Shane Sutton - Team Sky coach

[yaco]

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Apparently, Varnish wants to appeal the committee's decision to exonerate Sutton on eight charges of misconduct - I am unsure where and how Varnish can appeal - I'd be surprised if the findings are overturned at another inquiry.

To be honest, British Cycling leaking the document is by far a worst case of sexism than Sutton (not that you measure it in levels). If she had the resources she should take civil action against them for defamation.

Did you post the same when S.Yates positive test was mysteriously leaked at the same time as there was media spotlight on Sutton and BA.

Did BA leak the report ? Or was it publically released as often occurs - Reckon you would be whinging if BA sat on the report.

Reckon Varnish is angling for this to to be taken further possibly to court - I am interested that Varnish is the only one to cry foul.

Think there is more to this than meets the eye.

 

[thehog]

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Apparently, Varnish wants to appeal the committee's decision to exonerate Sutton on eight charges of misconduct - I am unsure where and how Varnish can appeal - I'd be surprised if the findings are overturned at another inquiry.

To be honest, British Cycling leaking the document is by far a worst case of sexism than Sutton (not that you measure it in levels). If she had the resources she should take civil action against them for defamation.

Did you post the same when S.Yates positive test was mysteriously leaked at the same time as there was media spotlight on Sutton and BA.

Did BA leak the report ? Or was it publically released as often occurs - Reckon you would be whinging if BA sat on the report.

Reckon Varnish is angling for this to to be taken further possibly to court - I am interested that Varnish is the only one to cry foul.

Think there is more to this than meets the eye.

I'll guess we'll wait for someone to leak the Lizzie Armistead reasoned decision... that would be a hoot!!

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Apparently, Varnish wants to appeal the committee's decision to exonerate Sutton on eight charges of misconduct - I am unsure where and how Varnish can appeal - I'd be surprised if the findings are overturned at another inquiry.

To be honest, British Cycling leaking the document is by far a worst case of sexism than Sutton (not that you measure it in levels). If she had the resources she should take civil action against them for defamation.

Did you post the same when S.Yates positive test was mysteriously leaked at the same time as there was media spotlight on Sutton and BA.

Did BA leak the report ? Or was it publically released as often occurs - Reckon you would be whinging if BA sat on the report.

Reckon Varnish is angling for this to to be taken further possibly to court - I am interested that Varnish is the only one to cry foul.

Think there is more to this than meets the eye.

Varnish cried foul and had many voices backing her claims. Pendleton. I dont think you need to look further than the treatment TeamGB showed Nicole Cooke and Emma Pooley who were left to do their own thing at their own expense.

Trying to whitewash TeamGB, Brailsford, Sutton Cookson and UKAD et al is not going to happen.

 

[Robert21]

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I dont think you need to look further than the treatment TeamGB showed Nicole Cooke...

And that is proof of 'sexism', rather than the well-known issues Cooke had with being a member of any team or organisation that wasn't 100% geared around furthering her - and only her - career?

As to the 'charges' brought against Sutton, I think he is the one who needs to appeal, not Varnish. It just goes to show how powerful the PC thoughtpolice have become when it has supposedly become a crime for an Australian to use the term 'Sheilas'. No evidence was found of him acting in a discriminatory manner, and even if he did use the term 'bitches' in a conversation, I think that is hardly grounds for destroying his career. Plenty of women say far worse and this doesn't lead to their dismissal. For example:

A university's diversity officer will remain in post, despite provoking a storm of protest by tweeting #killallwhitemen and labelling people "white trash".

Bahar Mustafa also banned white men from a university event on diversifying the curriculum at Goldsmiths University, London.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11633305/University-union-officer-who-wrote-kill-all-white-men-tweet-will-remain-in-post.html

 

[sniper]

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I dont think you need to look further than the treatment TeamGB showed Nicole Cooke...

And that is proof of 'sexism', rather than the well-known issues Cooke had with being a member of any team or organisation that wasn't 100% geared around furthering her - and only her - career?...

You're acting like a BC mouthpiece here.

Which organisation made you buy into those "well known issues"?
Indeed, you're taking that from the horse's mouth and present it as fact. Not good.

