Shane Sutton - Team Sky coach

[sniper]

I think you might be over-selling yourself just a little bit there.

again you're underestimating brailsford et al.
he'd be dumb not to have trolls check in here to read, learn, and distort.

 

[Joachim]

You think?

I'm pretty sure he has more important things to do. It isn't as if this little infinitessimally small corner of the internet is important. I'm amazed that you think it is.

Who are his trolls distorting on here?

 

[the sceptic]

again you're underestimating brailsford et al.
he'd be dumb not to have trolls check in here to read, learn, and distort.

subtle

 

[dolophonic]

Yes, and there is every chance it won't be anything like as dramatic as your speculations

but at the same token it could be even bigger....

 

[The Hitch]

The predominant view here maybe, but that is a very small self-selecting sample. Even Ashenden refers to 'pockets of doping' rather than wholesale.

No the predominant view in the world. The only time.the tour de France ever makes the news is when someone gets caught on drugs
now even lance the one name and hero that anyone had ever heard of was confirmed as a dope and people.heard all these nice.figures about how 20.of.the 23 podiums was doped etc.

In popular culture if cycling is ever mentioned its jokes about drugs. Even qi did a segment on the tour and it was about the different ways everyone cheated in the first tour followed by a joke about how vino used other peoples blood. ( or no.joke, people just found it funny).

The first thing that comes to.the.mind.of.anyone who isn't a fan when they hear about the tour is- drugs.

 

[johnsiviour]

You think?

I'm pretty sure he has more important things to do. It isn't as if this little infinitessimally small corner of the internet is important. I'm amazed that you think it is.

Who are his trolls distorting on here?

Important? Maybe not.
Interesting/informative? Quite likely.
Forum postings have been referenced by JV, used by CN for stories and seemingly referred to by LA.

IMO likely that Dave has at least a general awareness of Clinic content.

Even minute corners have information of interest...that IS the nature of the Web.

 

[will10]

Everybody knows from cycling that the risks are in fact extremely small.
Even wrt Lance, omerta worked for him for 10+ years.
Landis was an extreme case. It would have been relatively easy to keep him under control. Lance could have been partying till it's 1999 if he had been just a tiny bit cleverer wrt Floyd.

I agree. Look at Indurain. Made friends, kept teammates close, kept his head down. Where's his reasoned decision?

Actually, reminds me a little of Contador's position in the peloton at the moment. Wonder why.

 

[Joachim]

Contador got busted despite the best efforts of his national federation and the UCI to bury it.

This isn't the '90s

 

[will10]

You think?

I'm pretty sure he has more important things to do. It isn't as if this little infinitessimally small corner of the internet is important. I'm amazed that you think it is.

Who are his trolls distorting on here?

There's a story which has been all over the media today: Lance is going on Oprah. Where did that idea first originate? The clinic. Say no more.



(disclaimer: this is a joke.)

 

[Benotti69]

again you're underestimating brailsford et al.
he'd be dumb not to have trolls check in here to read, learn, and distort.

all part of his huge focus on the details, marginal gains etc....

If JV is in here to check the temperature of fans and their knowledge you can be sure Sky bots are in here too.

 

[Joachim]

You shouldn't have put that disclaimer in. Most of the posters here would have believed you

 

[Benotti69]

I agree. Look at Indurain. Made friends, kept teammates close, kept his head down. Where's his reasoned decision?

Actually, reminds me a little of Contador's position in the peloton at the moment. Wonder why.

It seems Wiggins wont learn from Indurain and appears to be following a path not to dissimilar to Armstrong with aggression and insults the reply to hard questions.

 

[Joachim]

all part of his huge focus on the details, marginal gains etc....

If JV is in here to check the temperature of fans and their knowledge you can be sure Sky bots are in here too.

I think you'll find JV has no intention of coming back to The Clinic.

Wonder why

 

[Darryl Webster]

As far as I can tell, the only former rider making accusations is one with a mental problem who by the sounds of things written on various forums seems to blame his own problems on others.

The mail didn't print anything so can't have proof.

This seems to be a load of hot air. Anyone got any specifics?

Care to define " a mental problem"? What would these " problems " be that you speek of?.
Seems your spouting of a rather subjective view based on nothing you actualy know about. If your who I suspect you are your bias is pefectly understandable..

I guess your converse with the uk having perhaps the most draconian libel
laws in the western press?..ergo the Mail,s Nick Constable had to dance around the names involved including those others who provided further experience of the alleged miscreants miss deeds ...but you know all this.
Never mind ..truth always outs in the end.. Happy trolling.

 

[biker jk]

Even Ashenden refers to 'pockets of doping' rather than wholesale.

Yes, "pockets of doping". Here's what Ashenden really believes rather than your spurious claim.

“The reality is that one third of podium finishers since 2008 have been tainted by doping in one form or another. I just don’t get how anyone can see that as anything but a terrible indictment,” he said.

“I can’t think of any other federation who would be claiming their sport was in good shape if one third of their recent champions were tainted by doping.”

