Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[Taxus4a]

You can't just discard criticism as thinking bad. Mindless enthusiasm for cycling has been rewarded with doping scandal after doping scandal after doping confession.

Pat and Hein have done nothing to believe that the sport is cleaner.

and??

Explain me why is impossible that is it the past?

I know personally Gregory Brenes, he run for Burgos team, my land, so a I could have some friendship. He was in the UCI team as well than in the Burgos, he is talented, but he is no so talented as Quintana, so... he was in Movistar continental, but he is not in Movistar world Tour, he is just running for a local team.... He is clean, but: Colombia, costa rica, venezuela, etc.. are not clean countries, is another culture still, it is more difficult today to win Vuelta a Colombia or Clásico RCN than Pais Vasco. Portugal, Asturias,... is not so diferent, and he run in that countries, so difficult to win.
You can speculate all you want, but dont pretend to have the truth. it is just your opinion
Of course the are still some doping, but sometimes things are diferent at what they look... sometimes you see a movie and de murderer is not who you though
If a team is dominant in a doping era, yes, they must be doping, but if a team is dominant in a no doping era, and they dont produce inhuman watagges, they could won all the calendar... that is not a real motive of incredulity, just a motive of: guau, very good. You can speculate, ok, it is your decissión, but put in the other hand all the possibilities. If you do that, no problem.
Thing have changed froom 2008, slowly, it is true, but changed, It is not so easy to change that in a month, and the last two years are quite clean, you can win the the Tour or whatever been clean if you are really good.
When I read Hamilton´s book, I was surprised that there was clean people then winning things, importants things sometimes.
You can use Aicar,.. well, you can do the same than Aicar with good nutritionist around you.
Aicar is good if you are lazy, it helps, but dont change your engine, and dont make you better at the end of a Tour. Blood bags and EPO do that. I d say some cyclist are using that, I am not sure, but is quite possible...
It is true, UCI is wasting less money today in controls... but the riders are worried, is it not that a good sign?
I live in Spain, here, most of riders saw normal to dope, part of the work, we were an important country in doping, maybe no more than others, but my country has good doctors, and sport deals money... Things have changed in Spain for young riders, and in general in cycling, but here that is difficult. Has SKY got ilegal secrets?... I dont belive it, but It is possible, but you have to consider that maybe no. Other way it has no sense to talk with you about this.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Aicar is good if you are lazy, it helps, but dont change your engine, and dont make you better at the end of a Tour.

I think the point was it does change your engine. And there's a lot more than Aicar around - like testosterone, cortisone, insulin, HgH, etc. They can definitely change your engine.

Anything that helps you train harder for longer helps you at the end of a Tour.

Blood bags and EPO do that. I d say some cyclist are using that, I am not sure, but is quite possible...

If the sports scientists are publishing papers proving you can dodge the BP doing so, I imagine that's a safe bet.

It is true, UCI is wasting less money today in controls... but the riders are worried, is it not that a good sign?

The last few riders talking about the BP on CN were not worried, they were surprised that they had not been tested for weeks and months at a time.

Where have you read about riders being worried?

 

[The Hitch]

Thing have changed froom 2008, slowly

Did you mean

froom has changed into this thing since 2008

Also, why do you say Colombia is a dirty country?

 

[hrotha]

I wouldn't bother engaging him if I were you, folks. He likes arguing and riling people up.

 

[the sceptic]

His spelling is surprisingly bad for a british person. Its like someone google translated a mastersracer post to another language and then back to english.

 

[Taxus4a]

Did you mean


Also, why do you say Colombia is a dirty country?

Oh my god, people told me this was an important forum.. I don't want to be presumptuous, but some people advice me to dont put my article in the clinic, so people going to attack. I said: I am not afraid, just for my english... but.. I thought I'd find here people whom was not necessary to explain some things.

Sorry about..., maybe you are just a person who just want to know, and no one of those ****ing winkers (wiggo said) who think they know how thinks are working and want to be judges, and dont have really any idea but have to blame and insult into cycling.
Your name is familiar to me here, but anyway I dont Know you, so I am sorry if you are not one of them...

Well, Colombia is a official clean country, or Venezuela, or Costa Rica, so...you can belive me or not... inside the peloton, riders know how things are in each country...

