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Franklin

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Kenyan altitude training seems to agree with him, and it seems to work for a few other long distance athletes.
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Now there's no proof that Froome goes there because of the doping environment... but it's quite clear that Kenya is defitely rife with doping:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...thletes-under-scrutiny-in-doping-inquiry.html

Kisorio confessed and levelled a wide range of accusations saying doping was rife in Kenya with doctors corrupting athletes. “They open a pharmacy and claim they’re selling legal medication” he said. “Then they approach the athletes. It’s the same all over the country. Athletics Kenya knows now what the situation is. Maybe this is an ongoing problem that finally surfaces.”
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the sceptic

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So Froome is gonna be in crap shape for most of the year, until he shows up in july to destroy everyone. And it will be ok, because it was only the blood disease that held him back. :rolleyes:
 
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Well.... there's the source and then there's the "source".
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You might want to add this little bit as well from the supposed Vuelta positive.



While a supposedly clean rider was cleared, the error means that another athlete, who likely was taking banned substances, slipped through the testing protocol (the report does not indicate if it was a cyclist or someone from another sport).


http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...ng-after-error-leads-to-false-positive_269632
 
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xcleigh said:
You might want to add this little bit as well from the supposed Vuelta positive.



While a supposedly clean rider was cleared, the error means that another athlete, who likely was taking banned substances, slipped through the testing protocol (the report does not indicate if it was a cyclist or someone from another sport).


http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...ng-after-error-leads-to-false-positive_269632
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Thanks.

But there's more. Maybe at the T&R hearing it might come out....

Hope so. Cycling has not changed since 2002. Trust me. Today's UCIIC hearing is evident that's nothing changed.

Cycling is still sick.
 
thehog

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When is the T&R likely going to be?
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UCI will stall. Drag it out by 60 days.

The report from the UCIIC is due in June. They can only take evidence until April.

No one has stepped forward an the UCI are withholding documents.

T&R more than likely wont happen. The UCI hold the Headmasters cane. No one is to step out of line and tell the truth.
 
Cycle Chic

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-sky-tour-de-france?CMP=twt_gu

"I kept getting sick so something wasn't right. I'd gone to Kenya to see family and did the normal UCI blood passport tests. At the same time I said to the doctor, 'Can't you scan for anything that's not right in my blood?' He came back straight away and said you're riddled with bilharzia. It feeds on your red blood cells, so for an endurance athlete it's basically doing the opposite of what EPO does. It was a nightmare."
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Goes to Kenya...names himself as en 'endurance athlete'...not cyclist...and mentions...EPO.

nb. Froome's Head is hgh'ing.
 
Fearless Greg Lemond

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Ferminal said:
Another slow start to the season I guess...
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For Chris it indeed was a slow start...

Funny how his story is changed/changing over time:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9586/Chris-Froome-The-Vuelta-is-a-big-milestone-in-my-career.aspx

''Froome's situation is also better, as he was affected by Bilharzia, a disease caused by parasitic worms. He got it in November 2010 when visiting his native country, Kenya. "I've had to repeat the treatment after the Tour de Suisse and I hope it's over now," he says
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Other source:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-still-battling-parasitic-infection

and now we have teamskyfans aka the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-sky-tour-de-france?CMP=twt_gu
''Froome did not race another Tour de France until last summer because, for almost three years, he was affected by an undetected strain of bilharzia – a parasitic disease often found in Africa. "I kept getting sick so something wasn't right. I'd gone to Kenya to see family and did the normal UCI blood passport tests.At the same time I said to the doctor, 'Can't you scan for anything that's not right in my blood?' He came back straight away and said you're riddled with bilharzia. It feeds on your red blood cells, so for an endurance athlete it's basically doing the opposite of what EPO does. It was a nightmare."''
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When one has bilharzia for three years one would not be able to ride a bike for at least 60 races a season is my belief:
http://www.health24.com/Medical/Diseases/Bilharzia-20120721
Symptoms
Within days of becoming infected with the bilharzia parasite, a rash or itchy skin (swimmer’s itch) may appear. This normally settles spontaneously. Within another month or two a person who has been infected may experience fatigue, fever, chills, cough, muscle aches, abdominal pain, diarrhoea, dysentery and blood in the urine. This phase coincides with the maturation of the worms in the body, and is called Katayama fever.

In chronic bilhazia, it is the body’s reaction to the worm’s eggs, laid in the liver, intestine or bladder, that causes the symptoms associated with bilharzia. Eggs are rarely found in the brain.

Blood in the urine is a clear indication of urinary bilharzia, and is the commonest symptom of this type of bilharzia. In the case of intestinal bilharzia, symptoms may initially be so atypical that diagnosis is difficult. If left untreated, these symptoms can lead to serious complications of the liver and spleen.

Blood in the urine is a clear indication of urinary bilharzia. In the case of intestinal bilharzia, symptoms may initially be so atypical that diagnosis is difficult. If left untreated, these symptoms can lead to serious complications of the liver and spleen.
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And we are to believe it was undetected for 3 years? Thank you the Guardian.

Let's see how many treatments he will have to do this season. Maybe we can set a nice baseline. We know he had one januari 15th this year and is peaking since 6 weeks, februari 12th that is.

To make a good timeline:
* 3 years sick/undetected bilharzia/****ing blood or having liver damage
* treatment in june 2011 after tour de Suisse
* detected november 2010

That would mean he was sick at the Tour 2008 where he had that third week TT result people are referring to when they adress his 'capabilities'?
 
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Does bilharzia have a come-and-go effect (for want of better words)? I.e. can symptoms disappear for a few weeks/months and then come back?

That appears to be the only possible explanation for anything he did in 2008, that it magically stayed away for the entire season and then came roaring back. Let's see how Froome's defenders answer this one.
 
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Does bilharzia have a come-and-go effect (for want of better words)? I.e. can symptoms disappear for a few weeks/months and then come back?

That appears to be the only possible explanation for anything he did in 2008, that it magically stayed away for the entire season and then came roaring back. Let's see how Froome's defenders answer this one.
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Skybots have home quiet since the weekend.

Bilharzia is a odd diesese but basically follows the ProTour calendar. It generally comes before the Tour during pre-season and goes away a few weeks before July.

Whenever passport samples are to be collected it comes back.

Works on a 8-12 week cycle.
 
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thehog said:
Skybots have home quiet since the weekend.

Bilharzia is a odd diesese but basically follows the ProTour calendar. It generally comes before the Tour during pre-season and goes away a few weeks before July.

Whenever passport samples are to be collected it comes back.

Works on a 8-12 week cycle.
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Indeed its a great way to explain weird swings in your bio-passport....
 
veganrob

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Froome is definitely a medical experiment. It can't last too long. When the wheels come off of him man better watch out
 
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