In fact, who was at the centre of those stories?
Indeed, our good friend Shane. Thought he could play pundit in the Daily Telegraph to slag off Varnish instead of being professional. Never missed a chance to make sure his protégées knew exactly whom to keep sweet if they were to have a long career in the sport.

Pooley and Cooke funding themselves to and in Australia whilst Shane's favoured crew flew first class and stayed in hotels paid for by Lottery money.
The Sky/Team GB men (including the reserve men ) having the ultimate aerodynamic, personally sized, lottery funded McLaren bikes for the London 2012 Road Race to get Cav the win, whilst the women (and never mind that Cooke was the defending champion) got nothing.
Those are the facts. Now who made all those decisions? Indeed.

I can only assume Sutton thought he was untouchable. Does he still think he is? Wouldn't surprise me.

As for "destroying his career", are you taking the absolute piss?
The guy made millions, and with all his insider knowledge I don't see him needing to go to any food bank anytime soon.

 

[movingtarget]

Wasn't the whole reason Varnish was excluded because of her poor performances ? I don't hear her blaming Sutton for that just calling him out on the way he spoke to her and behaved towards her. She seems to be the only one pursuing it further so maybe she was singled out for special treatment ? Even if she was entirely vindicated and everything she accuses Sutton of was found to be true and she was seeking compensation it seems her career was over anyway. Or is this her way of blaming Sutton for ruining her career ? With harassment usually if it's that bad and there is possible court action, victims will be drawn out to seek compensation. Maybe in this case some of those people are still competing and either don't want to be part of such a proceeding or they think it will have an effect on their career. If that's true then Varnish must feel pretty isolated and disappointed in the inaction of others or Sutton was worse with her than he was with others or she is simply someone who refuses to let him get away with such behavior whereas others for their own reasons prefer to play it down or stay silent.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

Apparently, Varnish wants to appeal the committee's decision to exonerate Sutton on eight charges of misconduct - I am unsure where and how Varnish can appeal - I'd be surprised if the findings are overturned at another inquiry.

To be honest, British Cycling leaking the document is by far a worst case of sexism than Sutton (not that you measure it in levels). If she had the resources she should take civil action against them for defamation.

Did you post the same when S.Yates positive test was mysteriously leaked at the same time as there was media spotlight on Sutton and BA.

Did BA leak the report ? Or was it publically released as often occurs - Reckon you would be whinging if BA sat on the report.

Reckon Varnish is angling for this to to be taken further possibly to court - I am interested that Varnish is the only one to cry foul.

Think there is more to this than meets the eye.

Varnish cried foul and had many voices backing her claims. Pendleton. I dont think you need to look further than the treatment TeamGB showed Nicole Cooke and Emma Pooley who were left to do their own thing at their own expense.

Trying to whitewash TeamGB, Brailsford, Sutton Cookson and UKAD et al is not going to happen.

You haven't answered the question - What is Varnish angling at if she can take this further ? - Sutton has been found guilty and sacked by BA. And i am very critical of BA.

Is Varnish the new Landis ?

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Apparently, Varnish wants to appeal the committee's decision to exonerate Sutton on eight charges of misconduct - I am unsure where and how Varnish can appeal - I'd be surprised if the findings are overturned at another inquiry.

To be honest, British Cycling leaking the document is by far a worst case of sexism than Sutton (not that you measure it in levels). If she had the resources she should take civil action against them for defamation.

Did you post the same when S.Yates positive test was mysteriously leaked at the same time as there was media spotlight on Sutton and BA.

Did BA leak the report ? Or was it publically released as often occurs - Reckon you would be whinging if BA sat on the report.

Reckon Varnish is angling for this to to be taken further possibly to court - I am interested that Varnish is the only one to cry foul.

Think there is more to this than meets the eye.

Varnish cried foul and had many voices backing her claims. Pendleton. I dont think you need to look further than the treatment TeamGB showed Nicole Cooke and Emma Pooley who were left to do their own thing at their own expense.

Trying to whitewash TeamGB, Brailsford, Sutton Cookson and UKAD et al is not going to happen.