I have doubts about doping right know, but I have some things for sure

For colombian riders was hard the EPO era in Europe, they had an advantage, and EPO finished that.
Colombian riders who ride well in Europe, in the Worldtour and Proconti teams as Rigo, Henao, Quintana,...I have follow Rigo and Henao since 19 years old, they are very good riders. I thought Rigo will be a Tour winner those years,...Henao even won Vuelta a Colombia...if he was clean.. he must be really good, but Infantino was better sometimes... why is not Infantino in Europe if he is almost so good as Henao, and Henao is top ten in the Giro?

For example, an european rider who was in Tachira this year told me: they offered me interchange cyclist clothes for EPO...and: oh man, there (in Europe) you can't use neddles, can you (he refers not just neddles, but EPO) ?? and he thought: nor you can, but you do what you want...
What can you do? people is poor, has nothing to loss, the control is not the same than in other calendar, they dont want to be 2.1 UCI for something, but Sevilla is struggling there with the same level he won Vuelta a España...
They dont have the same metods than there were in Europe a few years ago, but they use medicin a lot, ilegal medicin.

But this is speculation, you can believe or not...
Right now if I go to a cyclotourist event here in Spain there are more doping than in professional road race...

I Know as well a costa rica (I dont Know in english) rider: he told me, if Contador came here, he cant win. He leaves road for doping, so he is now doing track and MTB sometimes, but he is not profesional, he has his own job apart...But one think is true: I remember him: but you were close to win the nacional road championship... you didnt follow my advices I told you the day before, but you were close to win.. and he told me:...yes... that is true.. and clean...

 

[Taxus4a]

His spelling is surprisingly bad for a british person. Its like someone google translated a mastersracer post to another language and then back to english.

I said that if someone ask me I tried to traslate everything.
So, I will do, but I think that you just need to follow the links to understand, and read the bad translation just to join the ideas; but yes, it lost quality. Some parts will be difficult for me to translate, and it will be no perfect maybe, but I will do.

But I am sceptic about you

 

[BroDeal]

Did Ryo take a knock to the head and start posting under a new name?

 

[Taxus4a]

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The last few riders talking about the BP on CN were not worried, they were surprised that they had not been tested for weeks and months at a time.

Where have you read about riders being worried?

If you say you are not tested, you are worried... or you imagine people saying that in the past?

 

[Taxus4a]

Hrotha is an "speculater-born" man.
But he is a good person.
He has a good intention.
He just dont like if he could be wrong, becouse he thinks he get conclusions, when he get really speculations.
Sometimes, anyway, he is brilliant, but nobody is perfect. The same for me.

He is anyway a good forum man, he give arguments and you can interchange things... that it is not always possible with a lot of people.

It is just my opinion , he said his opinion about me...

 

[Taxus4a]

Pat and Hein have done nothing to believe that the sport is cleaner.

They are people who have to leave, they are corrupt, but, the have been choosen among the cycling world for that.
But, incredible or not, nobody have done more for a clean cycling than them.
They put bio passport, they put surprising controls,...nobody did that before.
If the other man who was in the election, an spanish man, he born close to my village, Gregorio Moreno, he was good man anyway...I mean was, couse he is dead for cancer, would been the president... things hadnt changed anything in doping...
They have been very corrupts...yes, well, as a lot of people in the world, but that does not mean they didnt fight in the right direction againts doping.
JV was clear, cyclist is clean, but you must go away to be sure we can keep this.

(you use some expression I cant understand, sorry, please try to use another words as BP, CN,... )

 

[Bratam]

I was just watching this video interview of Chris Froome

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=IwC2JqDJFlE

Froome answers some questions about doping and i have to say that i find it difficult to see any suspicion of lying on his face. To my eyes, he is telling the truth. Now Compare it to any Armstrong interview and it was pretty obvious the guy was lying through his teeth all along (not just with hindsight either).

Now just before watching this Chris Froome interview, I saw an Andy Schleck interview here
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V0qZB1K9hpQ&feature=related

To my eyes, Andy has DOPER written all over his face. He mentions that Frank getting busted really frightened him and he admits his biggest challenge is getting back to his previous form. I wonder if Andy was previously doping is now going to try and race clean ? In any case, the Schleck brothers are very close and if one is busted using a masking agent, I suspect there is a very strong probability that the brother would not be missing out.

