Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[thehog]

Myth≠Mystery: the numbers exist, but nobody on the outside knows them.

But I agree the numbers are bo valuable reference. Unless someone here has them and makes them known, for the sake of this thread.

Nobody must know.

It's a secret.

The secret of the Dawg.

How did he push these numbers if he was sick?

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[Dazed and Confused]

The 'clowns' you talk about still require a lot of talent to reach the top nowadays, if they only use sub-radar doping.

you can refer to them as you please, but in reality the vast majority would be peloton fodder without the juice. Froome = Peloton fodder without the juice.

Same with Rasmussen, Thomas Dekker etc.

 

[roundabout]

OK but I can say something different: I watched it live and at no point did I think Spilak looked like he was struggling or that Froome was doing the lion's share of the work. It was impressive nonetheless, and certainly in line with Froome's ability since 2011, which is the beginning of his leap, so it fits with the doping narrative.

As I said, it was subjective, that means other people can disagree

When the camera was on them Froome was on the front for about 80% of the time in the last 6km

 

[Cycle Chic]

Sky Plan

Err I have no idea what you are trying to say, but then I suspect neither have you. Rasch, Sutton and Kennaugh abandoned, Lopez worked at the front then dropped off, as did Porte.

I,m quite well aware of the Sky Ride and what happened on todays stage.

Lopez looked like he wasnt even trying - Lopez !! that's Lopez ! 2.20mins down.

When a tired Porte swung over at the head of the yellow jersey group two kilometres from the summit, it looked as if the Sky machine was on the verge of clogging up

Kiryienka - 20mins down

DNFJoshua Edmondson (GBr) Sky Procycling
DNFPeter Kennaugh (GBr) Sky Procycling
DNFGabriel Rasch (Nor) Sky Procycling
DNFChristopher Sutton (Aus) Sky Procycling

 

[Pentacycle]

Nobody must know.

It's a secret.

The secret of the Dawg.

How did he push these numbers if he was sick?

.

Ssshhhhh

It's not supposed to be said.

But, Froome was in Aigle in 2007.

Long before any parasite was close to him.

If you discount Phat Pat of course.

 

[BroDeal]

This place is going to be SO much fun come July. I mean, scene from Scanners fun....

It certainly will be. I'm going to laugh my ass off at the ever more fanciful excuses for the absurd. This is better than the Armstrong years ever were. Reading people attempting to prove Froome was a huge unrealized talent is comedy of the sort we have not seen since Jerry, George, Kramer, and Elaine hung it up.

 

[roundabout]

Cold, wet, mountainous stage. Only a TT to go. No surprise that 4 of them abandoned. Sky did look more "normal", but it's a stretch from that to some master plan to screw Froome.

 

[BYOP88]

Ssshhhhh

It's not supposed to be said.

But, Froome was in Aigle in 2007.

Long before any parasite was close to him.

If you discount Phat Pat of course.

He could've had it in 2007. After all he doesn't know the exact date he 'got it'.

 

[armchairclimber]

It certainly will be. I'm going to laugh my ass off at the ever more fanciful excuses for the absurd. This is better than the Armstrong years ever were. Reading people attempting to prove Froome was a huge unrealized talent is comedy of the sort we have not seen since Jerry, George, Kramer, and Elaine hung it up.

Yep, as funny as watching you maintain that the man is talentless.

 

[Ripper]

The 'clowns' you talk about still require a lot of talent to reach the top nowadays, if they only use sub-radar doping.

Talent is a sliding scale.

Racing a bike takes talent. Going pro at all takes talent. Racing a pro-tour stage race requires talent.

It also takes a certain 'talent' to be a super-responder to doping. Certainly someone who knows how to facilitate this (e.g. Ferrari) will 'exploit' such a talent to its fullest, and help it along as well.

 

[BroDeal]

Yep, as funny as watching you maintain that the man is talentless.

I am having a hard time deciding whether you are the replacement for Kramer or George. I am leaning toward George.