You haven't answered the question - What is Varnish angling at if she can take this further ? - Sutton has been found guilty and sacked by BA. And i am very critical of BA.

Is Varnish the new Landis ?

Sutton wasn't sacked by BA. He resigned.

 

[sniper]

Shane, lol.
Not the sharpest tool is he.

Shane: "Sky are the cleanest team I've ever seen"
Question: "Mr. Sutton, in your long illustrious cycling career have you ever witnessed any doping?"
Shane: "No I havent".

 

[King Boonen]

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Shane, lol.
Not the sharpest tool is he.

Shane: "Sky are the cleanest team I've ever seen"
Question: "Mr. Sutton, in your long illustrious cycling career have you ever witnessed any doping?"
Shane: "No I havent".

I didn't even notice that...

 

[Nick C.]

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Shane, lol.
Not the sharpest tool is he.

Shane: "Sky are the cleanest team I've ever seen"
Question: "Mr. Sutton, in your long illustrious cycling career have you ever witnessed any doping?"
Shane: "No I havent".

lol. Technically wouldn't that make them all tied for cleanliness or is he speaking of stuff like vacuuming and throwing out the trash and bathing when he means cleanest?

 

[Benotti69]

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Shane, lol.
Not the sharpest tool is he.

Shane: "Sky are the cleanest team I've ever seen"
Question: "Mr. Sutton, in your long illustrious cycling career have you ever witnessed any doping?"
Shane: "No I havent".

no doubt he meant the washing hands :lol:

Doping.

 

[heartsnotinit]

Question about ever having seen doping was at the very end from the chair: http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/fe5a6178-448d-44cc-835d-7ee6cd91b6e4 at 13:18:00 (which is time of day: not 13 hours in)

 

[Irondan]

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Question about ever having seen doping was at the very end from the chair: http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/fe5a6178-448d-44cc-835d-7ee6cd91b6e4 at 13:18:00 (which is time of day: not 13 hours in)

Shane, lol.
Not the sharpest tool is he.

Shane: "Sky are the cleanest team I've ever seen"
Question: "Mr. Sutton, in your long illustrious cycling career have you ever witnessed any doping?"
Shane: "No I havent".

Comedy gold! :lol:

 

[Benotti69]

More comedy

Sutton; "You sitting there and being British, you should embrace the success, not look for something that's not there"

"You've upset me that you have not embraced British Cycling as a whole and what Team Sky has achieved"

He should have told them; "I am sorry you don't believe in miracles". :lol:

 

[ruamruam]

I don't think the questioners were worth the chairs they were sitting on.

 

[sniper]

https://twitter.com/Paparrazifull/status/811106907876364288

 

[42x16ss]

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Wasn't the whole reason Varnish was excluded because of her poor performances ? I don't hear her blaming Sutton for that just calling him out on the way he spoke to her and behaved towards her. She seems to be the only one pursuing it further so maybe she was singled out for special treatment ? Even if she was entirely vindicated and everything she accuses Sutton of was found to be true and she was seeking compensation it seems her career was over anyway. Or is this her way of blaming Sutton for ruining her career ? With harassment usually if it's that bad and there is possible court action, victims will be drawn out to seek compensation. Maybe in this case some of those people are still competing and either don't want to be part of such a proceeding or they think it will have an effect on their career. If that's true then Varnish must feel pretty isolated and disappointed in the inaction of others or Sutton was worse with her than he was with others or she is simply someone who refuses to let him get away with such behavior whereas others for their own reasons prefer to play it down or stay silent.

Huh? In the year leading up to her exclusion Varnish never ranked lower than 5th IN THE WORLD for starters in the team sprint and is only recently turned 26. There was no performance issues to speak of.

This is why her exclusion was so surprising. How does this keep getting passed over

 

[yaco]

The BA spin supported by the media was Sutton re-signed - Believe this at your peril.

