Shane Sutton - Team Sky coach

[Benotti69]

No, Benotti, it shows where he stands on his dad. you know that.

No he was asked about Kimmage and Walsh's, his reply was "he never met Walsh and Kimmage was bitter and that he doesn’t like the sport of cycling".

 

[martinvickers]

No he was asked about Kimmage and Walsh's, his reply was "he never met Walsh and Kimmage was bitter and that he doesn’t like the sport of cycling".

I am well aware of the quote. I'm also aware of the back story. He may never have met Walsh. His dad did. Very famously on the Late Late*. There's Youtube of it, it's seminal in Irish broadcasting and Irish sport. And Kimmage and his father's fall out, on similar grounds, was pretty well known throughout Ireland, even outside the fraternity.

Roche Óg is no angel, but I wouldn't assume his antipathy for Walsh and Kimmage is about cycling so much as about family. And as I said, Roche-séan was not exactly subtle in his 'hints' to Nici.

Neither you nor I have any 'actual' evidence, of course - this is basically guilt by personality we're talking - but knowing Roche Mór's attitude and comments to Roche óg, that's my hunch for what it's worth.

(*Of course, they actually knew each other for years, but this was a seminal broadcasting moment)

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Not to be an a@@hole but what a@@hole who doped in his third carreer on Carrera and was on the Conconi list would want to let his son get involved in pro-cycling?
In this climate?

Please.

 

[martinvickers]

Not to be an a@@hole but what a@@hole who doped in his third carreer on Carrera and was on the Conconi list would want to let his son get involved in pro-cycling?
In this climate?

Please.

As I said, Roche was in the border of the badlands - most people i know who love bikes forgive Merckx, forgive Kelly, forgive Fignon (I can't do that, but I understand it)

The same people, quite rightly Hate Armstrong, hate Riis, and the whole EPO era.

and Roche? Lots of furrowed brows and 'hmmms' - was he really the end of one era, or the start of another?

Well, you might think sending his son into that zone shows he's more Armstrong than Kelly, if you chose to draw a conclusion. personally? You don't stumble into being an EPO pioneer...

 

[martinvickers]

Actually guys, this is wandering off topic (Sutton, etc) - rather than risk the wrath of Susan, et all - do you think a discussion of the family Roche, and or Irish Cycling, justifies its own thread?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

As I said, Roche was in the border of the badlands - most people i know who love bikes forgive Merckx, forgive Kelly, forgive Fignon (I can't do that, but I understand it)

The same people, quite rightly Hate Armstrong, hate Riis, and the whole EPO era.

and Roche? Lots of furrowed brows and 'hmmms' - was he really the end of one era, or the start of another?

Well, you might think sending his son into that zone shows he's more Armstrong than Kelly, if you chose to draw a conclusion. personally? You don't stumble into being an EPO pioneer...

My excuse, I deleted my post while it was way out of topic.

Glad you give me an Irish insight, thanks for that.

I was really,really done with Roche years ago, but when his son entered pro - cycling I really got disgusted. Bah.

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[Benotti69]

Actually guys, this is wandering off topic (Sutton, etc) - rather than risk the wrath of Susan, et all - do you think a discussion of the family Roche, and or Irish Cycling, justifies its own thread?

No doubt his performances on TeamRiis will warrant it at some stage this season barring injury.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

As I said, Roche was in the border of the badlands - most people i know who love bikes forgive Merckx, forgive Kelly, forgive Fignon (I can't do that, but I understand it)

The same people, quite rightly Hate Armstrong, hate Riis, and the whole EPO era.

and Roche? Lots of furrowed brows and 'hmmms' - was he really the end of one era, or the start of another?

Well, you might think sending his son into that zone shows he's more Armstrong than Kelly, if you chose to draw a conclusion. personally? You don't stumble into being an EPO pioneer...

Maybe Roche sr felt he had his doping 'under crontrol' with his own undisclosed physicians, and has guided jr in this direction. I believe Roche was right on the cusp in the early 90's when he got out of cycling and was spared the full programs of that era.

Nicolas does not come across as heavily doped, and has not really been outstanding at any thing, just good at several things. I would rank him low on the scale.

 

[Benotti69]

.........even at 1.30pm it is still one of the best day's available.

In my role as official Clinic stalker of Brendan I bring you

Exclusive: Shane Sutton steps down as Team Sky's Head Coach

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...utton-steps-down-as-Team-Skys-head-coach.html

I see Fran has spotted, that we have spotted, that Brendan is the route of preference for all Sky/BC "Exclusives", so now we have Jacquelin Magnay, who seems to have gone off script !!! Shock.

[Why is she reminding readers of Yates? We were busy airbrushing him out! Not allowed to be at the SPOTY on the top table with Cav, Brad and the shiny headed one. A few more weeks and nobody would have remembered. must remember to insist on using Brendan next time. ]

I am glad Cookson values him !

