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Fortyninefourteen

Fortyninefourteen

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trompe le monde said:
I find it a bit funny that Mr. Papp, self styled critic of the chemical nature of the peloton, a nature which he could not escape and helped to sustain through his drug pimping, would make a Faustian pact with Pharmstrong. Maybe the levels of irony escape such a moral prostitute as Mr. Papp, which would also help to explain his alleged threat of litigation.

Hilarious.

Shame that the net result of this episode has resulted in Race Radio leaving the forum. He was the most informed when it came to revealing the farce that was the Armstrong charade.
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Yes, agreed.

It makes sense that he would sell his services to the highest bidder with no regard to moral implications. At the moment that would be the LA camp...who will throw him under the bus when it makes sense for them to do that.

In the end it won't matter who gets 'outed' because many will volunteer info, corroborate witnesses etc etc.

As far as litigation, who can JP sue, and for what? That would be the mega trial of the century......
 
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Elagabalus said:
Guys (and Gals)

Go to google

Type this in

cache:http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18585&page=18

Copy the whole thing including the word cache: from above

You'll have to type the individual pages in manually (just change the page number from the above link) and you can also get a text only version (upper right hand corner) when you save to a pdf. :)
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Just be sure to use the whole URL, not one abbriviated with ellipses (...). [right click and copy link location if hyper link is shortened]
 
Epicycle

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Elagabalus said:
Guys (and Gals)

Go to google

Type this in

cache:http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18585&page=18

Copy the whole thing including the word cache: from above

You'll have to type the individual pages in manually (just change the page number from the above link) and you can also get a text only version (upper right hand corner) when you save to a pdf. :)
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Hard to believe Joe when you consider RR's track record and the fact that Joe said this while he was still running his online EPO selling business:

"By testifying (at the Landis hearing), outside of a clear conscience, I hope I'm helping the next generation of cyclists understand they have a choice"...

In the spring of 2007 Joe was saying one thing to USADA and the public while doing the exact opposite behind closed doors.
 
TexPat

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mewmewmew13 said:
In the back of my mind too blutto
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FFS. It's not even 7am yet here. My brain is not fully functioning. Can someone please explain what the hell is going on? You know where to find me.
 
Mrs John Murphy

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Short version.

Barrus confirmed that Papp outed RR and sold his info to Herman. He had obtained RR's private info via PM/DM. Barrus noted that he had wanted Papp banned but that CN staff had refused to do this. Barrus resigned in protest but said nothing at the time.

Other posters noted that Papp had done similar to them to gain their private information.

Papp threatened legal action against Barrus and others for all stating this.

CN locked/deleted the thread because 'the lawyers are looking at it' to see if any of the posts in their could make them liable for legal action should Papp choose to launch it against CN.

This all came about because a sockpuppet/troll poster reproduced RRs private info in another thread which then re-raised the issue about how RRs private information had been obtained in the first place.

Hope this helps.
 
Fortyninefourteen

Fortyninefourteen

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Elagabalus said:
Guys (and Gals)

Go to google

Type this in

cache:http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18585&page=18

Copy the whole thing including the word cache: from above

You'll have to type the individual pages in manually (just change the page number from the above link) and you can also get a text only version (upper right hand corner) when you save to a pdf. :)

Apparently, pages 1, 6, and 9 are 404 :(
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Can't make it work....
 
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thirteen said:
the powers that be have pulled it down.
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It's still there, don't panic. Pages 1, 6, and 9 are 404 though.

Try this (just click)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c....0.0.0..0.0.eesh..0.2...1.1.ALF_3CZt364&pbx=1

To get the other pages click on the link to the page at the top where it says "This is Google's cache of ...". It will take to the cyclingnews website for page 17 and say "Invalid thread specified ..." just go to the address bar and copy the url.

Next, in another tab go to google and type cache:+the url you just copied. Then change the 17 (the page number) to whatever page you want to see. There are only 20 pages. Well, actually 17 since 1,6 and9 are missing. But try it anyway.
 
Barrus

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Mrs John Murphy said:
Short version.

Barrus confirmed that Papp outed RR and sold his info to Herman. He had obtained RR's private info via PM/DM. Barrus noted that he had wanted Papp banned but that CN staff had refused to do this. Barrus resigned in protest but said nothing at the time.

Other posters noted that Papp had done similar to them to gain their private information.

Papp threatened legal action against Barrus and others for all stating this.

CN locked/deleted the thread because 'the lawyers are looking at it' to see if any of the posts in their could make them liable for legal action should Papp choose to launch it against CN.

This all came about because a sockpuppet/troll poster reproduced RRs private info in another thread which then re-raised the issue about how RRs private information had been obtained in the first place.

Hope this helps.
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Oh, he threatened legal action against me? Bring it on b*tch

BTW I got pages 1 through 5 or so through a source

Also Benson was supposed to post something today, I am waiting
 
Altitude

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lmao, Wasn't there some Papp article on CN shortly before his legal verdict? I wonder if that was written before or after this little incident?

Also, who is Herman?
 
Ozzie2

Ozzie2

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Mrs John Murphy said:
Short version.

Barrus confirmed that Papp outed RR and sold his info to Herman. He had obtained RR's private info via PM/DM. Barrus noted that he had wanted Papp banned but that CN staff had refused to do this. Barrus resigned in protest but said nothing at the time.

