Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[The Hitch]

So Wiggins spending 3 years as Lance's number 1 cheerleader, isn't circumstancial evidence.

Wiggins saying Landis was lying when he KNEW Landis was telling the truth means nothing? defending dopers while winning the Tour de France means nothing.

Perhaps you would like to explain to us why Wiggins so heroworshipped Lance and said it was an honour to finish behind Contador in 09 (having attacked Brunyeel 2 years earlier) if he wasnt doping.

 

[the sceptic]

Stuff like, people acussin, stuff like, circumstantial, evidence and stuff.

Perhaps read up, learn a little about what it is you're trying to say then you may not be laughed at.

Now what is it are you trying to say?

I think he is just trolling. I will have no choice but to report him to the mods if he keeps this up.

He can accuse riders of doping "without evidence", but when anyone else does the same against his favourite riders we get this cry for evidence. If that isnt trolling then I dont know what is.

By the way. Del. Does hiring Leinders count as circumstantial evidence or not?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I think most of the Sky defenders just lack the honesty to say: Yes, they dope, but guess what? we do not give a ****.

 

[thehog]

I think he is just trolling. I will have no choice but to report him to the mods if he keeps this up.

He can accuse riders of doping "without evidence", but when anyone else does the same against his favourite riders we get this cry for evidence. If that isnt trolling then I dont know what is.

By the way. Del. Does hiring Leinders count as circumstantial evidence or not?

I think the next line in LA defence 101 is that is "hearsay".

Lies made up by former disgruntled ex Rabo riders.

They have a axe to grind.

In all sincerity I don't really understand this evidence thingy and stuff.

Observation and datasets will bring you close to the truth on Froome & Sky.

With that Froome, in my opinion, is a doper through and through.

No doubt about it.

 

[sniper]

Why drag Armstrong in, there was evidence againt him, you would do better not to bring it up as it kinda makes you look a bit dumb imho

Thread doesn't bother me as it is just groundless accusations, but is always a good laugh to see what the dopeborgs come up with next

Whats groundless about history?
ignoring it is groundless.

 

[the sceptic]

“We saw what the time gaps were like with a time trial of just over 30km in this year’s Tour, in the first flat time trial. You can only imagine what the time gaps are going to be like in the 50km time trial and the pure climbers are going to have to battle with that,” Froome told reporters in Saitama on Friday evening.

Luckily Froome is both a pure climber and a pure ITTer

I can only imagine Froome beating Quintana by 6 minutes.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Luckily Froome is both a pure climber and a pure ITTer

I can only imagine Froome beating Quintana by 6 minutes.

He's so smug, I hate it

 

[peloton]

Luckily Froome is both a pure climber and a pure ITTer

I can only imagine Froome beating Quintana by 6 minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if he won by 10+ minutes...

Just another funny thing, Contador, a rider who was considered one of the most talented GT rider of his generation, never won a mountain stage by more than 43 seconds, even in his dominant GT (Verbier -09 43sec, Angliru -08 42sec)

Ax 3 Domaines in July:

Result
1 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 5:03:18
2 Richie Porte (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:00:51
3 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:08
4 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Belkin Pro Cycling Team 0:01:10
5 Laurens Ten Dam (Ned) Belkin Pro Cycling Team 0:01:16
6 Mikel Nieve Ituralde (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:01:34
7 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Team Saxo-Tinkoff 0:01:45
8 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Team Saxo-Tinkoff
9 Nairo Alexander Quintana Rojas (Col) Movistar Team
10 Igor Anton Hernandez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
11 Joaquim Rodriguez Oliver (Spa) Katusha 0:02:06
12 Rui Alberto Faria Da Costa (Por) Movistar Team 0:02:28

 

[thehog]

I wouldn't be surprised if he won by 10+ minutes...

Just another funny thing, Contador, a rider who was considered one of the most talented GT rider of his generation, never won a mountain stage by more than 43 seconds, even in his dominant GT (Verbier -09 43sec, Angliru -08 42sec)

Ax 3 Domaines in July:

Result
1 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 5:03:18
2 Richie Porte (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:00:51
3 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:08
4 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Belkin Pro Cycling Team 0:01:10
5 Laurens Ten Dam (Ned) Belkin Pro Cycling Team 0:01:16
6 Mikel Nieve Ituralde (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:01:34
7 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Team Saxo-Tinkoff 0:01:45
8 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Team Saxo-Tinkoff
9 Nairo Alexander Quintana Rojas (Col) Movistar Team
10 Igor Anton Hernandez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
11 Joaquim Rodriguez Oliver (Spa) Katusha 0:02:06
12 Rui Alberto Faria Da Costa (Por) Movistar Team 0:02:28

Correct. This would be good for the “Climbing Speeds” thread.

Relationship between 1st place and time between 2nd down to 10th cross referenced over the years.

The Dawg is superior in every way.

He has come a long way since climbing sideways up mountains.

He’ll probably smash the cobbles Cancellera style as well and win that stage.

 

[martinvickers]

Correct. This would be good for the “Climbing Speeds” thread.

