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Freddythefrog said:
Gallagher missed my favourite moment in the doco.
BMW is in yellow and on the verge of winning the
Tour and his wife Cath says "Don't tell anyone, but
I like the track better." Brilliant, Cath, brilliant!:)

My next favourite moment was one Gallagher did
mention. After hearing Kerrison saying BMW's 30
minute power numbers are up from 2011, Sutto
replies "Pity the bloody tour isn't half an hour."
Great stuff, from a great coach who knows there
is more to cycling than numbers.
 
Sorry, my error. I should have searched the site first.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/2001/nov01/nov12news.php

Welsh Cycling Union publicity officer resigns over doping affair

Gregory cited a "recent drugs hearing and the BCF's complicity and attempted coercion of the WCU executive into following their line on this matter."

"The actions of the BCF in not only the WCU case, but that of two World track riders and others causes me great concern as to the genuine and concerted effort to stamp out drug taking in sport, those that seek to soften any penalty are both guilty in condoning drugs in sport."

I think Gregory's words ring true about the last 20 years of (in)action by all those who have put themselves in positions where they adjudicate.

I believe there was subsequent spinning away from this incident. The BOA had evidence put in front of them that caused them to lift their ban and Winn rode at an Olympics post this event. Those are facts.

However as to whether it was the "contaminated meat/oral sex with his pregnant wife/dietary supplement/......insert whatever is to hand.....", that is another matter.
 
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Rogers gone from Sky. So that leaves the Sutton liability. For now. As we haven't even talked about other Sky members who could become a liability any time, eg CJ, and aside from Froome, JTL, etc, not to re-mention Wiggo himself of course. Shane who lives above the bikeshop, dries his washing in the kitchen on a rack and seems to not care about money or trappings. Or OBE's. Motivated only by personal success as a coach. Good on him.

Will be hard for Brailsford to let him go. Could become a real problem. So far has been able to play naive, "didn't know any of this past stuff", but can't do that with Shane no longer. Running out of poker hand. Many questions/rumors, need to be transparent to the media/fans how to conclude this one. Cannot NOT ask Shane the hard questions anymore.

So has Shane got a clean history or not? That is the Sky policy, that is the question. As team head coach the fans deserve to hear the conclusion. Not have it linger on, and debated here in The Clinic at nauseam by crackpots...
 
British Cycling respond to Vic Gregory's claims

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/2001/nov01/nov13news.php

By Jeff Jones

The statements of former Welsh Cycling Union publicity officer Vic Gregory in relation to an anti-doping case (see Monday News) have attracted a detailed response from British Cycling and the WCU. Gregory was concerned with the BCF's actions over doping cases involving Julian Winn and "two other World track riders", claiming that they "coerced" the WCU into softening Winn's penalty.

However the BCF and WCU strongly dispute Gregory's claims, in particular the other (unnamed) riders who also tested positive during the Tour of Guadeloupe and "Two World track riders. As we have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of those, perhaps he [Gregory] will kindly provide the media and the Federation with the details so that action can be taken," reads the BCF statement issued on November 12.

The BCF reacted to Mr Gregory's stance on "soft" banned substances, saying that they are working with the UCI and IOC definitions of these. "The Federation and the Union are bound by the Anti-Doping Regulations which advise how such findings should be treated. We are fully committed in the war against those who cheat through the misuse of drugs in cycling, but not to the extent that we issue harsh punishment to those who unknowingly and genuinely make a mistake."

As stated yesterday, Winn tested positive for Ephedrine after the Bynea Road Race on September 9, 2001. He was subsequently disqualified from the even and given a 3 month suspension.

In an earlier BCF statement (November 7) it was revealed "the banned substance came from a dietary supplement (Slim Right Peak Performance) which failed to mention on the container label, or in any of the Company's U.K. advertising material, that the product contained "Ma Huang", which is also known as Chinese Ephedrine."

The substance has now been withdrawn from the market and the "Welsh Cycling Union accepted that in this case the banned substance had been taken unknowingly. In view of this and Winn's unblemished record...the WCU decided to defer the suspension for a period of two years subject to the competitor remaining free from any further doping offence. Winn has agreed to take part in ongoing anti-doping awareness education and training conducted by the Union."

"The BCF also disqualified Winn from the International Tour of Guadeloupe where tests revealed the same finding. As the offences were within a very short period of each other and involved the same levels of Ephedrine, the British Cycling Federation agreed that they should be treated as one as is provided for in UCI and BCF Anti-Doping Regulations."