Other posters noted that Papp had done similar to them to gain their private information.

Papp threatened legal action against Barrus and others for all stating this.

CN locked/deleted the thread because 'the lawyers are looking at it' to see if any of the posts in their could make them liable for legal action should Papp choose to launch it against CN.

This all came about because a sockpuppet/troll poster reproduced RRs private info in another thread which then re-raised the issue about how RRs private information had been obtained in the first place.

Hope this helps.
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That appears a good summary for the other thread
This is better, it removes the accusations of character and motivation, and simplifies it

A few thoughts worth considering

When did this all happen
Has anyon eever had a governmental authority, i Mean executive authority put you will go to jail for 20 years kind of pressure on them?
It was always Joe, right?

Also what does he really have
I mean really
Kids are dying and all that, priests abusing kids, countries going broke.
What does he have
Our names?
A few PMs' where we confess to living 17year old girls a bit too much
That we ****ed our sister when we were 15?
That so and so said such and such did EPO in front of him
Hearsay, hearsay, hearsay
And what is the "evidence"
He can send someone an email that purports to have your email address and name?

Funk me. I can create an email from Lance Armstrong himself to me which says he and (insert any name you want) did (whatever you want) and the UCI knew it and cr@ cr@p.

Believability anyone?

So Chewie. HAVE you been screwed over yet?
If not, whats your worry? I've read 30 posts of whatever from you expressing fear. Is it_that_bad?

If someone here HAS been personally screwed over by the guy- then that isn't nice

But its not the end of the funking world

Are you all living in a caffeine infused bubble of big f***ing deal-itis?

From the outside looking in, I wonder if anyone aside from the 30 circle jerkers here really gives a flying funk

The sh** people have on me that can and has embarrassed me. Har! Curl your toes

But you live with it

Get over it (?)

Or are we going to have 30 more pages of "CN should have blah blah"
 
Ozzie2

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That appears a good summary for the other thread

This is better, it removes the accusations of character and motivation, and simplifies it
 
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Ozzie2 said:
That appears a good summary for the other thread

This is better, it removes the accusations of character and motivation, and simplifies it
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I'm not sure of your motivation here.

But if it's to stop people from posting (which appears to be the case), by belittlling their motivations, fears, or what have you, I think and hope you will fail.

If you don't like this thread, you are free to not read it.

You are also free to post as you have, repeatedly.

But you're looking no better than the people you are demeaning.
 
Ozzie2

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the big ring said:
I'm not sure of your motivation here.

But if it's to stop people from posting (which appears to be the case), by belittlling their motivations, fears, or what have you, I think and hope you will fail.

If you don't like this thread, you are free to not read it.

You are also free to post as you have, repeatedly.

But you're looking no better than the people you are demeaning.
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You are EXACTLY right- even I don't know my motivations here
I don't know the people, or what happened- and, from what I have observed, peoples confidences were betrayed and it appears quite mean and nasty.

I'm only an outsider looking in

But I've seen this a hundred times before. Girls on facebook flame wars. I'm just asking- having read 50 or whatever posts of pretty serious character assasination- where was it going?

Was a more preferable solution to invite Joe to come here and engage and discuss? I accept he seems to be a snake in the grass so what is the point

But is that the point? At what point didn't people know he was a snake in the grass (allegedly apparently) and_not_know, you know, buyer beware?

It is simplistic to vent on CN because they didn't put up a nanny warning saying "hey, that guy everyone knows as a snake in the grass, is, a snake in the grass"?

By no means am I wanting to shut any discussion down. To be honest my high council works by having 12 guys draw a number. Odds defend the guy, evens gnashy their teeth on him. And once a decision is made there is no sin bin, its it well, annihalated.

I would prefer he puts his nads on the table and stumps up and answers reasonable questions which I do think should be answered- IF he intends to stay around or wants to clear his name.

I don't think crying to lawyers is a win for anyone- dig 2 graves and both parties lose money before they bury themselves.

I also accept that I am looking no better than the people I am commenting on. I truly don't want to demean anyone.

I wonder if this is the point. Here we have an anonymous web forum, and the ONE GUY we are dumping on for betraying us, is the ONLY one who goes by his actual name.

And he is what would appear to be a "known quantity"

So Chewbacca appears to be pooping bricks in anxious fear for his law career or whatever- but on what basis is he likely to be betrayed, how could he anyway, and can't he just deny it anyway....that is IF anyone a) believed it and b) cared?

What am I missing?

Is the following a solution to stop threads hyping up and getting deleted and then respawning in circles, and satisfy natural anonymous web forum justice?

Joe. If you aren't already banned and can read this. Rather than playing the legal game, are we all going to finish this easier if you come here and present your side as much as you can - under the premise that you will get a fair engagement free of venom from people here?

Barrus- would you be happy to engage in point by point non emotional discussion keeping emotion out of it?

Would it be fair that if the reasoned and balanced assessment was that Joe did not act in good faith (considering what may be circumstances or pressures people might not be aware of) you would be Memory Holed and accept a lifetime ban or whatever the CN Star Chamber decided?


Or maybe this happened before and the jury already returned and I am kicking up an old tree?
 
Ozzie2

Ozzie2

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mewmewmew13 said:
Wow.
There are 30 of us here now? :eek:
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29. Technically you don't count because your IP is the same as another posters ;)
Care to engage the discussion?
 
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