Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[blackcat]

I repeat, it is second only in stature to the baby Giro.

Just from the opening 2006 stage:
1 Matthew Goss (Aus) Australia 2.37.50
2 Oscar Gatto (Ita) Italy
3 Anders Lund (Den) Denmark
4 Dymytriy Grabovskiy (Ukr) Ukraine
5 Greg Van Avermaet (Bel) Belgium
6 Andre Steensen (Den) Denmark
7 Francesco Gavazzi (Ita) Italy

Time to either take that foot out of your mouth, or keep digging that hole.
Knowing how you so love to be contradicted, stop, if you strike oil.

baby giro, came back in about 2008. but for about 7 years, it was not on. Regioni was it. it was the elite race for the espoirs. and in the early period of the 2000 decade, the East Euros went to Italy for the espoir teams. Now some go to Spain.like their tennis players.

and regioni was sub23.
lávenir was pro and national teams, and u26 I think.

so Hog, need to read up

and everyone knows that Italy is where its at, for u23 racing. The strongest racing for the espoirs.

akin to coup de france races

 

[ferryman]

I appreciate your posts Froome19, Iwas an initial promoter of chris froome too.

but we need to be honest. Froome, like the rest, is getting the medical preparation too. but he is competing on the same terms. I hope he wins the Tour this year. He should have won last year.

Meat 2012, and wins 2013.

big ups to Froome

You are a hard man to decipher Blackcat, but I think I get you I think, that is

 

[ferryman]

Anyone want to call tosspot on this guy?

He's a bit too eurocool for school.

I'm sorry. Please accept my apologies.

You're a europhile and I didn't know.

I won't argue with you again.

Non che credo.

Hog, you really must stop using personal abuse. You can usually argue back without this. Please refrain

 

[thehog]

Hog, you really must stop using personal abuse. You can usually argue back without this. Please refrain

Point being. And let's all be honest. No one and I mean no one on this board has heard of the race before.

Seriously is there a thread on the Professional forum in regards to the race?

I've lived in Italy. I know how the circuit works.

The first poster to bring the race forward was Froome19. All I did was say it was an U23 race and not a senior Pro race.

It's provincial by the mere fact it doesn't pass through a major city.

Froome won one stage of said race.

Appears most are arguing with me for the sake of arguing rather than looking at whether the winning one stage constitutes future GT winner.

In my opinion, no. It's means little of future form.

1m.25s off the lead in a very very short stage race means little.

People want to argue me down because I'm right. Seriously has anyone really heard of the race before or not?

That should tell you all you need to know.

 

[blackcat]

Hog, I had.

Ashley Humbert had a stage win I think, Dawson also may have won a stage. Simon Clarke won the prologue one year.

It was effectively, the u23 version of Tour de L'Avenir.

perhaps, the strongest stage race, of the espoirs, with Thuringen Rundfahrt.

when there was still the baby giro in early 2000 late 90s, Scott Davis came third in that.

 

[thehog]

Hog, I had.

Ashley Humbert had a stage win I think, Dawson also may have won a stage. Simon Clarke won the prologue one year.

It was effectively, the u23 version of Tour de L'Avenir.

perhaps, the strongest stage race, of the espoirs, with Thuringen Rundfahrt.

when there was still the baby giro in early 2000 late 90s, Scott Davis came third in that.

I'm sure it is.

Do you remember Froome's victory and how he won his stage? Any details on that?

Did you think, "darn" that boy got it, one day if he keeps it all together he might just win the Tour.

Anyone see Contador win a stage of the TDU? The way he won that you just knew he was going to be a star. Drugs or no drugs.

If anyone can dig me up a Froome thread from 2008/09 on any forums anywhere in the world I'll stand corrected.

Alien.

Most here argue with me because I'm theHog. Rationale goes out the window.

Be less intent in proving me wrong and show me where people thought he was a champion in the waiting.

 

[blackcat]

he did have an auspicious first tour tho hog.

 

[ferryman]

Point being. And let's all be honest. No one and I mean no one on this board has heard of the race before.

Seriously is there a thread on the Professional forum in regards to the race?

I've lived in Italy. I know how the circuit works.

The first poster to bring the race forward was Froome19. All I did was say it was an U23 race and not a senior Pro race.

It's provincial by the mere fact it doesn't pass through a major city.