 

[armchairclimber]

I am having a hard time deciding whether you are the replacement for Kramer or George. I am leaning toward George.

Diddums

 

[martinvickers]

Diddums

I see Carnivale has started. Good stuff. Where can I buy some popcorn?

 

[thehog]

I expected Chris to top ten in the time trial, and be comfortably inside the top ten on the overall after today (which i said yesterday). My feeling was we would see Martin, Cancellara as the top two, then Wiggins, with Chris pushing Brad close but not beating him.

Chris's time trialling ability is underrated.

But, Chris's big problem has been maintaining that consistency and form over long periods, ie. more than a week. Hes been brads domestique for week 1, I think he will drop back now and Lofkvist will step up to be the support guy for Brad for Week 2. think its very likely that Froome has put in everything he could into week 1, with the plan of Lofkvist and Zandio being the domestiques for the latter stages of the race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaHfn7nD34A&sns=em

The Dawg Show from 23 minutes.

Putting a minute into a hack like Valverde.

Competition is weak

Must have a glass of prosecco with Cunego. He must must just shake his head at Froome.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It certainly will be. I'm going to laugh my ass off at the ever more fanciful excuses for the absurd. This is better than the Armstrong years ever were. Reading people attempting to prove Froome was a huge unrealized talent is comedy of the sort we have not seen since Jerry, George, Kramer, and Elaine hung it up.

Not a Curb fan? For shame.



I will say, Froome isn't a totally talentless schmuck. However I have a hard time reconciling the amount of talent genuinely shown before he was sick with the amount of 'talent' now on display. A performance like today's is now standard, expectable performance from Chris Froome. When he broke out at the Vuelta, Brailsford was talking about these numbers that he'd posted that made it unsurprising... but never posted them. Never published them. Bearing in mind these aren't inside information that they would want to keep from opponents such as training plans, aren't easily misrepresentable information that can be used for dope speculation such as blood values etc., but instead relatively concrete information such as power outputs, VO2Max etc., what is there to lose by publishing them? Especially for a team that talks about its transparency and hard anti-doping stance, why not demonstrate how transparent they are by publishing them? After all, if he HAD shown the numbers at Sky to say that he was capable of riding GT winners off his wheel, then people would have been far less open-mouthed in amazement at the cartoonish superman act going on in front of them. Sky only stood to lose in the credibility stakes by not doing so.

18 months on and we're still going over the same fricking points. "Oh he was in the break over the Croix de Fer with Johan van Summeren". "Oh he was sick". "Oh he was going to be signed by Garmin or Lampre so he must have been good". "Oh he didn't know how to handle his bike and once he sorted that out it was inevitable he'd be this good." And it shows no sign of abating, because the guy just rides everyone off his wheel, every race, despite riding in a seemingly inefficient and awkward style, he just has boundless energy. He just can't help himself. He comes across like Johann Mühlegg on a bike. And if I were a Sky fan, that would worry me.

 

[The Hitch]

The posters whose reasoning is 'if a rider doesn't show something special until 23, he is absolutely untalented and desperate' are not less hilarious. Apparently Horner had to quit cycling at 23 or 25, Petacchi too...

Nice of you to choose 2 known dopers.

 

[peloton]

Not a Curb fan? For shame.



I will say, Froome isn't a totally talentless schmuck. However I have a hard time reconciling the amount of talent genuinely shown before he was sick with the amount of 'talent' now on display. A performance like today's is now standard, expectable performance from Chris Froome. When he broke out at the Vuelta, Brailsford was talking about these numbers that he'd posted that made it unsurprising... but never posted them. Never published them. Bearing in mind these aren't inside information that they would want to keep from opponents such as training plans, aren't easily misrepresentable information that can be used for dope speculation such as blood values etc., but instead relatively concrete information such as power outputs, VO2Max etc., what is there to lose by publishing them? Especially for a team that talks about its transparency and hard anti-doping stance, why not demonstrate how transparent they are by publishing them? After all, if he HAD shown the numbers at Sky to say that he was capable of riding GT winners off his wheel, then people would have been far less open-mouthed in amazement at the cartoonish superman act going on in front of them. Sky only stood to lose in the credibility stakes by not doing so.

