Shaving

[Boeing]

Shaving does nothing of significance to aerodynamics its an urban myth - in a pool different.

The reason why they shave down is 3 fold.
1. they gets tons of hours of massage - much more comfortable and less chance of ingrown hair

2. if they crash with no hair it it heals better and more conformable

3. it make you feel clean and fast - psychological

Same as massage benefits, applying sun screen and to add to the fall/crash benefit, crashing with hair can also intensify the injury. As is hair follicles pull on skin becoming more abrasive deeper wound

 

[liftman]

A scene in Hell on Wheels has either Aldag or Zabel talking about shaving and saying that it is to make massages more comfortable and to treat road rash easier.
That doesn't explain why those of us not receiving daily massages still do it.

 

[Cobblestones]

And then you start a list with two more myths



Seems questionable considering other sporters (Football!) players don't shave, yet they are massaged a lot as well.



I also believed this one for years. But!

It's clinically proven that it's actually the other way around. Things like staph etc. thrive in a shaven skin. The reason is that however good you shave, the skin always gets damaged.



Bingo!

Maybe someone should suggest this to the Mythbusters?


Also, a clean shaven face should be a requirement for any DS.

 

[goggalor]

Some do.....

That goes for the rest of society as well.

 

[laziali]

Funny 1 study done in 1987 and the word could - not evidence. anyone got a PDF of the file ? or any modern studies

Not so fast my little friend. You said in your original post "Shaving does nothing of significance to aerodynamics its an urban myth - in a pool different."

Now you have been caught with your pants down because the ONLY empirical evidence shows that there is a material competition-level time saving through aerodynamics. You don't get to just make up that something is an "urban myth" when you haven't done your homework, without getting pwnd.

 

[just some guy]

Not so fast my little friend. You said in your original post "Shaving does nothing of significance to aerodynamics its an urban myth - in a pool different."

Now you have been caught with your pants down because the ONLY empirical evidence shows that there is a material competition-level time saving through aerodynamics. You don't get to just make up that something is an "urban myth" when you haven't done your homework, without getting pwnd.

Look champ I deal with research daily I asked for a PDF of the file and looked for more research there is none that my search engines can find.

and you wrote could could have would have but not does so pull your head in, until there is evidence and evidence that the methodology of the research can be checked it is an urban myth .... get it my little friend

 

[the_kman]

And then you start a list with two more myths

1. they gets tons of hours of massage - much more comfortable and less chance of ingrown hair

Seems questionable considering other sporters (Football!) players don't shave, yet they are massaged a lot as well.

Ummm dunno what sports you watch
almost every sporting professional, whose legs are the main working part during their sport, shaves their legs.

try spot hairy legs in: nrl, afl, union, etc

wont happen. they all shave and get massages frequently.

 

[brianf7]

shaving legs and applying a little oil will make water run off quicker but then it only fills up in the shoes unless you have drain holes in so it may stop the cold rain from causing cramps Maybe.
But at least it is easier to pick out the gravel from road rash without plucking hairs out as well.

If you dont have varicouse veins it also looks better.

 

[laziali]

Look champ I deal with research daily I asked for a PDF of the file and looked for more research there is none that my search engines can find.

You "deal with research daily" do you, my little friend? And yet you cannot find a properly cited study without someone spoon-feeding you a PDF. Sounds like a typical gen-Y student to me Good luck with you assignments.

Back to topic. Shaving legs makes a rider faster. End of story.

 

[just some guy]

You "deal with research daily" do you, my little friend? And yet you cannot find a properly cited study without someone spoon-feeding you a PDF. Sounds like a typical gen-Y student to me Good luck with you assignments.

Back to topic. Shaving legs makes a rider faster. End of story.

whats the drag coefficent shaved legs verse hairy since you know so much and nice straw man argument, which doesn´t cut it because your wrong.

There is no scientific that shaved legs makes a person ride faster - End of story.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Back to topic. Shaving legs makes a rider faster. End of story.

Not if the rider's wearing leg warmers. Ha!

 

[Winterfold]

You "deal with research daily" do you, my little friend? And yet you cannot find a properly cited study without someone spoon-feeding you a PDF. Sounds like a typical gen-Y student to me Good luck with you assignments.

Back to topic. Shaving legs makes a rider faster. End of story.

Nope I'm calling you on it too.

I want a link to an article in a recognised academic or medical journal that makes your point specifically re cycling. If you dont have access to Athens, then use Google Scholar.

If you find one, then I'm interested to see it.

 

[just some guy]

If there is evidence I´m happy to admit I wrong - I just don´t think the P- value will be significant.

 

[Boeing]

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[laziali]

Nope I'm calling you on it too.

I want a link to an article in a recognised academic or medical journal that makes your point specifically re cycling. If you dont have access to Athens, then use Google Scholar.

If you find one, then I'm interested to see it.

Read my original post sockpuppet, the bit where I cited

A 1987 study conducted by Chester Kyle concluded that the aerodynamic improvement of shaving legs is roughly 0.6 percent, which could result in a savings of around 5 seconds in a 40km time trial ridden at 37kph. (Kyle, Chester R.; Zahradnik, Fred: Aerodynamic Overhaul. Streamline Your Body and Your Bike. Bicycling, Jun 1987, pp. 72 - 79)

 

[lostincosmos]

Rather than listen to your ****ing contest, I googled it myself on scholar.google and google itself.

Chester Kyle wrote multiple articles regarding cycling aerodynamics, focused on drafting, bike design and weight. I did not see a reference to hair in the two I read, but sheldon brown makes a reference to the same .06 stat as well.

So it seems quite possible this study did in fact happen.

Now shut up about it already

 

[laziali]

Rather than listen to your ****ing contest, I googled it myself on scholar.google and google itself.