How cycnical of Sky to do it on the day when everyone will be talking about Armstrong.

Really adds another notch in the doping stick.

 

[Cyivel]

yeah the phrase good day to bury bad news comes to mind.

 

[orbeas]

Shane Sutton

There seems some doubt whether BC have moved him..
Perhaps he is going to do a Lance and confess ???
A lot of the UK daily's seem to know the stories from the 80's about him and they have been listed on several internet sites.
Not good for the image of Team Sky or BC for sure..

 

[SundayRider]

When the reasoned decision was announced in the autumn they got rid of of Leinders that day...

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

When the reasoned decision was announced in the autumn they got rid of of Leinders that day...

Well at least one Sky policy is clear and transparent.

Wait until there is a big Armstrong story and release your bad news on the same day.

Fran is as bigger con artist as her brother.

 

[SundayRider]

Personally I think the fact that so many riders/staff have left Sky is now the perfect excuse for them to use next year if they under-perform, 'you see we haven't done as well as we hoped because we are so clean that we made staff who were implicated in doping leave the team, we've had to sacrifice results for clean cycling' blah blah.

 

[Benotti69]

Personally I think the fact that so many riders/staff have left Sky is now the perfect excuse for them to use next year if they under-perform, 'you see we haven't done as well as we hoped because we are so clean that we made staff who were implicated in doping leave the team, we've had to sacrifice results for clean cycling' blah blah.

That could backfire too. With Leinders Sky got great results, which was due to a doping Doctor all logistically enabled by those with experience of doping.

 

[Benotti69]

Well at least one Sky policy is clear and transparent.

Wait until there is a big Armstrong story and release your bad news on the same day.

Fran is as bigger con artist as her brother.

2 peas in a dirty little pod.

 

[SundayRider]

That could backfire too. With Leinders Sky got great results, which was due to a doping Doctor all logistically enabled by those with experience of doping.

My last post would probably satisfy the British cycling 'fans' who are only interested due to the recent success and get all of there cycling information from the BBC!

 

[del1962]

If any of you bothered to read the article you will find he is not leaving sky just changes his role, thats if you can get past you faux outrage

EDIT: Apparently its old new aswell, so the faux outrage looks even more dumb

 

[the asian]

He seems to be staying on as BC Cycling coach and only stepping down from SKY.

So BC Cycling has no issues about employing tainted figures.

 

[Darryl Webster]

If any of you bothered to read the article you will find he is not leaving sky just changes his role, thats if you can get past you faux outrage

This " change of role" was quietly announced a week or so ago on the Sky team web site. Why has it took a week for the mainstream to pick it up ?..
And more important than anything else no congruent reason for the move is made. If he was such a key part in there success moving him away from the front line makes no sense.
Now if I was of a suspicious mind I,d suspect moving him out of the spotlight and doing it at a time likely to draw the least attention..
..if I was of a suspicious mind..

 

[Benotti69]

He seems to be staying on as BC Cycling coach and only stepping down from SKY.

So BC Cycling has no issues about employing tainted figures.

Which is so hyprocrtical

 

[zalacain]

How cynical of Sky to do it on the day when everyone will be talking about Armstrong.

Really adds another notch in the doping stick.

It is fairly old news. Several days (or even weeks) old. So the fact the Torygraph published it (again) today is odd.

I don't think he is above suspicion though. Just what will he be troubleshooting?
PS Having just googled to check the date is was originally announced it does inedeed seem very strange thatit is even on the Sky website as new news today.
Methinks they doth take the pith too much!

 

[Freddythefrog]

we need some more information ....

He seems to be staying on as BC Cycling coach and only stepping down from SKY.

So BC Cycling has no issues about employing tainted figures.

Can oldcrank tell us a little more - .......are the mists clearing ? I can see a figure......? I still cannot make him out......

 

[the asian]

Which is so hyprocrtical

It is clear that whole zero tolerance bull **** a SKY PR stunt.

Pretty sure the riders will work under the radar with Leinders/yates/Sutton.

There is no need to officially employ them to obtain their services.

 

[orbeas]

shane sutton

This " change of role" was quietly announced a week or so ago on the Sky team web site. Why has it took a week for the mainstream to pick it up ?..
And more important than anything else no congruent reason for the move is made. If he was such a key part in there success moving him away from the front line makes no sense.
Now if I was of a suspicious mind I,d suspect moving him out of the spotlight and doing it at a time likely to draw the least attention..
..if I was of a suspicious mind..

Dazz you are on the ball as always .. Sky and BC move him sideways and out of the media spotlite - but still keeps his old job and salary, and when the SxxT his the fan they can say he is no longer on the front line !!!