Froome won one stage of said race.

Appears most are arguing with me for the sake of arguing rather than looking at whether the winning one stage constitutes future GT winner.

In my opinion, no. It's means little of future form.

1m.25s off the lead in a very very short stage race means little.

People want to argue me down because I'm right. Seriously has anyone really heard of the race before or not?

That should tell you all you need to know.

Come on man, I'm not arguing against your other debates about the merits of those races. Just saying, don't let it stoop to petty abuse. That's all.

 

[thehog]

he did have an auspicious first tour tho hog.

In what way?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The trouble with you (Dear Wiggo has the same problem) is that when someone says something you pretend they said something else if it doesn't suit your argument.

I look forward to a single example of this.

 

[peterst6906]

I look forward to a single example of this.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=1075262#post1075262

Here's one. That meets the definition of a single example, though more can also be posted,

 

[blackcat]

In what way?

see the Queen Stage. climbing at the final HC ascent with heads of state.

Chronos very impressive.

 

[ebandit]

tat

People want to argue me down because I'm right. Seriously has anyone really heard of the race before or not?

only times that i have challenged yourself hog is when you have made stuff

up............which sadly has been often lately

but why are you so happy to insult others while yourself are so sensitive

to jibes?

 

[thehog]

see the Queen Stage. climbing at the final HC ascent with heads of state.

Chronos very impressive.

You're speaking retrospectively.

At the time did you think that the guy had the making of a GT winner?

I thought not.


Plenty of guys have climbed for one stage with the heads of state once in their careers. Doesn't make them go ET on us.

What's odd here is people are selecting one stage win they never even witnessed real time in a provincial U23 race saying it connects the dots to a GT winner.

Not buying it. That's the weakest link I've ever seen. Ever.

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

You're speaking retrospectively.

At the time did you think that the guy had the making of a GT winner?

I thought not.


Plenty of guys have climbed for one stage with the heads of state once in their careers. Doesn't make them go ET on us.

What's odd here is people are selecting one stage win they never even witnessed real time in a provincial U23 race saying it connects the dots to a GT winner.

Not buying it. That's the weakest link I've ever seen. Ever.

Even weaker than your Tennerife/Sky/Ferrari connection?

 

[Avoriaz]

You're speaking retrospectively.

What's odd here is people are selecting one stage win they never even witnessed real time in a provincial U23 race saying it connects the dots to a GT winner.

Good point, but can I ask you to play fair?

How many times have you posted about Froome weaving all over the road on ONE stage, after being overtaken by Gerrans, as proof that he is/was rubbish?

 

[Galic Ho]

he did have an auspicious first tour tho hog.

Half the Barloworld team fell off their bikes that year. John Lee Augustyn was their boy and he's practically vanished. Note he became their boy by default. Showed more promise than Geraint Thomas who was on the team and also Froome. Where did he go after he fell part way down that hill?

The big names on that team were Robbie Hunter and Juan Mauricio Soler Hernandez. Now let's assume some things about that Tour. Say Cadel and Carlos were clean. Say the Schleck's were clean. How does that explain Barloworld guys being none existent except for Augustyn? That had absolutely squat. Froome was what, 23 that year? How old is Tejay Van Garderen now? About the same age. How old was Andy Schleck? Same age.

Some people are born with it and are winners, even in a doped peloton. Others get their by taking to the more traveled road and in cycling that road is littered with shady medical shortcuts and doping doctors all too willing to pump you up to inhuman levels.

I'll go with what thehog said...Froome looks like an alien. Horrible to watch riding. It's ugly and just looks wrong. Limb proportions and body morphology is all weird...if this were high fashion modelling he'd be joked about by the public. But because it's sport...go figure.

 

[thehog]

Good point, but can I ask you to play fair?

How many times have you posted about Froome weaving all over the road on ONE stage, after being overtaken by Gerrans, as proof that he is/was rubbish?

You can.

But there is literally nothing else of Froome on video anywhere. That's how obscure he was. I wish there was video footage to counter the "weaving video" but there simply nothing of him until Close Encounters of the Froome Kind at the 2011 Vuelta.

If someone can show my some YouTube of Froome showing his potential I'll stand corrected.

Until that point we can only use the evidence at hand. The weaving video stands.