Relationship between 1st place and time between 2nd down to 10th cross referenced over the years.

The Dawg is superior in every way.

He has come a long way since climbing sideways up mountains.

He’ll probably smash the cobbles Cancellera style as well and win that stage.

Actually, that is not a bad idea - mean gaps would be interesting - gaps between 1,2,3 on a stage, and 1,2,3 in the GC from the summit finishes and TT. Don't know if it would indicate anything, but interesting.

 

[thehog]

Actually, that is not a bad idea - mean gaps would be interesting - gaps between 1,2,3 on a stage, and 1,2,3 in the GC from the summit finishes and TT. Don't know if it would indicate anything, but interesting.

Agreed. Not sure if shows much. Maybe if 1 or 2 teams have full programs vs indivdual doping. Or it could just be one or two teams have hired bigger firepower.

 

[Rollthedice]

Agreed. Not sure if shows much. Maybe if 1 or 2 teams have full programs vs indivdual doping. Or it could just be one or two teams have hired bigger firepower.

Well, for me it shows enough. I just saw again the gap to poor Alberto. Let's not forget Richie who smashed the whole bunch with the tempo and finished second.

 

[martinvickers]

Agreed. Not sure if shows much. Maybe if 1 or 2 teams have full programs vs indivdual doping. Or it could just be one or two teams have hired bigger firepower.

It may well show nothing - but then i never expected the TTT to be such a dead give away as it actually looks in that study...It does occur to me that the big engines can just pull their team around - Canc,Martin, Wiggins all have done so.

 

[thehog]

Well, for me it shows enough. I just saw again the gap to poor Alberto. Let's not forget Richie who smashed the whole bunch with the tempo and finished second.

Yes. I think Porte on Ax3 was worse than Froome. If you watch that video again don't look at Froome or Porte. Keep your eyes on the rest. On Contador and everyone else. They are at absolutely threshold just trying to hold Porte and Froome's wheel.

Fairly compelling.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Yes. I think Porte on Ax3 was worse than Froome. If you watch that video again don't look at Froome or Porte. Keep your eyes on the rest. On Contador and everyone else. They are at absolutely threshold just trying to hold Porte and Froome's wheel.

Fairly compelling.

No, it was just amusement. Wonder what Walsh will write in his chrismass cycling book on the reaction of the collective press on that day. Ooops, he was on Dave Brailsfords lap at the time. Too bad.

It was la Fleche Walonne 1994 all over again. UCI must have rang during the evening: ''dont overdo it boyzzzz''.

 

[del1962]

Yes. I think Porte on Ax3 was worse than Froome. If you watch that video again don't look at Froome or Porte. Keep your eyes on the rest. On Contador and everyone else. They are at absolutely threshold just trying to hold Porte and Froome's wheel.

Fairly compelling.

To be fair Contador was struggling to hold his tem mate Kreuzinger's wheel

 

[LaFlorecita]

To be fair Contador was struggling to hold his tem mate Kreuzinger's wheel

And Kreuziger was struggling to hold Froome's wheel. Your point?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

To be fair Contador was struggling to hold his tem mate Kreuzinger's wheel

Can you explain to me the stable riding of Kreuziger - former Liquigas/Astana - GC wise versus the sudden rise of Froome. Do take into account Kreuziger trained with Ferrari and hasnt yet been targeted by the biopass, for all we know that is.

Kreuziger who was top ten Tour when Chrissie was scrapping left to right on San Luca in 2009?

Can you explain this?

 

[del1962]

Can you explain to me the stable riding of Kreuziger - former Liquigas/Astana - GC wise versus the sudden rise of Froome. Do take into account Kreuziger trained with Ferrari and hasnt yet been targeted by the biopass, for all we know that is.

Kreuziger who was top ten Tour when Chrissie was scrapping left to right on San Luca in 2009?

Can you explain this?

How could you know whether he has or hasn't been targeted for testing?

 

[del1962]

And Kreuziger was struggling to hold Froome's wheel. Your point?

My point is Contador's form wasn't that good.

 

[LaFlorecita]

My point is Contador's form wasn't that good.

Does that make Sky's performance any less ridiculous? Contador's form is an entirely seperate discussion. Maybe he could've finished at a minute had he been in better form

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

How could you know whether he has or hasn't been targeted for testing?

Dear Del. It aint polite to answer a question with a question. But, if you dont have an answer to my polite question I would understand. So you are excused for your question.

Question number two for you Del.

Del, do you think Kreuziger is a doper?

 

[del1962]

Dear Del. It aint polite to answer a question with a question. But, if you dont have an answer to my polite question I would understand. So you are excused for your question.

Question number two for you Del.

Del, do you think Kreuziger is a doper?

I have no idea, obvioulsy having visited schumi is not a good sign nor is working for Riis.

 

[peloton]

I have no idea, obvioulsy having visited schumi is not a good sign nor is working for Riis.

And how is that's different from working with Leinders and Yates/Julich?

 

[del1962]

And how is that's different from working with Leinders and Yates/Julich?

I am sorry if you dont understand the difference to working with a sanctioned doctor and the different rep Riis has then I can't help you