Chester Kyle wrote multiple articles regarding cycling aerodynamics, focused on drafting, bike design and weight. I did not see a reference to hair in the two I read, but sheldon brown makes a reference to the same .06 stat as well.

So it seems quite possible this study did in fact happen.

Now shut up about it already

So if you can't find a journal article online, it doesn't exist Fark, the youth of today ...

In case you sockpuppets think I am making it up, here is an extraction of the study results http://www.brett.at/content/view/115/1/

Of course, the later great Sheldon Brown also referred to it, but hey, he was ALWAYS making stuff up, right? http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/aerolit.htm

So far, I'm giving you all FAILS. Now, back to the books kiddies - once upon a time in a world far far away, we had something called paper and printing ... try googling THAT and see if you can work out how to do real research

 

[just some guy]

So if you can't find a journal article online, it doesn't exist Fark, the youth of today ...

In case you sockpuppets think I am making it up, here is an extraction of the study results http://www.brett.at/content/view/115/1/

Of course, the later great Sheldon Brown also referred to it, but hey, he was ALWAYS making stuff up, right? http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/aerolit.htm

So far, I'm giving you all FAILS. Now, back to the books kiddies - once upon a time in a world far far away, we had something called paper and printing ... try googling THAT and see if you can work out how to do real research

I´m going to leave this but your evidence is not evidence of scientific meaning

you can stop the I´m older than you cr@p as well, pointless strawman argument - the was no public Internet when I went to Uni and the last Exam I had any dealings with I wrote the exam for students.

I enjoy scientific debate but there is no point - have a good life

 

[Polyarmour]

Chester Kyle and others have confirmed this. Shaving your legs makes you go faster. 5 or 6 seconds over 40km is significant, even if you prorata it to a 200m sprint it will still be significant. All other things equal, the race will be won or lost on shaved legs. I think the problem with this issue is that most people have trouble believing that a bit of hair can slow you down that much... but it does. The forces involved are very small and can't be perceived by the riders but the presence of hair upsets the flow boundary layers and causes a few grams of extra drag. All the other reasons mentioned for shaving legs, massage, rash etc, I believe have evolved out of a lack of understanding of the physics involved. Will cyclists benefit by shaving their arms and faces? Yes. As they will from wearing superslick skin suits and lycra shoe covers.

 

[R.0.t.O]

This stuff is funny. Why do cyclists shave their legs? Just look at anyone in cycling shorts with hairy legs and you have your answer, it looks hideous. Pro cyclists originally shaved their legs because they were told to by their sponsors so they looked presentable. Maybe it's faster, more hygienic etc, but that's not why you do it. It's the same as turning up with a clean bike with spotless bar tape to the start. Look a mess on your own watch but not when you're representing a team and a sponsor.

 

[thehog]

This stuff is funny. Why do cyclists shave their legs? Just look at anyone in cycling shorts with hairy legs and you have your answer, it looks hideous. Pro cyclists originally shaved their legs because they were told to by their sponsors so they looked presentable. Maybe it's faster, more hygienic etc, but that's not why you do it. It's the same as turning up with a clean bike with spotless bar tape to the start. Look a mess on your own watch but not when you're representing a team and a sponsor.

CVV explained it the same. He recounted a story where he shouted at his wife to hurry up or they'll be late for a dinner appointment. She said "wait I can't go out until I shave my legs!". He said your legs look fine but then he realised. It's the way it feels. Clean legs feel good & his wife was right you can't go out even with a little bit of hair. Doesn't feel right.

I had mine treated with IPL. I got sick of shaving.

 

[laziali]

I´m going to leave this but your evidence is not evidence of scientific meaning

you can stop the I´m older than you cr@p as well, pointless strawman argument - the was no public Internet when I went to Uni and the last Exam I had any dealings with I wrote the exam for students.

I enjoy scientific debate but there is no point - have a good life

Your false claim that it was an "urban myth", which was your original offence, has nothing to do with "scientific meaning". Don't try to misdirect. You still got it wrong as your shot off your mouth.

 

[lostincosmos]

So if you can't find a journal article online, it doesn't exist Fark, the youth of today ...

In case you sockpuppets think I am making it up, here is an extraction of the study results http://www.brett.at/content/view/115/1/

Of course, the later great Sheldon Brown also referred to it, but hey, he was ALWAYS making stuff up, right? http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/aerolit.htm

So far, I'm giving you all FAILS. Now, back to the books kiddies - once upon a time in a world far far away, we had something called paper and printing ... try googling THAT and see if you can work out how to do real research

All I said is that I found the author, who writes articles on cycling and aerodynamics, and other articles that reference the same idea about leg hair. I did not claim it was proof, I claimed it was good reason to believe in the likelihood of the claim given the evidence that I did find.

Evidence I found, by the way, in a mere 10 minutes of reading and googling. Apparently 10 more minutes than you have into this cuz it was very easy...

So why be such an as$hat? Talking down to people doesn't make you smarter, it just makes you a jerk. So take your "kiddies" horse manure and shove it.

 

[cyclopeon]

... the last Exam I had any dealings with I wrote the exam for students. ...

Isn't that being a party to cheating??!!

 

[M Sport]

This stuff is funny. Why do cyclists shave their legs? Just look at anyone in cycling shorts with hairy legs and you have your answer, it looks hideous.

Pretty much sums it up. The secondary benefits are the the massage and the hair infections if you crash but let's be realistic, that may be a good reason for the pro's but us weekend racers don't enjoy the same amount of massages and don't crash as often.

Is it faster? In a tt maybe but I would like to see the study on that before I agreed, in a road race no way, too much dirty air going on elsewhere on the bike for shaving legs to have any effect.