Winn is reported by the BBC to be "absolutely devastated by the finding...It was probably the most depressing time I've ever had in my life." He aims to continue cycling in preparation for next year's Commonwealth Games.

There was a further case mentioned by the BCF involving 17 year old Tim Brammeier of Childwall, Liverpool who was found positive after the National Junior Track Series Finale at Manchester on September 22, 2001. He tested positive for phenylpropanolamine, an ingredient in a cold tablet that he had taken on the day of the event. He was disqualified from the competition and given a 3 month suspension, which was deferred for three years after the source of the drug was found.

The BCF November 7 statement concludes with a comment that "Whilst a lenient view has been taken, this will not be repeated since both Governing Bodies are determined to deal firmly with any competitor who cheats through the misuse of drugs in cycle racing. Doping offences in cycling are subject to "strict liability", in other words the presence of the banned substance is an offence regardless of how it came to be present in the competitor's sample. Future cases of the type involving Winn and Brammeier will receive full sentences now that competitors have been reminded of the real need to check all medicines and supplements before use. For enquiries, the British Federation may be reached at 01536 483695 or gensec@britishcycling.org.uk."

The BCF November 12 statement finally addresses Vic Gregory's claim that the BCF had coerced the WCU into easing Winn's penalty, believing that the "cases have been dealt with in a fair and proper manner, with advice being offered without any coercion. In fact the WCU invited the Federation to send an adviser to Winn's hearing and the BCF representative was not even present when the WCU Executive Board made its final decision."

The Anti-Doping Unit of UK Sport which conducted the tests said that "it is fantastic to see Governing Bodies adopting a common-sense approach and making the most of the educational opportunity associated with a finding, rather than just brushing it under the carpet."

Contrast this British doping affair with a recent example in Sweden, where one of the country's top cyclists, Niclas Axelsson, publicly admitted to taking EPO before the World Championships in Lisbon. This earned him an instant dismissal from his team (Alessio) and a probable two year ban from the Swedish Sports Federation. For the 29 year old, it may be the end of his career.

EPO is considered a more serious drug than Ephedrine, but Axelsson's two year penalty that will come from the Swedes is far greater than the UCI penalty of 6 months. In Sweden, doping of any sort is quite serious - to the extent that anyone breaking the rules deliberately or inadvertently finds it almost impossible to continue in the sport, even after a penalty is served.

In some cases, the doping rules can be viewed as too harsh. The obvious example being Jonathan Vaughters abandoning the 2001 Tour de France after he was stung by a wasp, but wasn't allowed to treat it with cortisone. Had he claimed cortisone for "medicinal purposes" before the race, then it would have been OK. Of course, he didn't know he was going to be stung...

There are numerous examples of cyclists and athletes in other sports testing positive for banned substances by accident, most commonly in cough medicines (where the ingredients are listed) and in dietary supplements (where they are not in some cases). In all cases, the athlete is still responsible for what they take and are solely liable under the rules. How those rules are implemented depends very much on the circumstances and the country's sporting laws.
 
Rumours of positive tests in Guadeloupe are obviously just that. It's a typical French race where foreigners are tested, the locals less so. If the GB team that rode 2 years previously did have a positive, the news would have been released by the French. No way would BC have been able to stop that.

Rumours are just that, rumours and so far no one has been able to come up with anything more than a rumour over either the Winn test or anything on Sutton.

Cycling seems to be a race situation where there is lots of smoke without a fire.
 
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bobbins said:
Rumours of positive tests in Guadeloupe are obviously just that. It's a typical French race where foreigners are tested, the locals less so. If the GB team that rode 2 years previously did have a positive, the news would have been released by the French. No way would BC have been able to stop that.

Rumours are just that, rumours and so far no one has been able to come up with anything more than a rumour over either the Winn test or anything on Sutton.

Cycling seems to be a race situation where there is lots of smoke without a fire.

au contraire.

Maybe you missed USADA's investigation, Festina scandal, Op Puerto, Op Padova etc etc

seems to me that there were lots of and still are fires burning away.
 
Benotti69 said:
au contraire.

Maybe you missed USADA's investigation, Festina scandal, Op Puerto, Op Padova etc etc

seems to me that there were lots of and still are fires burning away.

Yes! Sad day when we say cycling is a victim of too much rumor mungering!

If these guys would stop transfusing the blood of their pets and microdosing we might believe them when they say they're innocent.

In cycling when there's smoke generally there's an inferno!
 
