Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[the sceptic]

del. please stop trolling this thread

regards,

everyone

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I have no idea.

Thanks for that honest answer Del, was it hard? I bet not.

Well, I do sincerely doubt Kreuziger. No one trains for fun with Ferrari.

But, how come this GB hero is beating this former Ferrari client left right and centre since lets say the end of 2011?
Has Kreuziger had a sudden drop in performance the last years?

Or should we say this Ferrari client has always been clean and due to the lack of good training he is now been catched by the swimming coach training sessions?

Or...

 

[timmers]

And how is that's different from working with Leinders and Yates/Julich?

It is very different as Leinders was the Sky race doctor at some races and Yates a DS in races and Julich a Sky race coach. So if you were a rider on Team Sky you would possibly end up having to work with them as part of your job.

Very different from going outside the team support staff to work with a banned doctor.

Now Sky using Leinders was stupid but there has been no evidence (apart from Sky winning) that he was running a doping programme for any Sky riders.

And I thought Wiggins worked with Ferrari anyway. But this has not being confirmed by the poster who said this.

 

[thehog]

It is very different as Leinders was the Sky race doctor at some races and Yates a DS in races and Julich a Sky race coach. So if you were a rider on Team Sky you would possibly end up having to work with them as part of your job.

Very different from going outside the team support staff to work with a banned doctor.

Now Sky using Leinders was stupid but there has been no evidence (apart from Sky winning) that he was running a doping programme for any Sky riders.

And I thought Wiggins worked with Ferrari anyway. But this has not being confirmed by the poster who said this.

Leinders was the race Doctor at Sky? Really? then why was he not at the Tour and only contracted for 80 days.

Sounds very periphery to me.

Was he ever on their website of staff?

 

[Alex76]

And I thought Wiggins worked with Ferrari anyway. But this has not being confirmed by the poster who said this.

Ummmmm - is there any truth in that statement?

 

[peloton]

I am sorry if you dont understand the difference to working with a sanctioned doctor and the different rep Riis has then I can't help you

Leinders case is going to court soon

What makes Riis different to Julich? Both admitted doping. Yates is still working with some Sky riders. Yates saying he never saw any doping while on Riis' team, AND on Discovery, Astana AND on Sky?

I used to believe in miracles too.

It's -99 again, but with a British accent. UKPostal.

 

[thehog]

Ummmmm - is there any truth in that statement?

Probably

 

[ferryman]

Ummmmm - is there any truth in that statement?

Not without evidence. So let's nip this one in bud. No more accusations without evidence on this one folks.

 

[timmers]

Leinders was the race Doctor at Sky? Really? then why was he not at the Tour and only contracted for 80 days.

Sounds very periphery to me.

Was he ever on their website of staff?

Probably because he was only contracted for 80 days. But you have researched this and probably know the answer to your own questions. I can't be bothered looking because no one has any evidence that Leinders was facilitating doping for Sky riders. But if you have the evidence get it out and I will forward it to UKAD and the UCI.

 

[thehog]

Probably because he was only contracted for 80 days. But you have researched this and probably know the answer to your own questions. I can't be bothered looking because no one has any evidence that Leinders was facilitating doping for Sky riders. But if you have the evidence get it out and I will forward it to UKAD and the UCI.

Thanks. Just left them a voicemail.

 

[Benotti69]

Probably because he was only contracted for 80 days. But you have researched this and probably know the answer to your own questions. I can't be bothered looking because no one has any evidence that Leinders was facilitating doping for Sky riders. But if you have the evidence get it out and I will forward it to UKAD and the UCI.

Is this to become Sky fans new mantra?

Sorry, but cycling doesn't work like that. Plenty of people have gone forward to sporting feds with evidence of doping only to be ignored at best or ostracised from the sport.

I guess UKAD would really welcome evidence that Brailsford runs doping and then they would publicise this and undermine the whole of GB cycling and all their medals from the olympics and worlds where they have dominated for what the last 10 years?

Yes, of course they will.

 

[Benotti69]

Joerg Jaksche (@jaksche)

@Digger_forum when Brailsford said doping cant compete with the 'positiv' effects of hard training i lost my faith in cycling's renewal..

Another Sky myth, doping cannot compete with 'hard' training

 

[thehog]

Another Sky myth, doping cannot compete with 'hard' training

The man knows.

 

[sniper]

Credits not necessarily to sky/brailsford though. I think that myth is straight from the usps/hein verbruggen rethorics book.

 

[The Hitch]

Funny, confirmed cheat David Millar says he knows 100% sky are clean because he likes them. Headline news.

Confirmed cheat jorg jackse says he doesn't trust it. You can hear the crickets chirp. The media and culture is clearly tilted in favour of the argument that sky is clean, regardless of whether there is any backup to it or not.

 

[Netserk]

lol Hitch why do you try to stay under the 20 line?

 

[del1962]

And who of Millar and Jackse is more likely to know what is happening at sky procyling, and who is more well known in the UK?

 

[Netserk]

And who of Millar and Jackse is more likely to know what is happening at sky procyling, and who is more well known in the UK?

And who has the most vested interests in Sky?

 

[del1962]

And who has the most vested interests in Sky?

Doesn't matter hardly anyone in Britain have heard of Jackse, why should the media be interested in what he has to say, he has no contacts in sky?

Hois tweeting is only something to excite the dopeborgs, now if Tyler said someting it might register

 

[timmers]

Is this to become Sky fans new mantra?

Sorry, but cycling doesn't work like that. Plenty of people have gone forward to sporting feds with evidence of doping only to be ignored at best or ostracised from the sport.

I guess UKAD would really welcome evidence that Brailsford runs doping and then they would publicise this and undermine the whole of GB cycling and all their medals from the olympics and worlds where they have dominated for what the last 10 years?

Yes, of course they will.

Well the only way we will have change in cycling is if those with evidence come forward and work through the process. But this is were you and I differ I don't see this evidence you say shows Brailsford runs doping and I certainly haven't seen it in GB's track programme.

But as I said if some riders on Sky have doped then I want them sanctioned.

You may have observed the fallout of the banking crisis in the UK and former banking leaders being ostracised. I am confident that the non-Sky press in the UK would publish evidence of doping in Team Sky and and GB cycling.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Well the only way we will have change in cycling is if those with evidence come forward and work through the process. But this is were you and I differ I don't see this evidence you say shows Brailsford runs doping and I certainly haven't seen it in GB's track programme.

But as I said if some riders on Sky have doped then I want them sanctioned.

You may have observed the fallout of the banking crisis in the UK and former banking leaders being ostracised. I am confident that the non-Sky press in the UK would publish evidence of doping in Team Sky and and GB cycling.

If there was enough evidence to cross the threshold, there would be a rush to publish. They would do it with a smile on their faces, to get Murdoch into more trouble.

 

[The Hitch]

Yeah cos the non sky press have been so.impartial on sky so far.

Oh wait

 

[The Hitch]

Doesn't matter hardly anyone in Britain have heard of Jackse, why should the media be interested in what he has to say, he has no contacts in sky?

Hois tweeting is only something to excite the dopeborgs, now if Tyler said someting it might register

on what basis do you dismiss jackse that way?

Why on earth is jackse "just trying to excite doperborgs" while Millar is telling the truth. Do you have any arguments to back that up.

also is Michael Rasmussen also someone clueless on what pro cycling is like today ?

Please enlighten us on why he should not be trusted either and why only British cheats can be trusted.

 

[Netserk]

Please enlighten us on why he should not be trusted either and why only British cheats with vested interests can be trusted.

Fixed that for you

 

[roundabout]

Geez, it's Jaksche.

No need to butcher his name.