read any of the other threads you'll know that he worked for Sky long long before Cookson became UCI President.

And is it strange for people from the same family to be involved in the same business (in this case sport) - errr no, happens all the time.
 

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hfer07 said:
The bearded guy in question is none other than Oliver Cookson, the son of UCI president Bryan Cookson & Team Sky's Performance Assistant.

Is he assisting Henao on his case?

Can I ask how you know this or can say it is. The only other photos I have seen of OC are like this:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...422349_image_list_image_list_item_0_image.jpg

or this

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00164/88038933_water_164666c.jpg

I'm not saying it isn't him but are you sure it is him?
 
things are not so bad for Henao by the look of it.
pics of him, his team mate and brother, and another Sky guy, all in Sky kit training at home.
if Team Sky advised them not to have pics taken, that would be serious.
instead we have this nice shot.
If you think how JTL disappeared from any Sky pictures and website, or how (taking another team as exmple) Hesjedal was nowhere to be seen for months last autumn,..
I think we'll see Sergio coming soon back to racing
 

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pastronef said:
things are not so bad for Henao by the look of it.
pics of him, his team mate and brother, and another Sky guy, all in Sky kit training at home.
if Team Sky advised them not to have pics taken, that would be serious.
instead we have this nice shot.
If you think how JTL disappeared from any Sky pictures and website, or how (taking another team as exmple) Hesjedal was nowhere to be seen for months last autumn,..
I think we'll see Sergio coming soon back to racing

There is a bit of a difference with JTL and SH. JTL was sidelined by the UCI and (I guess) has had a case opened that could result in a ban. SH has been sidelined by his own team because they weren't happy with one/some of the test parameters. Apparently not something that was out of kilter for the UCI, but was for SKY.

I think that even if JTL is cleared he's toast when it comes to his Sky contract.
 
Justinr said:
There is a bit of a difference with JTL and SH. JTL was sidelined by the UCI and (I guess) has had a case opened that could result in a ban. SH has been sidelined by his own team because they weren't happy with one/some of the test parameters. Apparently not something that was out of kilter for the UCI, but was for SKY.

I think that even if JTL is cleared he's toast when it comes to his Sky contract.

I was just noticing that something was out of kilter for Sky, but the situation, even for the team, should not be too serious. He keeps training and posting pictures. I am happy for him, and look forward to see him racing again.