 

[Cimber]

I was just watching this video interview of Chris Froome

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=IwC2JqDJFlE

Froome answers some questions about doping and i have to say that i find it difficult to see any suspicion of lying on his face. To my eyes, he is telling the truth. Now Compare it to any Armstrong interview and it was pretty obvious the guy was lying through his teeth all along (not just with hindsight either).

Now just before watching this Chris Froome interview, I saw an Andy Schleck interview here
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V0qZB1K9hpQ&feature=related

To my eyes, Andy has DOPER written all over his face. He mentions that Frank getting busted really frightened him and he admits his biggest challenge is getting back to his previous form. I wonder if Andy was previously doping is now going to try and race clean ? In any case, the Schleck brothers are very close and if one is busted using a masking agent, I suspect there is a very strong probability that the brother would not be missing out.

The police should hire you I guess. No need for a polygraph.

 

[Bratam]

The police should hire you I guess. No need for a polygraph.

LMAO ! I should have mentioned that it was just my opinion. I have been wrong before and will be wrong again !

 

[argyllflyer]

Part of the Sky Master Plan is to train riders to lie more convincingly than Armstrong.

As nuts as that sounds, you'll not have to look too hard in here to find someone who'd believe it.

In light of the Flecha allegations, reading some of the crackpots on Twitter this morning trying to further link Rabobank (and all their dark arts) to Sky by more than association, it's clear that a number of British fans have a hatred of Sky that seems borne out of not wanting *their* sport to go mainstream here.

 

[Parrulo]

I was just watching this video interview of Chris Froome

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=IwC2JqDJFlE

Froome answers some questions about doping and i have to say that i find it difficult to see any suspicion of lying on his face. To my eyes, he is telling the truth. Now Compare it to any Armstrong interview and it was pretty obvious the guy was lying through his teeth all along (not just with hindsight either).

Now just before watching this Chris Froome interview, I saw an Andy Schleck interview here
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V0qZB1K9hpQ&feature=related

To my eyes, Andy has DOPER written all over his face. He mentions that Frank getting busted really frightened him and he admits his biggest challenge is getting back to his previous form. I wonder if Andy was previously doping is now going to try and race clean ? In any case, the Schleck brothers are very close and if one is busted using a masking agent, I suspect there is a very strong probability that the brother would not be missing out.

this reminds me of contador's talk show appearance

 

[gillan1969]

Part of the Sky Master Plan is to train riders to lie more convincingly than Armstrong.

As nuts as that sounds, you'll not have to look too hard in here to find someone who'd believe it.

In light of the Flecha allegations, reading some of the crackpots on Twitter this morning trying to further link Rabobank (and all their dark arts) to Sky by more than association, it's clear that a number of British fans have a hatred of Sky that seems borne out of not wanting *their* sport to go mainstream here.

...or it could be something to do with the commercial link to the national federation that compromises said federation's ability to make independent decisions, especially in relation to the UCI

....or it could be something to do with hiring a plethora of ex-dopers despite intentions never to do so..

.....or it could be something to do with Leinders

....or it could be something something to do with their current team leaders once being cannon fodder on the road

....or it could be something to do with the numbers their domestiques are churning to put said team leaders into winning positions...

.....or it could be something to do with the unfortunate and yet somehow undeniable repeated mantra from the eurosport commentators of "we've not seen riding like this since the days of US Postal"...(see paris-nice, see Tirreno, see Pais Vasco...and soon to be Romandie, Suisse, Italia and France)

so, whilst hatred might be too strong to describe what I feel...the above, combined with all I know about the last 20 years, leaves me with my scepto-meter registering dangerously high readings....

 

[The Hitch]

I was just watching this video interview of Chris Froome

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=IwC2JqDJFlE

Froome answers some questions about doping and i have to say that i find it difficult to see any suspicion of lying on his face. To my eyes, he is telling the truth. Now Compare it to any Armstrong interview and it was pretty obvious the guy was lying through his teeth all along (not just with hindsight either).

Now just before watching this Chris Froome interview, I saw an Andy Schleck interview here
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V0qZB1K9hpQ&feature=related

To my eyes, Andy has DOPER written all over his face. He mentions that Frank getting busted really frightened him and he admits his biggest challenge is getting back to his previous form. I wonder if Andy was previously doping is now going to try and race clean ? In any case, the Schleck brothers are very close and if one is busted using a masking agent, I suspect there is a very strong probability that the brother would not be missing out.