 

[Joachim]

Yes, "pockets of doping". Here's what Ashenden really believes rather than your spurious claim.

It isn't my claim, if is Ashenden's own words. Take it up with him if you think it is spurious

 

[martinvickers]

No the predominant view in the world.

I think you are rather conflating the 'view of the world' and the 'the view of the UK's media'. I don't think QI is exactly a barometer of world opinion.

In most of the UK Merckx is a marginal figure, and Coppi is what you do on a Xerox - that's not an ailment everywhere.

 

[martinvickers]

the sky-accusations are already there, and they're not less serious than the ones Lance/USPS was facing in 1999.
Lance 1999 had the cortisone pos to explain, Sky 2012 have Leinders to explain.

but imo you're still grossly underestimating brailsford and Sky. You really think they're gonna let things escalate the way Lance, Hog and UCI did? Of course you don't. Brailsford must have learned something from the Lance case.

You think Brailsford is more intelligent than Bruyneel?

 

[bobbins]

Care to define " a mental problem"? What would these " problems " be that you speek of?.
Seems your spouting of a rather subjective view based on nothing you actualy know about. If your who I suspect you are your bias is pefectly understandable..

I guess your converse with the uk having perhaps the most draconian libel
laws in the western press?..ergo the Mail,s Nick Constable had to dance around the names involved including those others who provided further experience of the alleged miscreants miss deeds ...but you know all this.
Never mind ..truth always outs in the end.. Happy trolling.

Didn't you have a breakdown?

If the allegations are true, it isn't libel.

You can't go round blaming others for your failure without proof. This is getting ridiculous. I'm all for dopers and cheats being exposed and got rid of but it seems to be taking a turn for the hysterical when anyone who has wronged someone else can be accused without foundation.

Remember the Suns campaign against Paedophiles that resulted in Paedeotricians being attacked?

 

[coinneach]

Didn't you have a breakdown?

If the allegations are true, it isn't libel.

You can't go round blaming others for your failure without proof. This is getting ridiculous. I'm all for dopers and cheats being exposed and got rid of but it seems to be taking a turn for the hysterical when anyone who has wronged someone else can be accused without foundation.

Remember the Suns campaign against Paedophiles that resulted in Paedeotricians being attacked?

Does "having a breakdown" mean your views no longer count?
Having a breakdown might be the only way to cope with the mad world around you.
Personal attacks like this smack of the Lance tactics....I had thought better of you, Bobbins

 

[thehog]

Didn't you have a breakdown?

If the allegations are true, it isn't libel.

You can't go round blaming others for your failure without proof. This is getting ridiculous. I'm all for dopers and cheats being exposed and got rid of but it seems to be taking a turn for the hysterical when anyone who has wronged someone else can be accused without foundation.

Remember the Suns campaign against Paedophiles that resulted in Paedeotricians being attacked?

Bobbins cool your jests. You look ridiculous. Back off.

And bringing child molesation into he equation is Lance 101.

Sutton's history is well known by many. It's no revelation that he was involved in doping and administering dope to junior cyclists.

Man up and act responsible about what's occurred instead of trying to be Lance Armstrong.

Regardless what's the big secret about Sutton and doping? It's very well known.

 

[Tinman]

Bobbins you are a nasty piece of work. Your first smear post was ignored so you had another go. Your tactics smack of the team Lance approach ie. discredit the source at all cost.

Shame on you, you have no right to be taken seriously here, in fact you ought to be perma banned.

As far as I can tell, the only former rider making accusations is one with a mental problem who by the sounds of things written on various forums seems to blame his own problems on others.

Didn't you have a breakdown?

 

[Darryl Webster]

Didn't you have a breakdown?

If the allegations are true, it isn't libel.

You can't go round blaming others for your failure without proof. This is getting ridiculous. I'm all for dopers and cheats being exposed and got rid of but it seems to be taking a turn for the hysterical when anyone who has wronged someone else can be accused without foundation.

Remember the Suns campaign against Paedophiles that resulted in Paedeotricians being attacked?

Ah, so having a breakdown, something many, many, people in a lifetime will endure that was totally unrelated to anything to do with cycling invalidates my experiences does it?. Strange world you inhabit.
" if the allegations are true , it isn't libel"... interesting..I'm sure your aware of Armstrongs successful suing of The Times... how did that pan out regards the truth eh?.

 

[del1962]

I think a lot of things have changed since 1999, which make an LA scam less likely to pull off, the much greater use of the internet being one of them.

If team sky where doping in 2012 i have no doubt credible evidence will appear fairly quickly, however I don't think they were so I am not worried about it.

As far as Sutton's past goes, I have no idea and will presume innocent until credible evidence against him emerges, at which point I am sure he would have to leave Team Sky.

 

[Parrulo]

hey let's cool it down every1.

i am not particularly up to date with this thread, sorry for that, but what does bobbins means with the "didn't you have a breakdown?" part? it sounds like a dig at Darryl Webster, but some insight would be appreciated