Shleck vs Contador - showdown.

[Rob_Roy]

And you're happy about that?

Excuse me!

I am very sorry for any offense directed your way in my post,I had no intention to bother anyone.
What I wrote was that Contador came from vacation and won the Giro.My personal feelings about the matter isnt important,but I can assure you that it takes a whole lot more than that to make me happy.

It has to be personal to make me feel happy,for example if my wife brings me breakfast in the morning...well....that will really be a start for a very happy day..

Take care....

 

[Rob_Roy]

Are you really that naive? It wasn't "form" that was propelling Contador.

With form I mean physically and mentally prepared.You seem to mean that he is on drugs or whatever.No I dont think I am more naive than you in this case.No harm meant though.I just find it sad to see that you without proof declare a biker to be a cheater.When or IF he gets caught I may share your view...

Take care.

 

[franciep10]

People this is about Schleck vs Contador look at the title it's not who's a doper if you want to talk about doping go on the rebellin thread not here

 

[Baggins27]

People this is about Schleck vs Contador look at the title it's not who's a doper if you want to talk about doping go on the rebellin thread not here

Well said.

 

[Rob_Roy]

People this is about Schleck vs Contador look at the title it's not who's a doper if you want to talk about doping go on the rebellin thread not here

Amen to that...

In my first post,quoted Baggins I think,I sad I might cheer more on Schleck but that he will have a hard time beating Contador as he won the Giro after being on vacation.Some persons read a part of my post,and come to some strange conclusions which I felt needed to be answered in a polite way.

I dont like to ignore persons,thats why I put my foot in my mouth answering,and I do apologize as you are right about the topic.

Take care.

 

[vv777vv]

Interesting thread topic but after reading thru 11 pages, maybe a more appropriate topic should be :
"whiteboy (the hardcore AS & team Saxo supporter) vs the rest who are not - showdown".

but heck, it's the internet forum and everyone is free to voice their opinions, so this is how i see it - looking at factual results and if it is solely AS vs AC, AC is definitely a class above AS. results speaks for itself. period. AS is definitely the up and coming future but for now, he still has to get more results to prove he can be in the same league as AC when it comes to stage races - perhaps we might get a chance to see that come july.

a bit off topic - even talking about climbing alone (and not the GC including TTs), no offense to those who only see (or fantsize) AS or AC dominating the climbs come this july, i hate to say it but don't forget other proven grand tour "old timers" who can climb just as good or better than these 2 young guns. well, I'll just list 3 of my personal favourite-like the guy from Texas, Basso, Leipheimer. I'm sure you guys have more to add to the list.

 

[Baggins27]

he still has to get more results to prove he can be in the same league as AC when it comes to stage races

...and that is exactly my point.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Interesting thread topic but after reading thru 11 pages, maybe a more appropriate topic should be :
"whiteboy (the hardcore AS & team Saxo supporter) vs the rest who are not - showdown".

By the rest, I take it you mean hardcore JB & team Astana supporters?
How come one is labelled as biased, the other is not?
Oh, I see. You think the same as they do.
A far more hardcore bunch, IMO.

 

[franciep10]

By the rest, I take it you mean hardcore JB & team Astana supporters?
How come one is labelled as biased, the other is not?
Oh, I see. You think the same as they do.
A far more hardcore bunch, IMO.

im not an astana supporter but I respect what their riders do on the road I don't know about off the road, as for whiteboy im every person that has said anything about doping at USPS and said they were all lying and the 1999 test results came back negative and armstrong dies and they do an autopsy and say that he never doped ever he would still hate astana, although I get what you're saying as you have some hardcore fans that are extremely blind as for me i like Levi and Contador and horner I like to watch them race but somebody made a great quote on this forum saying that they probably didn't win on bread and water and I know that's probably true. you see you got me into the doping talk yeah thanks

 

[Kazistuta]

Well, maybe people also can be seen as objective?

I'm a huge SaxoBank fan and I'm absolutely rooting for Schleck, but there's no need to be naive and ignore the fact that Contador on several occasions has proven his superiority in grand tours (and smaller stage races as well).

If it indeed WAS a showdown solely between AS and AC, the Spaniard would be heavily favourised. As vv777vv points out there's gonna be a lot of other contenders, who's presence hopefully will assure an open race in July. I'm just hoping that the outsiders (= riders hoping for a top5 finish or so) won't help the leading team too much, so that we'll get the smaller guns firing away attacking the leader, regardless if it's AC or AS.

 

[mr. tibbs]

I'm gonna post a big, fat raspberry in this thread when Menchov, Evans, or Valverde ends up winning.

Wouldn't that be teh lulz?

Srsly, though: I think one of the above (with the possible exception of Valverde owing to his inabillity to not bonk/crash & his alleged extracurricular training habits) will place above one of the titular cyclists of this thread, possibly even bumping one (or both) off the podium.

And I think it'll probz be Schleck that gets the boot. But I still like him, and I love seeing guys win both the Yellow and White jerseys in the same year, so...

yeah.

 

[jaylew]

Well, maybe people also can be seen as objective?

I'm a huge SaxoBank fan and I'm absolutely rooting for Schleck, but there's no need to be naive and ignore the fact that Contador on several occasions has proven his superiority in grand tours (and smaller stage races as well).

Exactly. Maybe there have been a couple of "extremists" on each side but for the most part people have seemed objective with their thoughts. I'd wager that if you asked everybody in this thread who of the two they thought had a better chance winning, and then asked them who they'd rather see win, that the results would be a bit different.

 

[patswana]

People this is about Schleck vs Contador look at the title it's not who's a doper if you want to talk about doping go on the rebellin thread not here

When AC was a client of Fuentes and could win the Giro over Ricco without even training specifically for it and AS's older brother was another Fuentes' client and his team rode last year's Tour with incomparable strength, it's a challenge not to talk about these two without mentioning their doping.

 

[vv777vv]

By the rest, I take it you mean hardcore JB & team Astana supporters?
How come one is labelled as biased, the other is not?
Oh, I see. You think the same as they do.
A far more hardcore bunch, IMO.

errr....i remember there are various opininons supporting various riders from various teams. so it's strange to see you make this kind of comment, so i guess this presumption from you probably put you in the ANTI Astana group, i could be wrong tho

talking about doping in cycling which is out of topic here but pops up every other postings -- i don't know if there is any other cycling fans out there like me but i don't give a xxxx anymore about who dopes and who doesn't. to me, cycling is a beautiful & exicting sport (with or without doping) and as a cycling fans, all i want to see is some exciting races. well, if any of these professional cyclists get caught for doping, too bad. cycling is just the victim in the media world when it comes to doping. pro cyclists are not the only dopers in the sports world but other athletes seems to get less coverage from the media and rarely being victimized like what they do to pro cyclists - i wonder why

and since we live in a world where one is innocent until proven guilty, i think it's unfair and a waste of time for a mere spectator/fan (and NOT officials - remember most of us here are not from WADA, UCI etc) trying to imply, link or accuse that certain riders are suspected dopers.

 

[jaylew]

When AC was a client of Fuentes and could win the Giro over Ricco without even training specifically for it and AS's older brother was another Fuentes' client and his team rode last year's Tour with incomparable strength, it's a challenge not to talk about these two without mentioning their doping.

Not really. Of course, you have to actually want to.

 

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