18 months on and we're still going over the same fricking points. "Oh he was in the break over the Croix de Fer with Johan van Summeren". "Oh he was sick". "Oh he was going to be signed by Garmin or Lampre so he must have been good". "Oh he didn't know how to handle his bike and once he sorted that out it was inevitable he'd be this good." And it shows no sign of abating, because the guy just rides everyone off his wheel, every race, despite riding in a seemingly inefficient and awkward style, he just has boundless energy. He just can't help himself. He comes across like Johann Mühlegg on a bike. And if I were a Sky fan, that would worry me.

As always, great post LS, the bolded part really concerns me too.

 

[Netserk]

Froome has less natural talent than Riis had.

He's the most ridiculous product of doping in cycling's history.

Below zero to more than a 'hero'.

 

[webvan]

Wow, some really scary stuff here...I shudder to think how some of you deal with real life issues!

Anyway, why can't balanced arguments be made here? Last I checked Froome couldn't keep up at Tirreno so it's blatantly false to write that he can ride everyone off his wheel whenever he wants to, it devalues the whole debate.

You guys need to take a break or you're going to make yourselves sick, seriously.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Froomes PR machine

Came across this....anyone know who it is ??

http://froome19.blogspot.pt/2013/01/chris-froome-doping.html

Shraggi Rubenstein Blog on Froome and Sky.

In conclusion I believe it was always evident that Froome had the potential to become a future Tour de France podium finished.

 

[thehog]

Came across this....anyone know who it is ??

http://froome19.blogspot.pt/2013/01/chris-froome-doping.html

Shraggi Rubenstein Blog on Froome and Sky.

It is logical to assume that without those hindrances Chris Froome would have burst onto the scene much earlier than when he in fact did.

Yes very logical

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Wow, some really scary stuff here...I shudder to think how some of you deal with real life issues!

Anyway, why can't balanced arguments be made here? Last I checked Froome couldn't keep up at Tirreno so it's blatantly false to write that he can ride everyone off his wheel whenever he wants to, it devalues the whole debate.

You guys need to take a break or you're going to make yourselves sick, seriously.

rubbish, we survived Armstrong, we will handle a bit of Froome too.

Let the clown have some fun in the sun.

 

[armchairclimber]

Perhaps, as a control experiment, we could arrange for Contador to be infected with Bilharzia. We could then see what effects that disease might have on performance.

I am not a Froome fan, certainly not a SKY fan. I'm open to the possibility that Froome's improvement prior to 2011 may have been in part aided by PEDs. However, I'm also open to the idea that an illness such as Bilharzia would have seriously impacted his performance...especially if undiagnosed and untreated.

He was also, from what I've seen of photos in the pre 2011 period, carrying much more adipose tissue. He looks positively chubby around the chops in a few pictures I've seen.

 

[The Hitch]

Perhaps, as a control experiment, we could arrange for Contador to be infected with Bilharzia. We could then see what effects that disease might have on performance.

I am not a Froome fan, certainly not a SKY fan. I'm open to the possibility that Froome's improvement prior to 2011 may have been in part aided by PEDs. However, I'm also open to the idea that an illness such as Bilharzia would have seriously impacted his performance...especially if undiagnosed and untreated.

He was also, from what I've seen of photos in the pre 2011 period, carrying much more adipose tissue. He looks positively chubby around the chops in a few pictures I've seen.

Your still talking as if froome was just another good rider. Hello. Wake up. Hes heads and shoulders the best rider in the world at the moment.

 

[brilleaben]

Imagine if Doggie has developed just a normal aero position for tomorrow. Everybody will finish outside the time limit.