Did you see the kerrison interview? Do you think he is lying there?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Once he heard the news, he said that he approached the rider to ascertain what happened. "I spoke to Rob," he told Cyclingnews. "I looked him in the eyes and asked him straight up. He is absolutely devastated, he is in bits, as you would expect. But there is a process to go through and I have confidence in that process. I am sure in a few days time we will all be sitting there saying, 'okay, this has been resolved.'

Brailsford told the AFP that Hayles has always had "relatively high" natural hematocrit levels and he sympathized with Hayles' situation. "It's harsh, when you have to phone home and tell the missus what's happened – that's a hard phone call to make."

"Whilst it is not anything that we would wish to have happen, the systems are there to make sure that everything is kept above board. I am 100% behind it," said Brailsford to Cyclingnews.

Team-mate Bradley Wiggins also backed Hayles, expressing surprise. "It is a huge shock to everyone," he told journalists after he won the individual pursuit late on Wednesday. "We found out earlier. It's a shock to him most of all, he is absolutely gutted. Unfortunately under these circumstances people just assume the worst-case scenarioÂ…it is one of those things.

"Rob is one of the longest-serving riders on this programme and one of the cleanest guys around. It is just a huge shame that it happens to someone like him. But he has a great family around him and I am sure he will be back."

Brailsford stated that British Cycling has a long series of hematological tests on its riders and that there was nothing to ever suggest that something was amiss. Until the results of follow-up tests are known, however, there will be a question mark over Hayles and a degree of extra pressure on the team.

"We will get on with the racing," Brailsford stated, playing down any suggestions that this will distract the riders from the task at hand. "I think this is an issue for Rob, this is an issue for me to deal with and this is an issue for the back room to deal with. But in terms of racing, this won't have any effect whatsoever on the team."

The bold parts could be telling.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brailsford-wiggins-back-hayles-after-exclusion-from-worlds
Cleanest.

 

[Taxus4a]

Part of the Sky Master Plan is to train riders to lie more convincingly than Armstrong.

As nuts as that sounds, you'll not have to look too hard in here to find someone who'd believe it.

In light of the Flecha allegations, reading some of the crackpots on Twitter this morning trying to further link Rabobank (and all their dark arts) to Sky by more than association, it's clear that a number of British fans have a hatred of Sky that seems borne out of not wanting *their* sport to go mainstream here.

One of your plan is to kill my mother, so I will try to kill you before. Be carefull

 

[Cycle Chic]

South African Connection

So another result for Daryl Impey - good friend of Froomes....both in the south African stable - I predict a good year for Mr Impey.

 

[peterst6906]

So another result for Daryl Impey - good friend of Froomes....both in the south African stable - I predict a good year for Mr Impey.

That's yesterdays news. 104th today at 10:19 down on Henao. Anyway, it could be a good year for Impey, but that's not Sky related.

 

[badboygolf16v]

it's clear that a number of British fans have a hatred of Sky that seems borne out of not wanting *their* sport to go mainstream here.

You've just made that up. It's ********.

 

[Bratam]

Part of the Sky Master Plan is to train riders to lie more convincingly than Armstrong.

As nuts as that sounds, you'll not have to look too hard in here to find someone who'd believe it.

Yes indeed that could well be the case. Especially if they are extremely confident that they will not and (can not) be caught.

 

[maxmartin]

I was just watching this video interview of Chris Froome

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=IwC2JqDJFlE

Froome answers some questions about doping and i have to say that i find it difficult to see any suspicion of lying on his face. To my eyes, he is telling the truth. Now Compare it to any Armstrong interview and it was pretty obvious the guy was lying through his teeth all along (not just with hindsight either).

Now just before watching this Chris Froome interview, I saw an Andy Schleck interview here
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V0qZB1K9hpQ&feature=related

To my eyes, Andy has DOPER written all over his face. He mentions that Frank getting busted really frightened him and he admits his biggest challenge is getting back to his previous form. I wonder if Andy was previously doping is now going to try and race clean ? In any case, the Schleck brothers are very close and if one is busted using a masking agent, I suspect there is a very strong probability that the brother would not be missing out.

LOL Are you a high-ranked FBI criminal profiler? What background do you have make you think you can detect lies from an interview? Don't tell me it is guts feeling.