 

[Benotti69]

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https://twitter.com/Paparrazifull/status/811106907876364288

Sutton taping over syringe pock marks

 

[Benotti69]

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Wasn't the whole reason Varnish was excluded because of her poor performances ? I don't hear her blaming Sutton for that just calling him out on the way he spoke to her and behaved towards her. She seems to be the only one pursuing it further so maybe she was singled out for special treatment ? Even if she was entirely vindicated and everything she accuses Sutton of was found to be true and she was seeking compensation it seems her career was over anyway. Or is this her way of blaming Sutton for ruining her career ? With harassment usually if it's that bad and there is possible court action, victims will be drawn out to seek compensation. Maybe in this case some of those people are still competing and either don't want to be part of such a proceeding or they think it will have an effect on their career. If that's true then Varnish must feel pretty isolated and disappointed in the inaction of others or Sutton was worse with her than he was with others or she is simply someone who refuses to let him get away with such behavior whereas others for their own reasons prefer to play it down or stay silent.

Huh? In the year leading up to her exclusion Varnish never ranked lower than 5th IN THE WORLD for starters in the team sprint and is only recently turned 26. There was no performance issues to speak of.

This is why her exclusion was so surprising. How does this keep getting passed over

The way Brailsford and Sutton are playing, Varnish will come out of this looking good, but it might be the end of her track career as no doubt funding will be dropped from Brit Cycling.

 

[The Carrot]

Hilarious!

https://twitter.com/velocast/status/811529295998947332

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

Wasn't the whole reason Varnish was excluded because of her poor performances ? I don't hear her blaming Sutton for that just calling him out on the way he spoke to her and behaved towards her. She seems to be the only one pursuing it further so maybe she was singled out for special treatment ? Even if she was entirely vindicated and everything she accuses Sutton of was found to be true and she was seeking compensation it seems her career was over anyway. Or is this her way of blaming Sutton for ruining her career ? With harassment usually if it's that bad and there is possible court action, victims will be drawn out to seek compensation. Maybe in this case some of those people are still competing and either don't want to be part of such a proceeding or they think it will have an effect on their career. If that's true then Varnish must feel pretty isolated and disappointed in the inaction of others or Sutton was worse with her than he was with others or she is simply someone who refuses to let him get away with such behavior whereas others for their own reasons prefer to play it down or stay silent.

Huh? In the year leading up to her exclusion Varnish never ranked lower than 5th IN THE WORLD for starters in the team sprint and is only recently turned 26. There was no performance issues to speak of.

This is why her exclusion was so surprising. How does this keep getting passed over

I didn't know that but I did read an article saying that her performances had slipped and I just assumed that Sutton was using that as ammunition re her non team selection. If she was a medal chance usually that overrides everything else.

 

[King Boonen]

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Wasn't the whole reason Varnish was excluded because of her poor performances ? I don't hear her blaming Sutton for that just calling him out on the way he spoke to her and behaved towards her. She seems to be the only one pursuing it further so maybe she was singled out for special treatment ? Even if she was entirely vindicated and everything she accuses Sutton of was found to be true and she was seeking compensation it seems her career was over anyway. Or is this her way of blaming Sutton for ruining her career ? With harassment usually if it's that bad and there is possible court action, victims will be drawn out to seek compensation. Maybe in this case some of those people are still competing and either don't want to be part of such a proceeding or they think it will have an effect on their career. If that's true then Varnish must feel pretty isolated and disappointed in the inaction of others or Sutton was worse with her than he was with others or she is simply someone who refuses to let him get away with such behavior whereas others for their own reasons prefer to play it down or stay silent.

Huh? In the year leading up to her exclusion Varnish never ranked lower than 5th IN THE WORLD for starters in the team sprint and is only recently turned 26. There was no performance issues to speak of.

This is why her exclusion was so surprising. How does this keep getting passed over

I didn't know that but I did read an article saying that her performances had slipped and I just assumed that Sutton was using that as ammunition re her non team selection. If she was a medal chance usually that overrides everything else.

That was the stroy BC were putting out there. I don't think they have ever backed it up with actual data. The other issue is Jess was out-performing athletes who weren't let go and BC were racing her in qualifying events. That doesn't seem very likely if she wasn't performing.

 

[Nick C.]

viewtopic.php?p=2051126#p2051126

Hog posted this elsewhere but it seems relevant here as well.