We need a little more proof than a rumour though. Can you see BC reviewing the case and deciding that actually it was a deliberate effort by Winn to use a supplement containing ephedrine and he was lucky enough to find one without it listed on the contents? Is ephedrine even still banned now?
 
Shane Sutton

Does anyone think that Brailsford will get ride of Shane Sutton !!! They are joined at the hip and go back to the 80's when Sutton used to train here in North Wales..
Several people have quoted instances of his doping in the 80's - he says 'never failed a dope test' so who is Brailsford going to believe ????.
Think Sky are only going to get ride of the EPO generation !!
 
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bobbins said:
We need a little more proof than a rumour though. Can you see BC reviewing the case and deciding that actually it was a deliberate effort by Winn to use a supplement containing ephedrine and he was lucky enough to find one without it listed on the contents? Is ephedrine even still banned now?

The answer to your question is a resounding yes. Ephedrine has been banned for years now. Years. Shouldn't be but it is. Should be a TUE exemption for legitimate reasons. But there is the problem. A decade ago almost every cyclist had a TUE for something, most were cortisone or some puffer for breathing issues. Hence why the WADA code doesn't leave much room. People abused simple privileges when they can, especially in pro sports. They still do.
 
Basecase said:
Hard to believe the plaudits given to Shane Sutton on tonight's SPOTY - says alot for British cycling, team Sky and British sport in general

Ffs it's an award ceremony; the sporting Luvvies, back slapping all round. Hard to believe you would find this hard to believe. Says a lot about you and where you are coming from.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
Ffs it's an award ceremony; the sporting Luvvies, back slapping all round. Hard to believe you would find this hard to believe. Says a lot about you and where you are coming from.

I was expecting Wiggo to "out" the lot of them in his speech. Instead, he cracks a few jokes, thanks the team and promises not to swear.

What on earth did he think he was doing?
 
Very disappointing situation at Sky. A lot of organization change but not many answers.

The entire Tour winning team has been gutted with no explanation.

The truth seeps to the top. Always does.

I've never trusted Sutton. Things I heard about him from my track days were not good.

Mean guy as well.

Anyway it's a new year and a new Sky team! :)
 
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sniper said:
one family.
the internal infrastructure remains the same. just changing offices.

comparable to how Garmin 'got rid of' Matt White by stalling him at Greenedge.

I knew that several changes in the track admin were coming in this new year and I know why.
So, this comes as zero surprise to me.

I see that the Hog has being showing once again, that he knows squat about the subject.
 
thehog said:
Very disappointing situation at Sky. A lot of organization change but not many answers.

The entire Tour winning team has been gutted with no explanation.

The truth seeps to the top. Always does.

I've never trusted Sutton. Things I heard about him from my track days were not good.

Mean guy as well.

Anyway it's a new year and a new Sky team! :)

You proves you know squat, once again.
 
Shane Sutton

Is now a 'trouble shooter' at Sky

and Brailsfords new bodyguard!!!

Is amazing how a rider can win races doped up and move up the ladder in the cycling world just by cheating..

then when people start to tell stories from the 80's he comes out Lance type remarks ' over hundred dope tests never failed one'.

Cannot believe British Cycling have not investigated the claims ???
 
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orbeas said:
Is now a 'trouble shooter' at Sky

and Brailsfords new bodyguard!!!

Is amazing how a rider can win races doped up and move up the ladder in the cycling world just by cheating..

then when people start to tell stories from the 80's he comes out Lance type remarks ' over hundred dope tests never failed one'.

Cannot believe British Cycling have not investigated the claims ???

Britain is the new Spain.
 
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orbeas said:
Is now a 'trouble shooter' at Sky

and Brailsfords new bodyguard!!!

Is amazing how a rider can win races doped up and move up the ladder in the cycling world just by cheating..

then when people start to tell stories from the 80's he comes out Lance type remarks ' over hundred dope tests never failed one'.

Cannot believe British Cycling have not investigated the claims ???

Why would they want to open a can of worms?

They are getting Knighthoods FFS
 
orbeas said:
Is now a 'trouble shooter' at Sky

and Brailsfords new bodyguard!!!

Is amazing how a rider can win races doped up and move up the ladder in the cycling world just by cheating..

then when people start to tell stories from the 80's he comes out Lance type remarks ' over hundred dope tests never failed one'.

Cannot believe British Cycling have not investigated the claims ???

He's not Brailsfords bodyguard, I think that title belongs to Fran Millar ;)

Which races did he win doped?
 

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