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DNP-Old

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He has had his opportunities in the past and has wasted them. Besides he has had bad luck also.
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The only races he consistently gets to ride for his own are Itzulia and Fleche Wallone. He finished 2nd in Itzulia twice, the latter he podiumed once and he was supposed to win it this year, but some biological passport nonsense got in the way. In other races, there's always another top dog in his way. Whether it be Uran, Wiggins, Froome, Thomas...
 
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DNP-Old said:
Escarabajo said:
La Vuelta a España.
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When?

2012: Froome
2013: I'll give you this one, though it was more of a co-leadership with Uran. In fact, Uran took over as the leader after stage 2.
2014: DNS
2015: Froome, then Nieve
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Well I think he got his chance last year a little as well, it just so happened that his GC didn't work out due to a crash or something, and he wasn't on such great form anyway I think. Initially, there was Froome, Nieve, Henao and Roche who all tried to maintain a position on GC, but in the end only Nieve actually succeeded.
 
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He has had some chances and hasn' t taken advantage of them. It's hard to blame Sky for not getting 100% behind him at a GT when he can't even win Pais Vasco, which seems almost designed for him.

Also, there really is no excuse for him sucking so badly in TTs. If Quintana can get better, he can too. He has lost a few one week races chiefly because he is so bad on a GT bike.
 
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AlexNYC said:
He has had some chances and hasn' t taken advantage of them. It's hard to blame Sky for not getting 100% behind him at a GT when he can't even win Pais Vasco, which seems almost designed for him.

Also, there really is no excuse for him sucking so badly in TTs. If Quintana can get better, he can too. He has lost a few one week races chiefly because he is so bad on a GT bike.
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He lost this year's Itzulia because on the other end was Contador, one of best hilly time-trialers around. A 3rd place in a TT for me isn't the same as "sucking so badly".
 
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qwerty16 said:
He can't even win races like Pologne or California when given the chance to lead.
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Yep, 28 years old with 5 professional wins and only two of which are Worldtour level. His level certainly seems like a dom as he is being used in the Dauphine with a few smaller races he gets to lead himself.
 
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Sciocco said:
qwerty16 said:
He can't even win races like Pologne or California when given the chance to lead.
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Yep, 28 years old with 5 professional wins and only two of which are Worldtour level. His level certainly seems like a dom as he is being used in the Dauphine with a few smaller races he gets to lead himself.
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Yeah, he often does disappoint and usually loses the race in the TT, like Paid Vasco this and last year, Tour of Poland last year, and maybe two years before as well, although he wasn't really in contention for the victory then. Also, if he'd done better in the shocking Paris Nice prologuw, he might have been allowed to go for his own chances.
 
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AlexNYC said:
He has had some chances and hasn' t taken advantage of them. It's hard to blame Sky for not getting 100% behind him at a GT when he can't even win Pais Vasco, which seems almost designed for him.

Also, there really is no excuse for him sucking so badly in TTs. If Quintana can get better, he can too. He has lost a few one week races chiefly because he is so bad on a GT bike.
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http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24012

:rolleyes:
 
Hugo Koblet

Hugo Koblet

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Ryo Hazuki said:
AlexNYC said:
He has had some chances and hasn' t taken advantage of them. It's hard to blame Sky for not getting 100% behind him at a GT when he can't even win Pais Vasco, which seems almost designed for him.

Also, there really is no excuse for him sucking so badly in TTs. If Quintana can get better, he can too. He has lost a few one week races chiefly because he is so bad on a GT bike.
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http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24012

:rolleyes:
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http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=28062
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=28113
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24063
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24022

:rolleyes:
 
Ryo Hazuki

Ryo Hazuki

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Hugo Koblet said:
Ryo Hazuki said:
AlexNYC said:
He has had some chances and hasn' t taken advantage of them. It's hard to blame Sky for not getting 100% behind him at a GT when he can't even win Pais Vasco, which seems almost designed for him.

Also, there really is no excuse for him sucking so badly in TTs. If Quintana can get better, he can too. He has lost a few one week races chiefly because he is so bad on a GT bike.
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http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24012

:rolleyes:
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http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=28062
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=28113
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24063
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24022

:rolleyes:
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oh god how ridiculous are you, showing timetrial results in which he didn't go full at all, save the poland one
 
Hugo Koblet

Hugo Koblet

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DNP-Old

DNP-Old

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Hugo Koblet said:
DNP-Old said:
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24799
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24012
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=23934
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27399
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27644
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27886
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=29467
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Yeah, there are indeed a lot of quite bad performances.
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I'd say 20th is pretty good for someone who ''sucks so badly at TT's''.
 
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DNP-Old said:
Escarabajo said:
He has had his opportunities in the past and has wasted them. Besides he has had bad luck also.
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The only races he consistently gets to ride for his own are Itzulia and Fleche Wallone. He finished 2nd in Itzulia twice, the latter he podiumed once and he was supposed to win it this year, but some biological passport nonsense got in the way. In other races, there's always another top dog in his way. Whether it be Uran, Wiggins, Froome, Thomas...
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That's a new one! Didn't know that term, "supposed to win" :confused: :p
 
Hugo Koblet

Hugo Koblet

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DNP-Old said:
Hugo Koblet said:
DNP-Old said:
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24799
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24012
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=23934
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27399
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27644
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27886
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=29467
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Yeah, there are indeed a lot of quite bad performances.
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I'd say 20th is pretty good for someone who ''sucks so badly at TT's''.
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Oh, I thought the ones you linked to showed bad performances. If not, then why do you bring up the Pais Vasco '13 and '15 ITT's? He lost the race because of these. To Rodriguez and Quintana.

Anyway, I never said that he sucks at ITT's and I don't think that he does, but he's just not good at them.
 
DNP-Old

DNP-Old

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Hugo Koblet said:
DNP-Old said:
Hugo Koblet said:
DNP-Old said:
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24799
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24012
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=23934
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27399
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27644
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27886
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=29467
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Yeah, there are indeed a lot of quite bad performances.
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I'd say 20th is pretty good for someone who ''sucks so badly at TT's''.
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Oh, I thought the ones you linked to showed bad performances. If not, then why do you bring up the Pais Vasco '13 and '15 ITT's? He lost the race because of these. To Rodriguez and Quintana.
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So because he lost the GC, it suddenly is a bad TT? Of course not. He lost Itzulia in the TT this year and it was still a heck of a performance.
 
Hugo Koblet

Hugo Koblet

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DNP-Old said:
Hugo Koblet said:
DNP-Old said:
Hugo Koblet said:
DNP-Old said:
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24799
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=24012
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=23934
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27399
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27644
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27886
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=29467
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Yeah, there are indeed a lot of quite bad performances.
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I'd say 20th is pretty good for someone who ''sucks so badly at TT's''.
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Oh, I thought the ones you linked to showed bad performances. If not, then why do you bring up the Pais Vasco '13 and '15 ITT's? He lost the race because of these. To Rodriguez and Quintana.
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So because he lost the GC, it suddenly is a bad TT? Of course not. He lost Itzulia in the TT this year and it was still a heck of a performance.
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When you lose the GC to Rodriguez and Quintana in an ITT, I'd say it's a bad performance, yes.
 
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