 

[ebandit]

model

I'll go with what thehog said...Froome looks like an alien. Horrible to watch riding. It's ugly and just looks wrong. Limb proportions and body morphology is all weird...if this were high fashion modelling he'd be joked about by the public. But because it's sport...go figure.

and if one had to look cool to post here....................you would not

be hearing from myself

but welcome back from your ban!

when was it necesary to pedal with charm on a bike to win..............

remember fast eddy?

 

[ebandit]

joining the dots

You can.

But there is literally nothing else of Froome on video anywhere. That's how obscure he was. I wish there was video footage to counter the "weaving video" but there simply nothing of him until Close Encounters of the Froome Kind at the 2011 Vuelta.

If someone can show my some YouTube of Froome showing his potential I'll stand corrected.

Until that point we can only use the evidence at hand. The weaving video stands.

but hog? why try and read so much into it...................and don't tell

everyone that it's proof of anything

 

[Galic Ho]

and if one had to look cool to post here....................you would not

be hearing from myself

but welcome back from your ban!

when was it necesary to pedal with charm on a bike to win..............

remember fast eddy?

There is one Blackcat on the forum. Mimicking him is so not cool if that is your intent. WTF is up with your posting style anyway? Makes less sense than Blackcat and his form is expected. I understood about half of your post...the first part is a blank. Sounds like you're talking to yourself.

Never been necessary to pedal with charm. Definitely necessary to get all those fans loving you though. Every fan loves a classy bike rider who looks at home on a bike. Nobody likes watching a praying mantis on a bike dope to his eyeballs. He looks so wrong on a bike it isn't funny.

Froome is form wise on a bike, PR wise in front of a camera and result and history wise one of the dumbest moves in cycling. The UCI and ASO should just say NO to everyone. Wiggins looks like certifiable gold next to Froome in all markets. I'd hate to be selling this stuff. Hate to be as my work would be cut out. Selling half the rest of the peloton is far easier to do. It's like they are just begging for garbage to come up once again. Watching him ride next to Contador and Valverde at the Vuelta was ugly. Purito's style trumped him as well. I'm not picking on the guy for being born with different limb dimensions, he just does not look like he should be on a bike.

Personally I can't wait for him to go full *** next year. He's already opened his account weeks back with his intentions for the Tour. He thinks he is the man. No stone will be left unturned. Next years Tour should by all accounts be absurd viewing. WWE will probably be taking notes on what to implement into their staged routines. Gonna be one interesting year 2013.

PS: found your recent posts on another thread. Guess you and Blackcat must have been separated at birth. I don't believe in coincidences, so you posting in the same fashion mulitple times ain't an accident. Doesn't matter, just means I have to decipher your intent and meaning when you post. BTW, if one wanted to be cool, posting on a forum, talking about doping in cycling, well that's really not the best way to go about it IMO. The last thing anything in Australia is right now is cool. It's hot. Really hot.

 

[ebandit]

sorry!

sorry! to challenge you gallic.........................

my thoughts were about performance.............not popularity

ps gallic did you really check out my previous posts?.........

.....too cool!.........................................a stalker!

 

[thehog]

I'll go with what thehog said...Froome looks like an alien. Horrible to watch riding. It's ugly and just looks wrong. Limb proportions and body morphology is all weird...if this were high fashion modelling he'd be joked about by the public. But because it's sport...go figure.

I agree. He look terrible on a bike. Doesn’t even look a little bit like a bike rider.

If he was the superstar TT’er and climbing ace that some are claiming I could understand him make some slight progression at the 2011 Vuelta. Hen faring better at the 2012 Tour.

But from zero to podium?

 

[will10]

see the Queen Stage. climbing at the final HC ascent with heads of state.

Chronos very impressive.

I have a Tour 2008 DVD and I I may be mistaken but I honestly don't think Froome appears on it at all. Trying to sell us his 2011/2012 seasons off the back of his 2008 Tour is laughable.

 

[thehog]

I have a Tour 2008 DVD and I I may be mistaken but I honestly don't think Froome appears on it at all. Trying to sell us his 2011/2012 seasons off the back of his 2008 Tour is laughable.

Sadly it appears many are trying to pass it off along with some obscure U23 race in Italy.

Like Liberty says. If Froome was Spanish he’d be called out by one and all as a fraud.